Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity

Sadna

What kind of a liar are you?

Answer this question:

Did Mufti Mahmood and his party support Congress or the Muslim League?


They supported the Congress. They were part of Jamiat e ulema Hind. After 1948 they merged with JUI and later Mufti Mahmood made his own faction ie the JUI-F


Shabbir Ahmed usmani's small JUI pre-partition did not even feature in political campaign in NWFP.

Has it come to outright lying sadna?

Harishbhai,

Majumdar bhai, thanks for this Dusshera eve joke

Well, if I can make you smile, it is certainly worth it.

But maybe Jinnahite Pakis like YLH, Arifbhai and Tahmed sahib can confirm whether today's Pak is the Pak of Jinnah sahib's dreams or not. Whether it follows Jinnah's ideology or not?

Regards

#194 by majumdar

I think I have explained before that by 1946-47, thinsg were so bad that it was out of folks control.

So who was responsible for things getting out of control? Will you now blame MKG, the only man who at great personal risk to his life tried to bring the situation under control, unlike a certain gentleman who was preparing to be arrested (for inciting the violence) by sleeping on the floors?

Majumder....
Bringing Gandhi in current islamic terrorism is something very funny....
The Islamic Donation Boxes kept outside Karachi or Islamabad mosques are filled with money from middle class Pakistanis as donation to Kashmiri Jihad. Islamic barbarism is something different. It has nothing to do with Gandhi...

Gandhi allowed something just to see that moslems do not throw spanner in his movement..
Gandhi was not at all misogynist, the way Manto is projecting. There were large number of female freedom fighters, who were involved in his movement....Sarojini Naidu, Matangini Hazra.....

Sadna,

I think I have explained before that by 1946-47, thinsg were so bad that it was out of folks control. If MAJ (pbuh) is responsible for the bloodletting in West Pak in 1947, MKG and JLN are responsible for the same in East Punjab, parts of UP and Bihar. Incidentally I first made this point to YLH when he was blaming INC, MKG and JLN for the killings in 1946-47.

Regards

Sadna/YLH,

My head is spinning with so many Jamaats being mentioned.

Now can you guys clarify which were the various Jaamat factions and who supported what in what period and which of them enjoyed popularity with masses and which were mere paper tigers?

Regards

majumdar
You have to explain to yourself someday why you hold Gandhi always responsible for what Muslims inside and outside his party did, but you never hold Jinnah responsible for what Muslim Leaguers ever did.

#186 by majumdar

Pakistan of today is not the one that MAJ (pbuh) created, in fact ever since his death, Pakistan has negated everything that he stood for.

Hahahaha!! Majumdar bhai, thanks for this Dusshera eve joke; I can do with one.

So how is MAJ (pbuh) responsible for the Taliban/SIMI?

You do know that what SIMI's ideology is, don't you Majumdar bhai? If you still play ignorant, I feel it would be futile to discuss any further.

What Mantolives is explaining to the world is that JUI did support the creation of Pakistan in NWFP and opposed the Khidmatgars in NWFP, but the Khidmatgars and Gandhi are responsible for JUI which exists today in NWFP. It is well to note that JUI mullahs were paid money by the British government to SET UP the NWFP Muslim League and oppose the Khidmatgars in 1937-1939. Unfortunately the Khidmatgars won the 1937 elections(and the 1946 elections) despite NWFP JUI mullahs' and British governors' best efforts. YET it is Khidmatgars who are responsible for JUI today, according to a 'secular' Pakistani.

Majumdar,

These arguments by sadna based on lies and similarly inane arguments by Harish show that they don't have a leg to stand on.

Sadna,

Why did MKG have to keep silent on the atrocities of Moplahs and assorted fundoos against Hindoos? Why did he downplay that? Why did he have to call off NCM after a violence against policemen at Chauri Chaura and not after the Mopah violence?

Regards

PS: Sadna's deliberate dishonesty on this point has been exposed many times.

Jamiat e ulema hind NWFP was the predominant Jamiat e Ulema and it was quite active pro-Congress throughout the elections of 1945-1946 and it was carrying out anti-league propaganda in both the settled and tribal areas.

Shabbir Ahmed usmani's breakaway Jamiat-e-ulema was not even popular in NWFP.

The only time League ever came together with JUH was for a brief six month period in the Muslim unity board in UP in 1937.

Either sadna is really ignorant or she is trying to confuse people by lying out of her teeth.

Harishbhai,

Re: 184

How? Pakistan of today is not the one that MAJ (pbuh) created, in fact ever since his death, Pakistan has negated everything that he stood for. Even YLH admits that. So how is MAJ (pbuh) responsible for the Taliban/SIMI?

Regards

majumdar
Jinnah would have had to give up his lucrative practice if he had signed on to the NCM. Noncooperation meant giving up practice, not paying taxes, quitting govt jobs etc. Jinnah was never a non-cooperating politician, ever. He also had no problem working with any of the Muslim politicians who participated in the Khilafat movement and upheld the Khilafat cause, some of them were quite close to him.

Secondly, as adamkhan said earlier, you give too much credit to Gandhi for the Khilafat movement. The movement was in force before Gandhi even came to India, and at best his role was of a collaborater with the Khilafat movement(as tying it up with NCM), he was not the spearhead by any measure. Gandhi took an existing discontent and an existing movement and tied up with it. He was not the one who enabled the mullahs, the mullahs were enabled by his Muslim colleagues heading the movement. If Jinnah is not held responsible for any the excesses committed by ML leaders and members, why should Gandhi be held responsible for what his Muslim colleagues said or chose to do?

#182 by majumdar

Besides, neither YLH nor I are accusing MKG of creating the Taliban we are accusing him of promoting a strain of thought within the Muslim community which would mutate into the Taliban, among other things.

In which case Majumdar bhai, can we safely lay the blame for Islamic terrorism in India on Jinnah and his TNT? And for the Shia-Sunni divide in Pakistan, can we say Jinnah was the father of the Sipah-e-Sahaba and Lashkar-e-Jhangvi? And what about the persecution of Ahmadis?

Majumdar,

Sadna is lying again. The JUI-F faction of which Mufti Mahmood was the head was part of the Jamiat-e-ulema hind from 1945-1947. After partition JUH mullahs joined JUI-F of Shabbir Ahmed Usmani.

She is confusing Shabir Ahmed Usmani's JUI with Mufti Mahmood's JUH which is today JUI-F.

The JUI of Shabbir Ahmed Usmani does not exist anymore ... because the other JUI-S is also a breakaway faction of Mufti Mahmood's JUI.

Usmani's JUI was a small breakaway faction of the JUH.