Faith and Religion

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Instead of getting into Us Vs them, whole purpose of this project is to capture historical progress of this disease which associates human to their mind and body. The purpose is to save the kids from destruction because of hate. Our literary work needs to be judged on

1. Raising of human consciousness
2. Truthfulness
3 Healthy tastiness.

There is selfish interest of this gawar yours truly turning into literary type like you guys with your help.

So now would you please write the first scene where this weak mind Sahaj Ram enjoying his illgotten wealth with hukka panni. Pinkuji yuu are so good in Shero Sahyari so you could write about the gazals he listening with hukka pani with a Kashmiri Saki.

I can devote only 15-30 min for this project.

Pinkuji, Ladduji & Sanatani,

You guys are very literary types. I was going to stop visiting this site but then a good idea hit upon me. I was thinking if we can create a script of a movie which will throw light on historical progress of converts and their attitude of hating every thing local. I hope you guys understand. The way will do it is utmost love and with witness attitude.

for example:

"Iqbal's grandfather Shaikh Rafiq, was a Kashmiri Pandit named Sahaj Ram Sapru before his conversion to Islam and was a revenue collector. According to Dr R.K. Parimu, the author of “History of Muslim Rule in Kashmir" and Ram Nath Kak's book Autumn Leaves, Shaikh Rafiq had embezzeled state funds, and when his guilt was established, the Afghan governor, Azim Khan, gave him the choice of death or conversion to Islam. Sahaj Ram Sapru chose life, and assuming new names, he and his family moved to Sialkot in the Panjab."

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Happy Ganesh Chatturthi! We develop his Sakshi/Witness mentality and not get attached to mind, present and past minds and its thoughts/ideaologies and physical body. But do develop your six pack abs.

Stormy,

Used first time bear arm at age 12 for hunt of wild-bore. Recently even my teen kids got into this even though started as vegetarian. Personally I feel they should make a point of eating non-veg when they hunt and fish themselves. Let the Jeeva play/fight with you. When you eat later every cell of yours will thank that Jeeva for creating the nourishing brawn and bones.

Hamare BapJadone ehi kya ie biz of arms and farms, though they were small Rajas. Moreover, all our gods and goddesses bear arms besides vedas.

I would rather say there should have been compulsory draft to discipline, develop community feeling and patriotism in India. A draft of three armed services one year of community service of Gandhi/Savarkar type to remove castecism, corruption, nepotism, bringing Shantic and Paulian folks into main stream so that they will revere the local culture, language and history, and abolishing divisive relegion-ous ideology.

satya100,

please don't bear arms. You may end up shooting yourselves :(
with much respect,
thinking storm

Bear arm and kill to defend oneself, ones way of life and organizing as qa group is necessary to defend Dharma/Dhamma/Jaina. Nonviolence means also stop if necessary with physical harm violence of others. Dharma seeks balance which was some what lost in past few hundred years.

Murarilal G,

You claim that you are so progressive non-practicing Shantic ie Islamic gentle-man. Would you please change your name to show where you come from and celebrate the local culture, history and pride to

Murarilal Lakhanpurkar.


Someone here said you are married to a Hindu lady. Then would you please share names of your kids. Do they carry Indic names?

You are a hypocrite G unless you change your and your kids names to Sanskrit based names as most of the Indian do. If you do not like Sanskrit then pl take names such as Dhondya or Pandya.

Pinkuji/Ladduji/Sanatani/NKG I am done with G, you please take over.

Murarilal Lakhanpurkar G,

"I had raised the question of how the gentle and inclusive concepts of evolving Hinduism had become equally fanatic and exclusive."

Tum Sudhroge Nahi. Tum Durbari G-giri chodoge Nahin. Why Dont you mention cold blooded murder of unarmed 85 year old swami and 70+ old swamini by Paulian/Popian/Christian, which was the cause of unrest in Orissa. Tum meaningless English bahot fekta Hain. What do you mean by inclusive? What do you mean by gentle? When last time Dharmic Prithwiraj was gentle, hot iron rods were put in his eyes, his children became male slaves/prostitutes and his wife became a randi.

That gentleness is Adharmic. It was the wrong influence of Boudha and Jaina on Hinduism. India which was a leading country because of its ideas, maths, science and technology became in 1K years a popper with less than 1% world GDP. Please do not underestimate your audience. Even Ukrainan and Russian kids are knowing the fact what happened to India, Iran and central Asia after Islam and Christianity spread.

In western China Xinjiang there is a city called Kashi, even Phillipines was a Hindu/Dharmic country. Today dharma of purified form is Hinduism and it is restricted to 1/10th of what it used to be in terms of area and probably in population as well. Hindu Dharma is successfully thwarting devilish forces of Abrahmic religions such as Islam and Christianity.

"Because Im sure you will agree that the extremism of the Bajrang Dal or VHP as evident in the slaughter of Christians in Orissa today are a very far cry from the idea of Dharma."

Innocents should not be hurt. But ask your self what will you do find the real culprit. The real culprit is your audience in the west who fund the arms such as AK47s which were used to murder the Swami and four others. You G never condemns these murders. Since you do not and high light the Hindu reaction so that more funds are sent to Christians from west to convert to divide and rule, your hands are red with Swami and other Hindu blood.

Re: # 96

The Sufis were an old pre Islamic Persian sect that only believed in a supreme cosmic creator and shunned all posessions. They much later were identified with Islam. The orthodox Muslims considered them as heretics.

Satya100, Pinku and others are correct about the `Abrahamic' context of `Religion' on which I have written in Chowk two months ago (One God religions of Revelation)and I agree that it was their rigid absolutism regarding their so called scriptures that led to so much anger and hatred to all other beliefs. I had raised the question of how the gentle and inclusive concepts of evolving Hinduism had become equally fanatic and exclusive. Because Im sure you will agree that the extremism of the Bajrang Dal or VHP as evident in the slaughter of Christians in Orissa today are a very far cry from the idea of Dharma.

Murad

Dharma is very different from Abrahmic concept called religion. Religions are basically armed legions to enslave and subjugate "other" people. They grab other people's land, rape women and plunder their wealth.

Dharma starts when the mind is dropped. Book is mind creation. Abrahmic religions including Marxism put Burkha of the book over the real ugly above mentioned real body of re-legions. Dharma is spontaneous... happens in pure awareness of Samadhi.

I guess this spontaneity in the DNA of Dharmic people is making them adapt to the new situation better and also be creative to mold the perceived reality. This is what is going to make sure that Dharma will lead in the form of growth in coutries such as India, China, Japan, Vietnam & Korea, and as life style of Yoga & Meditation in the west.
End of Religion is visible. Thank Allaha, Abrahma or whatever world is finally being cured of Abrahmatis.

Murad
I am with you too.
“Religion� is belief in a dogmatic system of Church and as such it divides humanity in niches and its operatives the Clergy are Elitist. Exact opposite to brotherhood of mankind! That is why, for example the sisters are kept in the Hood in most of the religions.
A paradigm shift is required in the concept of 'righteous act' to extract it from the clutches of the Generic Church (the mother-church) and into the wider field of common good for mankind.
But then if that were to happen, millions of priests and the religious brigade will be out of job and unemployed.
Perish the thought for economy stability!
Rashid

This is the Nehruvian line. All religions are equally bad. Scum, murderous, doctorines like Islam, Judaism, Marxism, Christianity etc. are not religions they are unlike Santan Dharam political philosophies.

Sanatani

#85 Posted by Eklavya,

Thanks a million. I am assuming you would not be too busy.

It appears Murad Bhai is indeed too busy setting up Bio-Energy Plants to answer your two questions, though has plenty of time on hands to write a whole series of wordy nonsense.

#92 Posted by muradbaig on
Murad,
You lost the remaining credibility in my eyes. With those statements and this land of sophie thing, my original statements since ever that you write for hurt ego of Islam and not based on facts seems more true than ever. With your kind of history people will develop distorted vision. If there is chance that something is almost obviously a historical lie or weighs 1 in comparison to 1000 for another idea on scale of possible or known truth, you will refer to that weighs-1 thing if it supports your ego. I originally stated that I consider all historians and writers who write biased history or who promote biased history as mere clerks. Christianity and Islam both produced them (by buying third rated historians or simply creating fake names) in much greater numbers than anybody else.

I tried googling 'The Land of the Great Sophie' and the name "Sir Roger Stephens", i couldn't get the former from my reliable sources for such articles.

You can now understand what you focus on and how you pick your stories. When I say Indians/Hindus Brahmins were considerd the wisest men on earth by Greeks since much before Alexandar, you know how many resources point to that and how credible.

Once your mind knows truth your all false projections or beliefs represent fight against your own mind. A fight of your own ego. And I know that for both Hinduism and India you know how good they were compared to the rest especially Islam and Arabs.

I am about to buy that book RajatRangini and will tell you what is there and what you have told your readers. For all history of Kashmir, all you were able to portray was that Hindus killed Buddhists?? There were Huns who killed Buddhists. You didn't mention how peacefully Buddhists Brahmins and Shaivite Brahmins debated with ech other to lure common people. You didn't mention to people that both of them acted to become dominant based on their philosophy and wisdom. Nor how initially Shaivite lost debates and how with Patanjali Shavites eventually won people back.

Your inferences are overly biased and you give distorted conclusions where weight of 1 can be shown to exceed weight of 1000. Further you never mention explicitly what carries weight of 1 and what carries weight of 1000. You seem to be doing it deliberately so that wrong impressions can be created. The first and most important aspect of a historical writng or anything mentioning facts is to make its reader aware of how things weigh on scale of reliability, facts and others, what his own opinion is and why. Mere stating somebody's words is creating illusion. You are deceiving people if you don't tell them how you weigh different opinion and how other people weighed them.Even when asked a question, you will not say anything that can give reader the right perspective with respect to facts.

Please take your time, Murad bhai. Have a safe journey.

Pinku, Murad bhai seems to be indicating that Sufis are not Muslims, but are instead sophists, specializing in sophistry. That would tally with what we know.

But let us wait for his safe return from his travels.

Murarilal G,

If paid Durbari G from Allexander's court or Shahajahan's court writes, how does it become truth?

Tum Murd ho to show us if you can change your name to celebrate your localness? Please scan and post your new biz card with right name ie Murarilal Lakhanpurkar.

Otherwise you are yet another khali G who has nothing to offer to India. 240 people sacrificed their life in Mumbai when Naval mutiny happened in 1946. No Inidan media and Doon/JNU written history will never acknowledge this sacrifice. Similarly recent killing of 85 year old saint and four others with AK47.

Indians wake up from your slumber. Focus on economic welfare but reclaim your freedom and democracy. With todays technology we can have direct democracy we do not need representative democracy with Doon/JNU Gs controlling the media and the parliament. Kangress need to be banned first before SIMI.