Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity

Sadna,

Jamiat e ulema was led by Azad. Your claim doesn't make any sense.

You can go on lying.



Masanamuthu,

I am disputing sadna's copying. She often changes words around and I have pointed it out in the past.

Either way ... even if it was true and there was this third JU(X) ... It was the pro-Congress Mufti Mahmood faction that created Taliban...whereas no one even knows of this third JU(X). My own feeling is that Cunningham might have used some of the people within the JU ... if true.

Sadna's whole angle was to prove that somehow mufti mahmood faction supported the League (you can check her posts from 170 to 230)...and she has clearly been proven a liar there.

HP, you have so far mentioned only the Usmani faction.

Are you saying that Cunningham who returned as Governor of NWFP after independence at Jinnah's request, allowed the Jamiat Ul Ulema in NWFP (which he had used for pro-British pro-ML anti-Khidmatgar activities throughout war years), to disappear and disintegrate after independence? What is your reference for that?

Oh I get it ... You are trying to say that Azad was actually on Muslim League's side secretly...wow now that is a bombshell.

I thought you were saying it. Let me try to understand.

1. Are you disputing the Brit governor's diary?.
2. If not, are you saying that Brits paid JU(X) under Maulana Azad to take an anti Congress line?.
3. If no, does that mean there existed some JU(X) which could take extremist positions before 1947?.

and I completely agree that it takes courage to challenge established points of view.

Unfortunately the authors have merely conformed to the existing "gandhi was a saint" point of view. They lack the moral courage to not conform.

Maharana,

Search NWFP history yasser latif hamdani on google. I have a five part series which will give you an alternative view on NWFP and Frontier Gandhi. It is good to know all sides of the picture.

Also search yasser latif hamdani + gandhi. You will find an alternative pov on that as well.

Tahir & Syeda,

I read this article quite late and wanted to express my thanks for a wonderful write up. Such ideas have a way of remianing immortal whether practised by Gandhi or MLK jr. and perhaps later on by others. Yes it is important that the seed that was sown by Gandhi be carried on by others. Historically, NWFP was the place where Panini the world's first grammarian was born. Later on it saw many culutral landmarks achieved. During the independence struggle If I remember correctly, frontier gandhi was allied with the independnce struggle using non-violent methods. I feel bad for the people of NWFP they have become cannon fodder in the hands of paki establishment. Indeed it is most relevant for the NWFP to ask whether the non-violent struggle method or the kalanishkov method is better for the people. The last 20 years are a testament to that.
Keep up the good work. It takes more courage to express one's views that are not in conformity with the established opinions. More so, when the established views are held by virulent jehadis.

Adios

Sadna,

Oh I get it ... You are trying to say that Azad was actually on Muslim League's side secretly...wow now that is a bombshell.

No wonder Gandhi dismissed him as Congress president for accepting the cabinet mission plan.

Now the world makes sense...

As for your other comment ... How is "creating taliban" being affiliated with the Hindus or and not created taliban not being affiliated with Hindus.

The simple fact is that the pro-congress Ex-JUH JUI-F ended up making the taliban.

The thanvi-usmani JUI of Karachi dissipated into other political groups.

Sadna,
There is no cover up. It is just your capacity to understand various factions and their politics.

Since your knowledge of Pakistan is all gleaned from newspapers, you are having difficulty with the internal Pakistani politics.

Yassar,
I really don't know much about this Barelvi and deobandi distinctions. To me a mullah is a mullah! and JI is wahabi which is like another name for Alquaida!

masanamuthu
HP and Mantolives are trying their best to cover up all mention of that JU(X).(one more wagging finger icon)

Mantolives / Sadna:

either of you can clarify.

So British governor has remarked in his diary that he paid some version of Jamiat Ulema, let's call JU(X).. Assuming this is not a lie,

it implies

1) Brits paid off Maulana Azad to take anti Congress line.
2) Brits paid off some other Maulanas not affiliated to take anti Congress line.

which one is right.

Yeah Mantolives, as I said since you judge Deobandis' extremism by their past affiliation to Hindus, and by no other criteria, you should find such explanations very comforting.

"However after independence, these two Jamiat ul Ulemas became extremists because the pro-Congress Jamiat ul Ulema Hind took them over.
I think people get it after you repeated it so many times, HP and Mantolives. According to you pro-ML Deobandi Jamiat ul Ulema and incited mullahs = not extremist while pro-Congress Deobandi Jamiat ul Ulema and Khidmatgars = extremist."

Here is the missing piece.
The pro-Pakistan group never got any foothold in NWFP after the creation of Pakistan. It was popular in Karachi and Hyderabad under Shah Ahmed Noorani because of the mohajir .
The Pro-Pakistan group pretty much died in Karachi and Hyderabd after MQM burst on the scene in both cities as I mentioned in one of my posts.

The former pro-Congress section after the death of Mufti Mehmood and under Fazal Rehman and Maulan Samiullah provided support to the Mujahidin first and then Taliban. First set of Taliban came for Maulana Sami's madrassa in Nushera.

So the Pro-Pakistan group had nothing to do with Taliban...

HP,

I would imagine that Noorani's JUP would have something to do with this whole thing but isn't Noorani clan a barelvi sunni party?

masanamuthu
Oye, that's blasphemy. The British never supported Muslim extremists only Hindus did(wagging finger icon).

Well sadna...the pro-congress faction is responsible for the taliban. The pro-league faction has dispersed into parties like tehreek e insaaf and tehreek e istaqlal and national democratoc party.