Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity

My note to AH Amin about this going mudfest.

Dear Mr. A.H. Amin....I request to moderate your comments. I fear we can loose you. They may try to hurt you. We need honest thinking person like you to be alive and kicking. You have developed analytical skills and honesty( practice makes it second nature) to look at things as they are not to massage the facts. You are always swimming against "established" current as you try to find the source of problems so you have to go against current which is mindless and full of lies and half lies. Just It came to mind why people go on wrting about Jinnah and Gandhi. Why they not go to your historic analysis of Indo pak History. They loose in details which are nearly irrelevant in overall picture. It is and was a economic anxity and leading neuroris of and reactions of land owning and mercantile interests. You have written excellently about 1857. Now recent mudfest is comic, I lament to say the information is not knowledge, otherwise Libriaris will be full of knowledge. Knowledge does not take you much what is additionally required is wisdom to draw logical conclusions and learn from those. Kindly contribute to this newspaper and moderate. Hopefully many will realiase just shouting abuses does not prove or disprove any thing.
Your comment is 200% correct , this is all going Tamasha for last 60 years it has no substance just ecochember with recording of "his Masters Voice"
Sincerely A.Madani
Good Day

What precisely?

We've already shown that taliban were created by the mufti mahmood faction which was the dominant group and pro congress.

You haven't even told us which jamiat e ulema are you talking about because governor is certainly not talking about Usmani's let alone establish a link.

First make up your mind or get it checked.

masanamuthu
"Well.. then we do know that there is another JU(X) in NWFP outside the Congress fold supported by ML that could potentially be the mother of Taliban, if we consider Congress/Gandhi to be the father of Taliban."

Precisely.

No we don't. We don't know who the governor is talking about... But we certainly know he is not talking about Usmani's breakaway faction which supported the League.

The credit for Taliban goes to Mufti Mahmood and his son and his disciple ...who have an unbroken historical continuity with the Congress.

Either way ... even if it was true and there was this third JU(X) ... It was the pro-Congress Mufti Mahmood faction that created Taliban...whereas no one even knows of this third JU(X). My own feeling is that Cunningham might have used some of the people within the JU ... if true.


Well.. then we do know that there is another JU(X) in NWFP outside the Congress fold supported by ML that could potentially be the mother of Taliban, if we consider Congress/Gandhi to be the father of Taliban.

:-)

Sadna,

Give it up you are boring everyone now! You have no argument left.

I do have an argument but I will deal with Yassar later on that.

As I said, I am not saying that Cunningham was. Please contact his heirs and correct his diary.

There was no JUI before partition. The same people were called JUH.

Pathans have been going to Madrrasa in deoband and other places for a long time. For poor pathan it was for jobs in Mosques etc. In sindh majority of Mosques still have pathan mullah.
In our village mosque, we had a pathan mullah and his speeches were in urdu and people used to poed over that. But they had no choice...there weren't very many Sindhi mullah around.even in India before partition many mosques had pathan mullahs.

cricketer Irfan Pathan's father is from swat and he went as far as Gujarat to get a job in a mosque and stayed there after the partition.

One reason Gandhi and Ghaffar Khan were so close was because they were both conservatives. Both religious and otherwise as well. Thats why Ghaffar Khan never opposed sharia in public.

Hain how would a party which was part of Congress government in NWFP and which elected Azad to the contituent assembly be pro-pakistan and pro-ML?

I think you've lost your mind completely.

Apna ilaj karao. Only someone completely deluded will buy your lies. I know just the person waisay.

Good night.

OK, so now you admit a faction of the JUH existed in NWFP and was used by Cunningham to start up the NWFP Muslim League in 1937 and spread anti-Khidmatgar pro-Pakistan propaganda in the war years.

Now, was this pro-ML pro-Pakistan faction of JUH in NWFP extremist?

Sadna bibi,

That was Jamiat e Ulema Hind of NWFP ... It was the deobandi party ...it got support from deobandi students and its president was Azad. I don't get how you concluded that it was for usmani's JUI which did not exist in NWFP or balochistan.

The fact that cunningham's diaries mentioned JUH sarhad and not JUI is a slap on your face.

Yeah now I've changed words around - saying that will get rid of Cunningham's diary.

That last post was also addressed to HP. Suddenly he knows nothing about anything.

Mantolives
Again, your wishful thinking assertions are all that you've got. It is a recorded fact that JUI had pre-independence support in Pakistan regions in NWFP and Balochistan because students from those regions went to Deoband school to study.

So I still haven't gotten the answer to my question : please show proof that the pre-independence pro-British pro-ML Jamiat Ul Ulema in NWFP which Cunningham writes of was not extremist and the organisation became extremist later only when the pro-Congress faction joined it.

Sadna,

Cunningham was not working for British after 1947. He was working for the government of Pakistan. There was no need for him to nurse a party in NWFP for ML support.
Btw, after Partition, The Khan sahib ministry was dismissed and Qayoom Khan became the Chief Minister.

I don't know why the Pro-Pakistan faction died. Maybe they lost support after the partition or there might be one or two still lurking there but they never won any elections there.

I am not a custodian of political parties record in NWFP and Political parties don't apply to government before they go out of business to keep a written record.

That party pretty much died all over Pakistan including Karachi and Hyderabad where they were popular at one time. Though they still retain a structure and and I think Mualana Noorani's son is still the leader.

No ... What he is saying is that Mufti Mahmood's JUH pro congress became what is today JUI-F (and S) ...and that it was this faction that created the taliban.

The pro-pakistan JUI has dissipated into other political groups like PTI.