Musharraf's Resignation and Beyond

Masadi,
I could not agree more. Musharraf mentioned NS for this very reason in his speech. I have a feeling that the game began very long ago through a slanderous campaign to malign BB for Zardari's doings.

Re: # 130

Ijaz Gul Sahib

{Its just three months that I shifted the manufacturing from Gujranwala to China.}

What was the journey like? I know quite a few business groups from Karachi who have made the decision to call quits and moved their business to China or Dubai. What will make u guys come back?

Contrary to what Ahmad sahib is saying, there were no grassroots or better organization by the PPP that allowed them victory. It was political deal making with the military/US, manipulation and rigging and the establishment butchering of BB that drove Zardari to power. And like I had said getting rid of Musharraf was a smokescreen to not restore the judges. What Zardari is doing right now proves what I have been saying all along. Musharraf was "sacrificed" by the establishment US to get NS to back off, let us see where this leads to...

Bubba,
You have a very valid point about defang.

Zeemax,
My views have been consistent and can be verified from my essays, interacts, ilogs and UP. In my essay on the army, which came under flak from HP and some called me an apologist, I laid out the conclusions. It was not my job to tell you what to do as a Pakistani. Now read that essay once again and it will make sense. In the meanwhile,let me enjoy my ganderis before they become cost prohibitive.

Hamid,
Sad to know about your Rs.$ Parity. It happened to me too.
I exchanged a few thousand dollars and put them in Bank, but the Rs lost its value. My company won a tender that I cannot execute because the Rs has plummetted and the facilitation fees tripelled. So its better, I loose 2% earnest money. Its just three months that I shifted the manufacturing from Gujranwala to China. Thanx God I made one right decision.

We are into the most interesting times.

Re: # 128

bubba Jee

There is nothing wrong in being a Punjabi, problem arises when people like NS exploit their numbers by blackmailing and coercing others. GONGLU (NS) refused to play politics of mutual respect and was intent upon revenge, now that they have achieved their narrow objective they have nothing to offer. Give some time to the people of Pakistan, they will jettison this bag of trash back to where it came from.

Re: # 123 Posted by rf786 on August 24, 2008 10:24:24 am

rf sahib,

[Pakistan Khappay ya naa khappay.] for me, pakistan khappay, provided punjabiat totally defanged.

Re: # 122 Posted by hamidm2 on August 24, 2008 10:18:32 am

hamid mian,

[.. soon i will have a houseful of nieces and nephews ..]

so your tribe is coming? wow, we will have more voters for the republicans.

#124 Posted by ijaz_gul,

Sir, Tusi sau chittar wi maro tey hazir. But you never said what should a Pakistani do?

hamidm (#65),

I am not sure if I agree. Iraqi liberation has been extremely painful so far and there is little reason to think that sustainable improvement will come about in the foreseeable future. The execution of the war was just as competent as the justification leading up to the war. Do you really think this will bring about democracy in the Arab land? Yes, a few Arab leaders have abandoned nuclear plans … but how long can this situation be sustained? Things in Iraq have measurably deteriorated … but without much likelihood of improvement. Is this model of democracy supposed to be inspiring for the unwashed masses??

On the other hand, if Iraq invasion is justifiable, then so is the invasion of Pakistan and Iran. So while I disagree with you, I do think your reasoning is consistent.

tahmed, on the other hand, has switched positions more frequently than Bernanke on the economy. Sahib recently admitted that the US invaded the wrong country … while insisting that he still supports his article in favor of the war. Go figure!!

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tahmed, there is a fundamental flaw in your comparison of Iraq with Japan and Germany.

In the case of Japan and Germany, there was clear aggression against the world by these two nations. There was consensus in the world about who needs to be punished, and why. Furthermore, very importantly, Japan and Germany were entities with well-defined boundaries. On the other hand aggression by Iraq/Saddam does not come close to what Japan and Germany were up to during WWII. Furthermore, militant Islam is not a single country that may be easily invaded and defeated. It has a diffused existence in pockets here and there spreading from Turkey to Philippines and then some.

Let us know when you finally figure out … if US invaded the right country or the wrong country. You can always flip a coin .,. you know …

Zeemax,
when I kept reminding you all never paid any attention.
Hun 100 rupay kilo ganderi choopo!

Re: # 118

bamidm2

I am afraid your decent banker gave you very poor advise, many bankers that I know of had advised the opposite.

Pakistan needs stability desperately, assuming this government finds some legs then funds will flow back. I have said this b4 on this forum, Pakistan still has friends but their patience is waning and these friends can make a BIG difference provided there interest and principle is protected.

I agree with Zee, short term can bring a lot of uncertainty but I disagree on the long term. The Leader of Punjab (NS) has played a very dangerous game and is pushing the country to the brink of asking the ultimate question, Pakistan Khappay ya naa khappay.

Re: # 121

zeemax,

..... to give you an idea of how bad things are, people who have scoffed and rejected the idea of leaving the country for thirty years are now regretting their decision and encouraging their children to leave ...... soon i will have a houseful of nieces and nephews ......

#119 Posted by tahmed32,

Yes tahmed, I know your position. But as you know, I have my position. That the Pakistani Taliban (the original ones) are neither blowing up schools nor want to carve out a piece of pakistan. It's been 5 years. Many new elements have joined under the same banner. Much more complicated than before.

Anyway, I'm a dejected person today. I see more mayhem in the short term (in the long run will be OK) and there'll be plenty of unnecessary bloodletting. Totally avoidable.

#118 Posted by hamidm2,

Actally your banker gave you good advice. I had been advising the same, BUT I had also advised (free) my wealthy investor friends to switch to Dollars as soon as Ruppee hits 67 (it was 65 then), because after that it will go to 75. As it happened it went to 77. They made a bundle.

So you should have consulted me.

zeemax #117 one of musharraf's most damaging things to Pakistan has been his strategy of fomenting anti-US feelings in Pakistan by implying that the US was wrong in trying to prevent future 9/11s by going after the perpetrators. he then used these anti-US feelings to turn around and paint himself as the "indispensable ally" of the US, given this anti-US feeling.

I know you dont see things this way - and that is because you for some reason continue to assume that these are "fellow muslims", even as these "fellow muslims" burn down girls schools and seek to carve out a piece of Pakistan for themselves. One day perhaps you will understand they are no different than Zardari in exploiting people's emotions towards Islam for personal gain. And one day perhaps, the truly dirty game Musharraf played as per the para. above will become clear to people in Pakistan.