Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity

Look at Sadna go ...

Sadna answer the question if you have any honest bone in your body left (though you don't).


On what side were Mufti Mahmood and his JUH NWFP (today's JUI-F) before partition?

Whose son is Fazlurrahman the father of taliban... Mufti Mahmood or these mullahs you are naming?

Sadna,

Thanks for JUI's history.

Now you can elborate on the following:

1. How influential was JUI vis-a-vis JUH factions.
2. Which of today's Talibs or even Islamist parties can be considered JUH elements or JUI elements. I wud presume that JUH elements who gravitated to JUI post 1946 shud be treated as JUH rathers than JUI-ites. Just as Unionists who defected to the League post 1946 shud be treated essentially as Unionists rather than Leaguers.

Regards

The JUI of Shabbir Ahmed Usmani was a minor entity ...

JUI in Pakistan became a national force after JUH remnants joined it after partition.

Mufti Mahmood was the tallest leader of the JUH in NWFP .. Staunchest Congress ally... And after 1947 the grandest figure of Deoband in Pakistan.

He was also head of the PNA of which Wali Khan's part was a member.

"It is significant that the Muslim League was founded in the Frontier in Abbottabad in September 1937, at the hands of mullahs. The President of Jaimat-ul-Ulema, Maulana Shakirullah of Nowshera, was the leading figure in the ceremony who also became the League�s first president, and the Jamiat�s Secretary, Maulana Mohammad Shuaib of Mardan, became its first secretary."

From Governor Cunningham's diarys of the late 1930 period on paying off mullahs:

"Kuli Khan at once arranged secret meetings with tribal mullahs and others who would not come out into the open. With some mullahs he had to establish relations through certain persons in Hyderabad state�Through Mullah Marwat, Kuli Khan established relations with the office bearers of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema Sarhad and their supporters in India.

These mullahs, many of whom had constantly been anti-British, began to speak and wail against the Russians and Germans on the platform and in the press. Subsidies were paid to all these mullahs through Mullah Marwat.

The recruits were briefed to tell the Muslims that on one side were the British, recognised by Islam as the People of the Book, and with whom Islam even permitted intermarriage; on the other were the Bolsheviks who were not only among the people of the Book but, according to the British line of propaganda, were rank atheists. It followed that the British and Islam were on the same side; the common task was to fight against this new anti-religious threat. The mullah�s were also required to keep emphasising to the Muslims that enlisting in the British army and fighting in support of the British was a great and noble service to Islam.

Cunningham writes that he had persuaded the leaders of Jamiat-ul-Ulema Sarhad to go to Faqir Ipi in Waziristan and tell him that his opposing Britain was no longer in the interest of Islam; now Britain was at war with Germany and Italy, and had taken up arms against kufr, which itself was a wholly Islamic objective.

This campaign of rallying Islam to Britain�s support through letters, speeches, personal lobbying, etc., was being carried out with extraordinary secrecy so that nobody got a hint that Britain itself was involved in it. Cunningham, however, remained in constant touch. He was told of every bit of progress. When Faqir Ipi�s aide, Mohammad Waris, wrote back to Jamiat-ul-Ulema Sarhad, he quickly learnt about it and was pleased. He noted the friendly tone and the lack of any sign of suspicion that the effort had been undertaken at British behest.

The outbreak of war in Europe led to differences within India between the British and the Congress. Congress ministries resigned in eight provinces and situation of confrontation began to develop.

The NWFP governor found it necessary that in addition to tribal areas and Afghanistan, mullahs� support in the province too should be organised. Since in the early years the war was only against Germany and Italy, the British thought it advisable to tone down their campaign here against the Soviet Union and to concentrate more on the two immediate enemies.

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Cunningham then gives a detailed description of the performance of these mercenary mullahs, especially of Kuli Khan. It seems the Khan Bahadur had most of his work performed through Jamiat-ul-Ulema Sarhad.

The detail go into number of meetings held, resolutions passed, pamphlets printed, tours undertaken and contacts established. Cunningham also for the first time mentions the speeches made against the Congress: �Maulana Mohammad Shuaib toured Mardan district condemning Satyagraha�.Pamphlet by Maulana Madaullah on war situation, anti-Congress� �etc.


Cunningham records their doings in detail. For instance:
Jamiat-ul-Ulema toured in Kohat district in Jun�42 and in Peshawar and Mardan in July doing intensive propaganda-
a. Anti-Axis, on the Islamic theme generally, and
b. Anti-Congress, particularly on the Pakistan theme.
Mullah in Peshawar and Mardan intensified the anti-Congress propagand during July � August�42.

In other words the British had stimulated these mullahs in support of political work on behalf of the Muslim League. They were thus using this religious band exactly in accordance with the changing needs in the ebbs and tides of the War. They had so yoked the mullah to their subservience that whatever their requirement, the mullah was ready to deliver promptly finding a justification for it in Islam.

Thus when Britain felt reassured about the Russians, it diverted the mullahs to taking on the Khudai Khidmatgars. By August 1942 in Mardan alone the Swat Prime Minister had, according to Cunningham, employed 18 mullahs. Two were in the attendance of Pir Baba and were paid a monthly allowance of Rs. 30.

Cunningham also recalls:
Maulana Mohammad Shuaib and Maulana Madarullah came to see me at Nathigali on 26th August and produced a long draft in Urdu of their pamphlet which they propose to issue both in the district and in T.T. (Tribal territory) � all good anti-Congress, anti-Japanese and anti-Axis stuff. They are extremely friendly.

The English were careful about their own service to Islam by recording the names, addresses etc., of all these mullahs: 24 mullahs were from Peshawar tehsil, six of them from Peshawar city; 13 from Charsadda tehsil; three from Nowshera; 18 from Mardan and Swabi.

This process continued. Right until 1946, the names of every one of the mullahs that Cunningham hired is duly recorded in his diaries. "

Sadna,

If YLH is correct, JUI was a minor non entity sort. Maybe you can correct YLH on that.

Regards

Muthu,

i can understand if you are pained at the splitting up of Bengal and got personally affected and needed someone to blame.

I am by no means pained at the breakup of Bengal, although my father's family is from EB. Rather, I am pained that Bengali Hindoos did not show the same kind of foresight that Punjabi Hindoos and Sikhs showed thanks to local traitors like JNM and the national traitor Gaddar-e-Azam- MKG.

Gandhi as we know is a perfect dhimmi

That incidentally is one of my main grouse against him and his appointee as PM, Jwahirullah imprinted dhimmitude on the whole country.

Regards

No one is asking kk to be responsible for anyone but itself.

We are holding Congress responsible for its ally the Jamiat e ulema Hind ...the main NWFP faction of which goes under the name JUI-F these days.

Ok nautanki champion answer this:

Which side were Mufti Mahmood and his Jamiat e Ulema Hind NWFP on in 1945-1947 ?


When you will answer this your entire nautanki will unravel...

The answer is Congress.


Incidentally who is called the father of the taliban?

Mufti Mahmood's son Fazlur rahman.

Ok nautanki champion answer this:

Which side were Mufti Mahmood and his Jamiat e Ulema Hind NWFP on in 1945-1947 ?


When you will answer this your entire nautanki will unravel...

The answer is Congress.


Incidentally who is called the father of the taliban?

Mufti Mahmood's son Fazlur rahman.

Re: # 200

You forgot masadi's original contribution MFJ

Frankly I don't understand why sadna lies like she does about history.

Atleast be honest and don't try and confuse people.

Mantolives
Your calling something a lie doesn't make it so, because unfortunately for you the British kept records. In NWFP JUI was a British collaborationist set up which was on ML's side AGAINST the Khidmatgars. There is no way in which you can hold the Khidmatgars responsible for JUI in NWFP, you have to hold the British and Jinnah's joint anti-Congress efforts in the province for over a decade responsible.

#197 by majumdar

But maybe Jinnahite Pakis like YLH, Arifbhai and Tahmed sahib can confirm whether today's Pak is the Pak of Jinnah sahib's dreams or not. Whether it follows Jinnah's ideology or not?

No expert opinion is needed Majumdar bhai; just a little bit of commonsense is enough.

Majumdar,

There was Jamiat e ulema Hind the main deobandi party.

A small faction of this broke away and supported Jinnah. It began calling itself Jamiat ulema Islam under Usmani.


Mufti Mahmood and his Jamiat-e-ulema Hind NWFP supported Congress through out. After partition the remnants of this JUH who supported Gandhi joined Usmani's JUI ...and because they were larger group they soon dominated the JUI.

The Mufti Mahmood led Jamiat e ulema consisted mainly of JUH mullahs who had opposed Pakistan.

In the 1980s Mufti Mahmood JUI (which was entirely composed of Jamiat e ulema Hind remnants) broke into two:

Fazl group and sami ul haq group. Both were historically opposed to Pakistan.


All sadna is playing on is a similarity in the name. The only remnant of Usmani's JUI is Ehteram ul haq Thanvi who is a member of Imran Khan's Tehreek e insaaf.

majumdar:

My head is spinning with so many Jamaats being mentioned.


he..he.. same with me. Thank Allah for abbreviations.. JUI, JUF, JUI-S, NCM, YLH, MAJ, MKG etc..etc..

keep it going.

even i don't get your hatred against Gandhi. i can understand if you are pained at the splitting up of Bengal and got personally affected and needed someone to blame.

Gandhi as we know is a perfect dhimmi, but that doesn't make him a less nobler person.

All these childish charges at Gandhi, like him being a casteist et..al can be easily verified to be false. He blessed his son to marry outside caste, so how can he be against inter caste dining / marrying.

Re: # 188
Majumder...
" Why did he have to call off NCM after a violence against policemen at Chauri Chaura and not after the Mopah violence?..."

NCM and other agitation initiated by Gandhi was to see that people do not use violence as means to drive out British Govt. Chauri Chaura was such an incident where the Govt. machinery was targetted....

What Gandhi did was very much unfair to Indians. But that never imples, those islamists would have behaved like civilised person, if Gandhi would not have supported them...

Gandhi had very little say on moslems. It was these pamperings, which had kept some section of moslems out of the clutch of ML. As a leader of Congress whatever he had done, is quite justified....