The God Delusion

Re: # 189
DM...
Hamid is correct.. at least the second para... those who are studying that subject (mo's revealitions) throughout their life and and teaching the same, should be trated as more authentic than any other person. The behaviour of islamic experts (in regard to hate speach, immoral activties...) accross the globe is same. So, you can not bring social influence etc... here....
If Imams/Hazis in Britan, Egypt, USA, Pakistan and India explain mo's revealition in such a way that it looks nothing but a gangsters manual with cooked up stories, linked with Bible etc... how can you discard all of them as wrong interpretation? Can you claim that Islam got changed in it's birthplace- arab land? At least, here is no historic reason (like large scale migration etc...) behind it. How is islam is practised in arab land?....


We know the problem of mixed creatures like masadi, tahmed and other Pakistanis, specialy those who got some decent education or know something outside Islam....Neither can they condemn 6th century beduinism (centuries of identity as arab slave) nor can they adopt it (knowing fully well that, it is very much destructive and can not survive with it)...

The only way left is deception.....

#187 Posted by hamidm2
Gypsies are the people who left north western India (that time including Pakistan) to save themselves from killings and conversions. Practically, they mark the time when things were most difficult for people living in those areas.

The other part is conversion of Rajputs to Bhangis. Islam really helped India to evolve into much worse society.

Re #188 Posted by hamidm2 on,
I gave same reasoning. Reason wise, I think everybody understands how hollow "muslim hijack islam" kind of statement is. But as you know a muslim is supposed to be loyal to Islam and Kuran and not to logic or even to humanity, so argument is optional and mostly redundant for them.


I also explained to quin how the other dimension stupidly mentioned by an extremely intelligent and educated lady of religions (somebody called Armstrong and not headstrong) gets better support from science/philosophy/psychology, and how they are religion of future and they can discard their current ones. But as you know all those arguments are redundnt for army of pope, mullahs and religions.

Also, the difference between theism without religion and theism with religion should have been quite clear to people who run after atheism, but again everything is an option when you are working for your EGO.


So while love is dissolving your ego for soething else, what muslim do is dissolve their intellect for Islam, they expand their ego to protect Islam.

The question is why? Answer is inferiority complex.


OK here is another stupid question?
WHY HINDU PRIESTS DO NOT TEACH SAME JIHAD or"us vs them" kind of philosophy to Hindus. Why their mandirs are not giving lectures to how they should get rid of non-believers or muslims? WHy they have not been able to hijack Hinduism for last 4000 years (when Temur lung, Ghori or Aurangjeb killed them, or even when they just ruled them?).

Mullahs in Saudi Arabia, know 10 times more arabic than most in Pakistan and elsewhere and they understand what is written in Kuran, they know it since it was written.

How much a religion can be exploited does depend to a great extent on that religion itself. And that is why all religions are not exploited in diffeent ways. You get Islamic warriors from Islam and Dakhshina taking Brahminsfro Hinduism.

But in any case congratulations to you guys for at least thinking in right direction (that something needs to be done to eliminate terrorism) and further to arrive at some solution (whatever it is). Rest will evolve over time.

dost mittar sahib #189: Thanks. Hamidm is becoming lazy in his old age and simply posting re-runs. :-(

#188 hamidm:
You have every right to contradict me.
You have the right to contradict common sense.
You have even the right to contradict today what you said yesterday.

But..(drum roll, cries of "Allah o Akbar")..you have no right to contradict yourself in the same very post!

Thus, I reject your post #188 as negating itself through self-contradiction. i.e. you start with "i have not surrendered islam to the mullahs" and then proceed to detail your unconditional surrender to the mullahs the right to define Islam.

hamidm#188:

Will this comedy ever end? you keep asking the same question and, by now, even I know what tahmed's saheb answer would be.

BTW, I am sure others have suggested that alif-lam-meem mean ilm or knowledge. Why is this not acceptable? [it could also be the arabic version of AUM [this is to please laddu bhai :) ].

Re: # 179

tahmed,

.... i have not surrendered islam to the mullahs, i am waiting for you to complete your version of islam ......

..... look, this is a silly argument that the mullahs don't speak for islam - they are the 'experts' in this field and if they don't, then who does ?...... most of the ummah cannot read in their own language - leave alone arabic - so how can they speak for islam or anything else ...... the mantra that islam has been hijacked by the mullahs is nothing but a hollow slogan riased by well meaning, but clueless, people like you ...... most muslims take their cue from the ulema and since most of them are illiterate and ignorant they tend to follw them blindly ...... unlike most of the catholics who listen to what the man in the silly hat and frock has to say but then use their own common sense and judgement ......

.... so lets see what you have to offer and then we will talk .... till then the mullahs rule

masadi mian,

..... when i was growing up my mother used to tell us that the 'lachis' (gypsies) kidnapped little children and ate them .....

..... then there was this cousin - a jamatia creature like you - who refused to shake hands with a nacirema ..... and like you, he ended up in america, working for the white man but hating him at the same time and now lives on social security form the us government ......

..... in the first case, my mother (god bless her soul) just didn't know better and cannot be blamed for her irrational prejudice .... on the other hand, my cousin - like you - is a shameless hypocrite ...... there is a major difference between the two

masadi mian,

.... and one more thing - i for one, recognize satire when i see it ....... you cannot pull the same thing twice ...........

.... the nacirema might not be real, but moslems are .....

Re: # 180

masadi mian,

.... i think that the muslim ritual of allowing a man to share his bed with four 'wives', fourteen concubines and a boy is much more 'exotic' than anything the poor nacirema can come up with - crowded, but exotic ..... what about the islamic tradition of burying women alive as practiced in balucistan and sind ?.... and what about the silly ritual of starving yourself for a month which is going on as we speak ? .....

Tahmed sahib, thank you for your kind and gracious response, how are you doing btw?

Maybe we can discuss these issues later, this experiment is interesting and some time should be allotted before I say something.

Have a nice day,
TNI Masadi

Distinguished and Most Gracious Mr. Masadi: i never heard of women baking their heads in small ovens. is this a spa of some kind?

Nishadha:

No help from Google either.

What is the relevance of the Nacirema to any of the criticism's against Islam you say, well keep thinking...

Hamid writes "... i think the nacirema are less weird than the moslems ..... have you ever seen them bang their head on the floor five times a day and torture their ankles?"

Hamid mian, who taught you how to pray? I have never seen any Muslim "bang" his head and only if his fat a$$ is hard for his ankles to hold will they be "tortured" to sit or do the sajda. In fact the ritual of the Nacirema are quite exotic compared to a simple sajda by the Muslim. Don't you think this one regarding their women:


Special women's rites are performed only four times during each lunar month, but what they lack in frequency is made up in barbarity. As part of this ceremony, women bake their heads in small ovens for about an hour. The theoretically interesting point is that what seems to be a preponderantly masochistic people have developed sadistic specialists.

hamidm #170 "..... and then there is this whole question of war, strife, famine, plague, babies dying of cancer, head lice and tahmed ....."

tsk! tsk! such bitterness towards poor tahmed. even after i solved your difficult problem of what to do with alif, laam, meem.

As for your determination to surrender islam to the mullahs by claiming that what mullahs say is what islam says - i can understand that now. after all, you dont get to be Lota Hamidm by being merely honest.