Emerging Pakistan-U.S. relations

Re: # 35
[tribesmen to kashmir where they can let of some steam and indlulge in a little blood letting]

You guys (the Pakistanis) have already tried every dirty trick in the book including sending in the jihadis, sending in the "academic" (my ass!) Chatterjis, sending in the Brooklyn-waasi Towns, and now sending in the "peaceful" (my ass!) Geelanis. Nothing worked and nothing will. That is so because the mindset that created Pakistan is inherently bigoted and racist!

It has always failed and it always will! The Kashmiri baby stays with India and you guys (Pakistanis) can merely covet from a distance and go "Uff Allah!"

She made her bed sixty years ago -- and she must sleep in it now and forever! WITH her Indian khasam!

Besides, your own Pakistani bed is rather crowded with the khakis, the mullahs, the Shia/Sunnis, the mohajirs/Sindhis and various other bed-waalis -- all trying to outdo each other with various exciting, mind-blowing acts (when they are not doing various exciting physically blowing up acts). I doubt you can successfully accommodate another damsel -- especially a naazo-makhreywaali Kashmiri one!

re:hamdim2 #35
I thought you guys have tried this strategy earlier and are suffering the blow back now. The real enemy is Paki's who never learn.

Regards,

Faruk

the real enemy


SR mian,

.... i am sure that that is exaclty what happened on the carrier, but i still don't understand why we can't divert the niswar-chewing, watwani-doing, charas-smoking, boy-molesting tribesmen to kashmir where they can let of some steam and indlulge in a little blood letting ...... instead of beheading undernourished chappal clad frontier corpsmen, let them behead pundits and other hindoo riff-raff in the valley ..... i say, let them build their towers of bodi skulls and drag around a saffron clad sadhu in a friendly game of buzkashi with their compatriots from tajikistan and uzbekistan ...... this way we can clear out fata and stop the americans from whining ..... maybe we can even get the americans to build a bowling alley and a kava bar for the few returning ghazis who might or might not come back from their jihad against our real enemy - the horrible hindoo .......

Noora kushti

Admiral Mullen greets General Kiyani as he steps out of the helicopter aboard the USS aircraft carrier in the Arabian Sea.

They chit chat, make the usual introductions and have some refreshments. Afterwards the two men sit down and discuss various topics of 'mutual interest' as Kiyani puffs on his Gold Leaf cigarette and Mullen takes sips from a bottle of Miller Light.

Mullen: Yes, general, I hear you. I agree that we must restore your army's image in the eyes of your people. But we've also got a presidential election going on at home and the administration cannot appear to be soft at this point. We've got to manage these conflicting "public image" requirements

Kiyani: We have an idea that might work.

Mullen: Great, let's hear it.

Kiyani: Next time your boys cross over and conduct an operation, we'll make a big noise about it. I'll announce that we shall not allow foreign troups (meaning Americans) to come even one inch inside our borders. Then on the next incusrion my boys shall open fire and your boys will withdraw. After that you have to help us locate and destroy one of your drones, because by God we can't even see them coming. You tell us when oneis coming and we'll send our jets to the general area and then you order the drone back so we can claim a victory. This will not hurt your domestic image but it will really help ours.

Mullen: I like it so far. Please go on.

Kiyani: Okay after this it will have to get a bit serious. You will help us to locate and destroy one of your drones. You can use one of your obsolete models for that flight. We'll do this after one of your missile attacks. That will really sit well with our people. But it might makes things hard for your folks at home. As compensation, you can make an air raid on one of our check posts. We'll probably lose a young captain and a dozen of his company men. This will do two things. It will appease your red-necks at home, boost your administration' image and it will give us a few shaheeds.

Mullen: A few what, sorry?

Kiyani: A Shaheed is someone who is martyr in the cause Allah. You know about Allah, don't you.

Mullen: Oh, yes, yes, sure. But we haven't met personally.

Kiyani looks a bit akward and continues: Okay, so we have an understanding then. We'll have a war of words and after we've made speeches at the funerals of our shaheeds we can both tone down the rhetoric and have some intermediary come in and patch things up between us. A Turkish diplomat or maybe a Saudi.

It will makes things easier for both of our sides with our respective publics.

Mullen's Aid comes in and salutes: Admiral, sir, the chopper is ready to take the general back and there is a storm coming so we've got a narrow time window.

Mullen: Okay general, you better run along now, that storm is approaching. I think we understand what our roles are and let's see how well we can play them out.

Kiyani: Thank you very much for your generous hospitality, admiral. And yes, can I take this place mat from your cabin as a souvenier?

Mullen: Sure general, help yourself.

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Hear Hamid Mir's report on FATA --- from location ... check out the following:

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/09/19/hamid-mir-on-fata-situation/

a very superficial and pedantic view has been presented

pakistans civilian government has come as part of a secret deal brokered by the USA by its principal dog catcher Musharraf who passed on the baton of the relay race to the civilian democratically elected government .Now the facts:--

1-The Defence Minister has no clue about defence matters other than maintaining good relations with the army because his home town was close to the military cantonment at Kharian.

2-The Foreign Minister has no exprience in foreign policy matters.His statement the other day that there is no coordinatio between US civil and military displays his ignorance.The assurance was given by US Joint Chiefs about not doing any more attacks.While the violation he referred to was again done by the US military in Afghanistan.So where does the lack of coordination between civil and military come in.

3-Pakistan is already sold totally since 9/11 and its leaders are only rubber stamps.

4-The army has already lost the moral ascendancy and any new compromise which Pakistan's politicians are going to make or have already secretly made by giving USA a base near Islamabad will further reduce the armys crdibility.

A hard long bloody civil war is going to commence with no end in sight.

read my post on this thread, I said yesterday that the pakistanis didn't know of the Waziristan attack that occurred during the so-called talks, dawn reported the same today!

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Realistically, an equitable treatment of each other in foreign relations is possible only among nations which are comparable to each other in economic and political clout. Our Pakistani friends (no matter how much bravado gets projected) are comparable in neither – when it comes to our American friends.

Actually, the same is true in comparing Pakistan versus China, or versus Russia, or versus many others. Most of those other (larger) countries do not really care for what the Pakistanis do or think – except when they can put the Pakistanis to use and further some foreign policy goals of their own – usually minor ones. Once their immediate aims are satisfied – one should expect nothing more!

It is nothing personal – it is simply a fact of life.

Of course, there are countless small countries out there which, like Pakistan, are less than perfect – and are still left alone by the world community. The main difference from Pakistan is – the problems of those small countries are self contained and those countries are not actively involved in the affairs of other countries of the world. So they are left alone as long as they leave others alone.

Mutual respect and understanding with others are not possible until our Pakistani friends start displaying some of those same characteristics (mutual respect and understanding) versus other countries – instead of displaying contempt and trying to become the wannabe leaders of a mythical Ummah convinced of its inherent superiority!

The news story, courtesy of Tahmed Sahib, from Chowk UP.

My Good Deed to Support the War on Terrorism:

http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displayStory.cfm?source=hp textfeature&st ory_id=12267391

In Lakki Marwat, home to Pakistan’s second-biggest Pushtun clan, a florid-faced hereditary ruler called Anwar Kamal has maintained a firm and secular grip. By way of explanation, he said: “I told the Taliban, in traditional language, that the next time I see a Talib on my land I am going to screw him as hard I can.�


Dear Khan Anwar Kamal Khan Sahib,

I don't know if you are already aware of this fact, but a financial genius who calls himself Amit Sharma aka Chaltahi aka Create_Alpha is actually a Talib.

Just thought that you might find this information useful.

Respectfully submitted,

Salim Ahmed Khan Chauhan

Re: # 18
Arjun....
Like Advani and other Home Ministers claim that India will not tolerate terrorism ( islamic barbarism)...
It is the matter of capability, rather than words, that matters....
Bill Clinton was the most effective communicator in that way....
Anyhow, Pakistan have to pay for double crossing. That may not confine within Talibans of FATA and NWFP alone. Some part of Pak armed forces have to sacrifice life (the way they have done that for China after 1998 bomb blast- Kargil episode)...

madhavi writes "I guess it is essential to comprehend the subtle style of narration rather than merely skimming through the article."

Wrong answer, you give yourself away in what you wrote, read it yourself again and see what it means:"The U.S. has tirelessly sought to promote the cause of democracy across the world".

You forgot the word "pretended" in there, "The U.S. has pretended to tirelessly seek to promote the cause of democracy across the world"; without that minor adjustment your statement is BS of the highest caliber. If the US had "tirelessly worked for it", it would have got it, at least in its own country for starters. Throwing out chomsky's name does nothing to absolve you. SC sahib, it is much more than FOBs. Thank you kindly

_arjun22 #18 {"pakis!!! stop embarrassing yourselves...everyday we hear your PM or president or COAS say stuff like violation of pakiland's sovereignty will not be tolerated...we know you can't do diddly squad about it..and every day, to prove that, another pakiwhacker whackers another bunch of pakis...

so STFU and stop making bigger fools of yourselves... "}

Arjun,
While your style of posting is crude, rude, and rather unprofessional, most of what you say is true. These fools, and Mushy before them, have made a mockery out of Pakistan, its institutions, and its image. Even Mukhtaran Mai put up a more convincing resistance to her ordeal. Shame!

Madhavi Bhasin,
All in all a factual report on what has been covered in the media as the ongoing soap opera of the symbiotic, or rather parisitic, relationship between the US and Pakistan unfolds. You have presented the perplexing situation quite capably.

The great hoopla regarding democracy, feigned by the current administration, is about as sincere as its resolve to rectify the comedy of elections in Florida and Ohio, the safeguarding of individual liberties guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, or the due diligence in regulation of corporate greed.

I rarely agree with Masadi Sahib, but one must concede that there is no push for democracy, no desire to respect anyone's sovereignty, and no real war on terrorism - it's all about profits for the FOBs - Friends of Bush.

I guess the comment "The U.S. has tirelessly sought to promote the cause of democracy across the world" in the context of the article needs some clarification.
No where in the article has it been mentioned that the U.S. HAS promoted democracy, It has 'sought to'. The use of quote marks in phases “Make the world safe for democracy� and George W. Bush’s ‘Democracy campaign’ reflect the need to look beyond the evident.
The submission that 'When the U.S. brings democracy to a nation, they are in a position to regulate the flow of sovereign authority to the new regime; when internal changes lead to democratic transformation, the U.S. gains no leverage for regulating the nation’s exercise of sovereignty...' reflects that the article is in no way appreciating the role palyed the U.S.

I guess it is essential to comprehend the subtle style of narration rather than merely skimming through the article.
By the way I have read and understood Noam since long!

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