US Commando Strike in Waziristan

#44 Posted by naeemchaudry on September 5, 2008 9:11:08 am
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ALL OF YOU OUT THERE IN THE WESTERN WORLD .... REMEMBER THAT DAY IS NOT VERY FAR OFF WHEN WE WILL HAVE A LEADER OF THE LIKE OF IMAM KHOMEINI .....

Bhai,
Pehlay Zardari tau hazzam kar lainay dau yaar, phir Khomeni ki baat bhi kar lain gay, zara time lagta hai in cheezo peh.

re:46 & re:51
I think Naeem is being Sarcastic.

Regards,

Faruk

It is exactly the kind of verbal excretions we see from the poster at #44 that have taken Pakistan to where it is now. One still remembers in the 60s Pakistan was considered a westernised country much more as compared to India, one has graphic memories of an article in The National Geographic where West Pakistanis were projected as sophisticated and prosperous( as for India, only poverty was publicised by the Western media) what with one of the photographs showing a Karachi family gathering around a Western style buffet table laid out with goodies. May be the PR was good, yet the image was there, buttressed by cosy relations with the Americans and all. In contrast, today the name Pakistan evokes images of backwardness, Islamic fundamentalism, poverty, illiteracy, military dictatorships, nuclear black market, honour killings,export of terrorism, the list of negatives is endless, hardly anything positive. It evokes hate in such Muslim countries as Algeria as it is blamed for exporting terrorists and terrorism to that country and distrust in most of the world.
Our friend has proclaimed Pakistan is a nuclear power and awaiting the arrival of the next Caliph who will teach the Americans a lesson. As for the Pakistanis being in possession of a nuclear bomb there is no need to publicise it , the poster may note, it is already permanently in the sights of Pentagon. The more the likes of this poster brag, closer appears the Dooms Day for Pakistan and its much revered nuclear capability.
What is apparently required is debrainwashing so that all the lies that they have been fed over the last six decades are erased and the Pakistanis start seeing the world more objectively. It is sad that so many Pakistanis themselves are talking about the possible break-up of their country. It is really time to look back at the past 60 years and see how from the ill advised aggression of Kashmir in 1948 and the assasination of LAK in 1951 things have just been getting worse for the Pakistani nation (a misnomer here, for Pakistan has really been unable to metamorphose itself into a nation state).
As for the outbursts of the Pakistani Foreign Minister against the American transborder raid, take it easy , Pal, you lost your sovereignty way back in the 80's when Zia ul Haque (one wonders why can't Pakistan be a normal state where elected representatives decide what is good for the country and not some broad chested buffoon in Khakis)decided to lay bare all of Pakistan to Americans and all kinds of terrorists from the wide world of Islam in their war in Afghanistan, welcomed and even invited the Afghan refugees(some 2 million are unwilling to go back, one is told).
Very difficult to find something gladdening to write, sadly.

Tahmed32:

Getting bombed back to the stone age is a well known reason for Pakistan's U-turn and becoming a "partner" in the War on Terror.

Naeemchaudary,
If you are such as "Nuclear Power" then why didn't you explode "da bum" during Kargil? Why was India able to shove you back to the other side of the LoC inspite of you having the vantage positions in the hills?

hamidm:

"the way i see it, this is a great opportunity for pakistan to work with the america and the rest of the civilized world in getting rid of islamic fundamentalists (including jihadis and 'harmless' madrassa students) once and for all ..... "

be careful for what you wish for. If the islamic fundamentalists and madrass students are neutralized once and for all, then who fight fight the "occupying" horrible hindu forces in Kashmir?

And how will you enjoy Merlot relaxing in a shikara on the Dal Lake?

#40 majumdar bhai: rest assured afghans are not 10 feet tall. as for history - every dog has his day. The russians, arabs, turks, persians, romans, greeks, british, french, germans, japanese, chinese, sikhs, hindus, mongols vietnamese..the list goes on... can all lay claim if they wanted to have having given bloody noses at one time or another to equally strong, if not far stronger, opponents than the afghans.

So dont fall into the same trap as romair of repeating what you heard without thinking.

Re: # 44

naeem mian,

..... can you tell me what pakistan is going to do with nuclear weapons - drop them on new york? .... how will they get them there - on pia? ...... pakistan's nuclear assets can be neutralized in a matter of hours if it comes to that, so please stop spouting nonsense ........our bomb are only good for keeping the primitive horrible hindoos in check ....... if you don't remember there wer other 'nuclear powers' like n. korea, kazakistan, ukraine, south africa and libya that have been neutralized ..... it took one bombing missioin to bring gaddafi to his senses ..... the ayatollahs are next

..... the way i see it, this is a great opportunity for pakistan to work with the america and the rest of the civilized world in getting rid of islamic fundamentalists (including jihadis and 'harmless' madrassa students) once and for all ..... and from the looks of it, it seems that zardari has already agreed to do this ..... the only thing pakistan is going to do is call in the us ambassador for chai and samosas and 'protest' every now and then ...... it is the right strategy because the unwashed masses don't know what is good for them ......

A dose of reality amidst the general harping in Pakistan, and by someone who actually knows what he is talking about:

But in the midst of the general rhetorical fervour in the two houses of parliament, some took courage to differ, like Senator Abdul Rahim Mandokhel of the Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party who said it were foreign militants, including Arabs, Uzbeks and Chechen, who had captured Pakistani territory and compromised the country’s sovereignty which “the government cannot defend� and accused unspecified politicians of conniving with them by not speaking against them.

http://www.dawn.com/2008/09/05/top1.htm

We the Pakistanis would like to remind all that we are neither IRAQIS nor AFGHANIS (No Offence meant or intended) becuase we are a Nuclear Power. Any escalation could lead to disastaous results for the yankees!!!
Taliban are and have always been the trump card for the Pakistani nation....
Just imagine what would happen to the American and the Allied forces if we stop containing them in Pakistani territory.
Just imagine the day when the Pakistani nation gets a leader who would refuse to bow to american pressure and
ALL OF YOU OUT THERE IN THE WESTERN WORLD .... REMEMBER THAT DAY IS NOT VERY FAR OFF WHEN WE WILL HAVE A LEADER OF THE LIKE OF IMAM KHOMEINI .....

see - the "good" thing about pakis is that they still love their lives more than they hate the kaffirs... not like the bedouins... On pain of death and destruction - you can make paki see the error of his ways... a bedouin never sees the error of his ways, he is incorrigible...

So an all out attack in pakiland will work wonders - that's the first thing US should have done... Powell, in fact, was ready to do that - but Mushy GUBOed up and "saved" pakis from the wrath of the niggah...

or may be just delayed the inevitable... Because Obama is a very different niggah altogether :)

Re: # 41
[...This does not necessarily mean that the Nato forces will attack Pakistan; that would be disastrous for them and a sure way to talebanise Pakistan...]

Nah, not at all... if nato forces take out pakiland establishment just the way they did with saddam - everything will work out... because, it's paki army that sustains taliban and all sorts of other islamic riff-raff

Pakiland is not a bedouin land, depsite what pakis think and try to be... these are pakis, you hit them hard they will fall in line...

I have never seen such a consensus among western countries as it does now with respect to Pakistan and Afghanistan ; it was not there for Iraq, not for Iran, not for Vietnam, nor for Cuba, nor for China. The only other recent case was that for action in Bosnia and Serbia.

This does not necessarily mean that the Nato forces will attack Pakistan; that would be disastrous for them and a sure way to talebanise Pakistan. They also cannot jeopardise the logistic support provided by Pakistan.

While Musharraf was adept at running with the hare and hunting with the hounds, he also created a trust deficit for Pakistan which is his legacy for Zardari and Kayani.

And let's not forget, Taleban are still not without their supporters in the Pakistani establishment; the likes of Shireen Mazari are still alive and kicking.

The way ahead is too murky for any kind of predictions; all one can say is that it's a new ballgame now: aagay aagay dekhiye hota hai kya?

Tahmed sahib,

Afghans may scare the wits out of you Conquerors of Your Own Civilian Governments.

They do scare the wits out of us Hindoos. Besides they have given a bloody nose to every foreigner who has tried to capture them- Mughals, Sikhs, Persians, Brits, Russians. Why do you think USA would be any different?

Regards

Re: # 29

{go back to using khuda hafiz instead of allah hafiz ..}
changing to allah hafiz is a profitable business for the crooked leadership.

If the Americans, with an official military presence, have not been able to contain the Taliban of Afghanistan, then why do they think that these sting operations would do any permanent damage to the Pakistani Taliban? If killing everyone was the intention then why cart in soldiers, instead of a predator attack? The reason obviously was to create a headline, because predator attacks are somewhat "becoming the norm".

But this attack comes at a time when Pak Army is dealing decisive blows to the Taliban in Bajur and Swat. It also comes at a time when common people in Swat and Bajur are rising up against the Taliban. At such a time it is attacks like these that provide the Taliban with the ideological and moral sustenance that they so desperately need right now, and the Americans it seems are more than happy to provide that.

HP's #16 provides a valid explanation behind this madness, and that is the upcoming US elections. which is completely crazy, and shows the level of commitment and sincerity that the US leadership has with its "effort" in Afghanistan.