Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity

Majumdar

I can access chowk on only blackberry. May you would be kind enough to do so.

As for sadna ...I think what happened here today proves yet again that she is a crook and liar without parallel.

And you know who else was a leading member of Jamiat e ulema Hind in NWFP...

Maulana Abul al Kalam Azad !

He was the president of JUH in and an elected representative of the Party in 1947 from NWFP ...that's right.

Now if this JUH (JUI-F of today) was somehow pro pakistan in 1947 what was it doing electing Azad ?


The reason why they dropped Hind and adopted islam in 1948 was because it was no longer part of Hindustan.

Yet another faction became Jamiat e ulema pakistan as well.

Yasser mian,

You could post those articles you wrote on PTH on this thread and as I-logs for folks' reference.

Regards

Sadna

Are you just acting dumb or are you really this stupid?

Why don't you tell us the details of Khan sb ministry ... Was JUH not part of Khan ministry?

You keep saying JUI, but could you name one famous leader from this JUI?



Majumdar,

It was not even about hijacking. Mufti Mahmood's faction of JUI (ex JUH) was always against Pakistan and was the largest political party after Congress and the league.

Muthu,

MKG made JLN the head of INC (and effectively India) deliberately 'cos he knew that JLN would be far better at implementing the dhimmi agenda. Which JLN carried out to the best of his ability. Now if some guys are OK with dhimmitude there is nothing wrong with this.

Regards

majumdar:

'Cos he went out of his way to promote Jwahirullah over Patel, a better realist.

So why he did not do the same with Muslims laws overruling Muslim right wing

Are we talking about Gandhi or Nehru?.

Even assuming Gandhi played a role in Nehru's rule (years after his death), that does not sound like a strong enough reason to hate Gandhi. just my 2 cents.. :-)

I still see no reason for calling Gandhi the grandfather of Taliban.

Sadna,

Pls try to understand YLH's argument. His argument is that JUH types hijacked JUI and usurped their name post 1947. That the ideology of JUI was actually the same as that of JUH of undivided India. Maybe you can comment on whether YLH is correct on that or not.

Regards

Yeah which JUH faction was that, apart from Mufti Mahmood? After being pro-British and pro-Muslim League till 1947, how did JUI suddenly become pro-Congress in the 1960s when it first became a political party?

Muthu,

If Nehru screwed up why is that a problem of Gandhi?

'Cos he went out of his way to promote Jwahirullah over Patel, a better realist.

good things like Hindu law reforms/ women's rights etc

So why he did not do the same with Muslims laws overruling Muslim right wing

But Hindus have had plenty of experience being dhimmis

That was one reason why many Hindoos like Bankim welcome British Raj- that they wud never have to be dhimmis again and here we had MKG.

Regards

JUH NWFP was Pro congress, pro gandhi, pro kK and part of the NWFP govt.

If I am not mistaken Azad the congress president ran on a JUH ticket in the election from NWFP.

Pre-partition NWFP JUI was then merely breakaway fraction of a few mullahs who are not even known today.

Majumdar,

I am talking about JUH. The JUH of Mufti Mahmood ...which was the largest Jamiat e ulema group in NWFP and which joined JUI after partition.

Naturally Mufti Mahmood's JUH elements dominated the JUI... And the JUI-F is the exact replica of JUH NWFP which was part of the Frontier Congress goverbment.

Sadna is a crook who is inventing her own history when she knows what I am talking about exactly.

She will continue to lie no matter what one says.

MKG's comments on caste (in 1922 when he was a 53 year old) can hardly be called modernist.

I'd rather consider his actions, (blessing his son to marry out of caste in 1930s when he was in his 60s, his life long efforts in eradicating untouchability) than some translated words from a Gujarati magazine.

majumdar
Mantolives can wish it were so. He has provided no evidence for that storyline except one man Fazlur Rehman's father whose party entered politics only in the 1960s and whose party in NWFP before independence was in the pocket of Muslim League and the British.

MKG appointed Jwahirullah as India's PM and he went on to **** Indians/Hindoos royally and you think that is a weak reason to hate MKG?

If Nehru screwed up why is that a problem of Gandhi?. It's not all bad, in the social sector, I think Nehru/Ambedkar did some good things like Hindu law reforms/ women's rights etc.. against the objections of Hindu right wing nutcases..

What were these circumstances pre-Partition which made dhimmitude desirable?


Don't you know?. The story of the whole of India surviving as a country ruled by Hindus is only a dream prior to 1947. There was no precedence for the last 1000 years. But Hindus have had plenty of experience being dhimmis. :-)

JUI in NWFP was anti-Khimadtgar anti-Congress and anti-Pakistan Cunningham's diary shows. Mantolives has created a mythical JUI based on the persona of one man who was never to my knowledge sent to jail for sedition by the Pakistan govt like the Khidmatgars were, and yet Mantolives is blaming the Khidmatgars for his activities.

Sadna,

I guess what YLH means is that JUH elements joined JUI and later muscled their way into control over it much like Unionist feudals got control of the Punjab League. Then on, JUI's ideology was the original Deobandi-Congressi-JUH ideology. YLH can correct me if I am wrong.

Regards