Musharraf's Resignation and Beyond

Re: # 240

zeemax,

.... who knows how many women were buried alive while the droopy eyed judge slept on the bench ....... read bulleya's post on the judiciary below - after all these years captain clueless is beginning to make some sense ........ there is hope for all of us ...

..... if you remember, you and i were both rooting for nawaz sharif before the election ...... to be honest, i did not have any deep rooted philosophical reason but being a rather superficial person i just thought that zardari, with his badmash moustache and reputation of tying bombs to people's legs, looked like a bigger crook than nawaz and i had also heard that brother shahbaz was a pretty good manager .....

..... now, being a pragmatist i have switched my support to zardari until the next saviour comes along .......


zardari zindabad !

ijaz gul: you never responded to my question on why the Rule of Law is so meaningless to you.

#241 Posted by ijaz_gul,

I just challenged you on facts, not on your individual interpretation. You couldn't answer my questions.

Everyone has opinions. I wasn't talking about those. But thanks for a good debate :)

#239 Posted by bulleya,

At-least you should have got the name right. It's Saeduzzaman Siddiqui, and not Saleemuzzaman Siddiqui.

The rest of your post is uninformed as usual, fed by print media character-assassination. You are strong on ideas but not on linking actual events into meaningful analysis.

#239
"ifitikhar took a stand against musharraf"
oh my goodness!! i never would have guessed!!

"then iftikhar was removed by musharraf"??

now i know where to get the latest news from. field marshall romair's dispatches to chowk!

"......dogar is the current cj"

Goddam!!

"even aitezaz ahsan is confused......"

obviously, he never graduated from the University of Kakul, nursery for future einsteins!!

President Romair Zindabad!!
Vice-President Hamidm Lota Paindabad!!

Re: # 227
Zeemax,
It was NS the Lamb versus Zardari the Fox. In the final analysis NS is outfoxed by Zardari. In the politics of realism and practicalism, there is no space for emotions and sometimes even morals. The law of fishes applies.

aab to haqiqat wazay hai. Arguements ka kiya faida. Mera bhi dil khrab hua magar kiya kareiN, Jab chityaiN ChugH gaiN Khaith.

tahmed32,

Can you ask hamidm2 that recently 5 women were buried alive in rural Sind, and no one to question the local police. Could this have happened when the droopy eyed CJ was in office?

...the story of pakistan's judiciary, makes interesting and strange reading.......chief justices seem to pick and chose when to have courage and when not to......

......nawaz sharif stormed the supreme court of cj sajjad shah, physically....he used another supreme court judge named tarar to split the supreme court and vote out its own sitting cj.....tarar - a totally unknown guy - would go on to become the president under nawaz sharif......

the set of judges who voted out their cj sajjad included a judge named saleem-uz-zaman siddiqui.....this guy eventually became the chief justice.....

saleem's court would, later, be dismissed by musharraf......however, saleem (and five other judges) refused to accept musharraf, and resigned on a matter of principal (interestingly, saleem had dismissed sajjad earlier as his own cj).....

the group that did take an oath under musharraf included a guy named iftikhar chaudhry.....he endorsed musharraf's coup and even gave him the authority to modify the constitution!!.......

.......a few years later, iftikhar grew some balls, and took a stand against musharraf (interestingly, he had earlier taken an oath under musharraf, which had resulted in the removal of his cj saleem......saleem had earlier assisted in removing his own cj sajjad).......

....then iftikhar was removed by musharraf, with the assistance of justice dogar, who became the latest addition in the list of judges who assisted in removing their own cj (iftikhar in this case, who had assisted in removing saleem who had assisted in removing sajjad)......

.......now iftikhar is in abeyance trying to become the cj again......dogar is the current cj.......and saleem is nawaz's candidate for president......while nawaz, after storming the supreme court and dismissing sajjad, is the flag carrier of an independent judiciary.......

based on this history, at some point dogar is going to grow some balls and will take a stance against the sitting govt.....after which he will be removed by one of his own justices, who will then become the cj.......

during this whole time, only two guys have been consistent.....musharraf and zardari....musharraf has removed every judiciary he did not like......and zardari has tried to avoid every judiciary which he felt would hold him accountable for his corruption.......

.....the cj's and nawaz have switched priorities as and when needed......

even aitezaz ahsan is confused......he is the voice of the lawyer's movement and is trying to restore iftikhar......at the same time, he recently voted for zardari as the ppp's candidate for president.......even though zardari is the only force which is standing in the lawyer's way in restoring iftikhar......

if this wasn't strange enough.......cj iftikhar's current spokesperson, lawyer athar minallah was, originally in musharraf's first cabinet!!......

..and Easily-mistaken-for-a-gora Hamidm for the Field Marshall's Veep!!

Bulleya for President!!

Outstanding student of KnowledgeCity, Kakul!!

hamidm mian: ....i will have to agree with you.....a crook has been defeated by a bigger crook....(though long term victory may go to the smaller crook)

....anyone looking towards zardari and nawaz as the solutions to pakistan's problems is being extremely naive....they are the problems to pakistan's solutions....

.....after eight years of musharraf, we are almost exactly at the same place......now once the ppp lotas of pml-q join ppp and the pml lotas of pml-q join pml-n, we will be back to square one......

......everyone is in it, together......two days ago, gilani met with pir pogaro to get the votes of his faction of pml, i.e. pml-f, for zardari......

for those who don't know, pir pogaro is the chief pir in the hierarchy of pirs in pakistan.....he is in pml, thus in opposition to ppp, in general......however, his grand-daughter recently got married to gilani's son.....

ppp, pml, military and maulvis all need to be erased from pakistani politics.......unfortunately, these are the only guys in pakistani politics......

so one has to pick and chose the lesser evil at that particular point in history......i think you are starting to realize this also.......i have been saying this since musharraf's coup.......

......for the first three years of musharraf's coup, the army under musharraf was easily the lesser evil......after these three years, things started balancing out, and by the end of the next three years, musharraf and army had risen to the level of ppp, pml and maulvis in term of evil-ness.....then in the last two years of musharraf, he became the bigger evil, in comparison to ppp, pml, and maulvis.....

hence ppp and pml became a better choice, being the lesser evils......amongst these four evils at the moment, one would have to say nawaz is the least of the evils.......hence people will flock to him, now.......

this doesn't change the fact that at the time of the coup, nawaz was, easily the biggest evil......

one has to feel for the maulvis though....they have not had power, yet remain a part of this evil four......may be it is time to try them out, in the center......

#233 please dont disturb Hamidm while he is demonstrating how a lota can spin on a dime.

hamidm: "droopy eyed", "fat fool".

is there anyone at all (other than "hosni musharraf", who has gracefully stepped down from power despite nation-wide protests calling for him to please stay in his wardi as president)who comes up to your exacting standards?

Re: # 231; hamidm sahib
[[prince asif zindabad]]

are you sure you are not short changing His Royal Highness? (?Majesty)

I thought it was King Asif the first (I) or something

zeemax,

..... there is no point in making excuses for the fat fool - the fact that he lost is proof enough for me that he is no match for zardari .......the better crook has won (for now)... he has been beat up and hung out to dry by a prince who read the right book instead of wasting his time on the koran and hadith ...... if you remember, machiavelli was his father-in-law's idol ........ the man has learned well

prince zardari zindabad !

bathing in milk

.... i can't believe you guys are talking about the fat fool of gowalmandi as if he has been bathing in milk sans jalebi...... he is just another crook who was beaten by a bigger crook ...... now he will do anything - including digging up his dead father and selling him to mayo hispital - to save his government in punjab ....... zardari can also throw him a bone for his nihari by letting him run in a by-election ......... hopefully he will be content with chewing on his bone and wait for the next elections to make his move ......... the unwashed masses will soon be baying for zardari's blood, not because he is any worse than the other knaves and thieves, but because the unwashed masses suffer from short attention span in addition to bad body odor ........ it is also very possible that he will die a violent death like his relatives ...........

........ the fat fool just has to be patient and wait his turn - he will be king of this heap of cow dung soon enough ......... in the mean time he needs to do something about redecorating the raiwind palace ... maybe he should take a cue from his brother and excahnge his dumpy wife for someone with better aesthetic sense ..........


prince asif zindabad !