Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity

The second question is that if Muslim League and Brits used JUI in NWFP against the Khidmatgars for many years, why are Khitmadgars responsible for JUI, not the British and Jinnah?

So you are saying
1. JUI in NWFP which was bribed by the British to start the NWFP Muslim League in 1937 and bribed during the war years by the British to spread anti-Khidmatgar pro-Pakistan propaganda AS EARLY AS 1942 were not extremists.

2. JUI in NWFP which was bribed by the British to start the NWFP Muslim League in 1937 and bribed during the war years by the British to spread anti-Khidmatgar pro-Pakistan propaganda AS EARLY AS 1942 were not extremists and existed till 1954.

3. In 1954, the pro-ML non-extremist JUI was taken over by pro-Congress JUI and ONLY THEN it became extremist.

The question here was, where is the proof that till 1954 when you say it ceased to exist, the pro-ML JUI was not extremist?

Yawn... These are all claims which don't stand the test of history.

The very fact that you Indians have to resort to abuse against Jinnah, is indicative of an inability to defend the racist casteist Hindu fascist fraud that Gandhi was on his own merit.

The world suffers from many delusions ... At one time everyone on the planet believed earth was flat and people like you abused people who said otherwise. Around 90 percent of the world believes in a god for which there is no rational evidence ... Prophets, sons of god, people walking on water, divine revelation, magical thinking, penis gods, reincarnation, afterlife etc etc are common delusions.

Slowly but surely all delusions are done away with. So will be the case with that fraud you call Gandhi.

Setting the record straight for whom? For pakis, who are just upset that their boy Jinnah is no where in the league of global personalities, whose megalomania created a basketcase of a country..where the awam only sought messiahs, just like him..to deliver salvation and still does to his day...whose quaid e azam was spun like a top by Lainlithgow and other brits to have a client state to counter the russians....who was resigned to obscurity while the leaders from NFWP, Punjab and Bengal...(bascially wht became pakistan) found common interest with Nehru than Jinnah?.......where until he used communalism with his "isalm khatrey mein hai" mantra (which we see as the rallying cry for pakistan promoting terrorism across the world) he was shunned by the masses.....where he was used a s condom by the brits (much like the tradition continuing to this day at the hands of america) and bascially squeezed into a truncated pakistan.

all your randi rona about setting the record straight cannot change the facts and the results of what he actually accomplished. there is a reason why Gandhi (tho a chucklehead) is revered the world over for his lasting legacy of non-violent protests....there is a reason why there are statues upon statues of gandhi across the world extolling this virtue.

You wetie about gandhi sleeping with yung women....didn't jinnah's wife leave him for non-performance? this trait has been passed down to the awam as well. No wonder everyone leaves pakistanis.

#268 Posted by MantoLives on October 8, 2008 5:34:38 am


I am merely interested in setting the record straight.


So gandhi is responsible for the current jihadi predicament pakiland finds itself in?


hmm...that might change my opinion of the naked old fart..I might even forget about the most boring movie ever...

I am not even going to go into the utter inaccuracy of that claim.

All I am going to say is why can't Gandhi be defended on grounds of what he did...

Gandhi brought the Mullahs into politics to undercut the liberal Muslim leadership like Jinnah because Jinnah asked for a piece of pie for his community whereas Mullahs were content with merely making muslims more backward and hence it suited Gandhi's grand plan just perfectly when his biggest mullah supporter maulana azad gave the fatwa that India had become darul harb and that it was the duty to every Muslim to move to Afghanistan.

As patwardhan (read post 169) gandhi deliberately released the forces of superstition to control the muslims through reactionary mullahs.

Look around Gandhi...there wasn't a single seriousminded successful Muslim around him. Azad was a religious scholar ... Bacha Khan a Pushtun sardar ... No sight of bourgeosie, modern muslims like Jinnah etc.

So gandhi was working with the religious groups and bringing them into a ployglotic set up under congress....and jinnah was simply using them with his "islam khatrey mein hai" tactic. So in the end Jinnah more communal than gandhi...debate over.

Once again ... Sadna you are merely tip toeing around the fact that you were caught lying about Jamiat e ulema hind which elected Azad from NWFP and whose President was Azad even in 1948.

No one denied that a small breakaway faction of Jamiat e Ulema Hind called Jamiat e ulema islam existed pre-partition. It is not the same as JUI-F which consists of erstwhile Jamiat e Ulema Hind.

No Thanvis or Usmanis fathered the taliban. Infact Ehteramul Haq thanvi is a member of PTI today...

Mufti Mahmood and his son Maulana Fazlu rahman did more to establish the Deobandi religious fascism in NWFP than anyone else and it is Fazlur rahman who is called "the father of the taliban" ...Mufti Mahmood was Congress' man. Madani was his leader and Madani's sons respect him and Fazloo like their own. All these people - including the breakaway faction under thanvis and usmani- but especially pro-Congress Mufti Mahmood types were the bequeath of Gandhi and the Congress party which made them a factor. Read post 169 and weep.

No doubt the League broke some Mullahs ... Why should Congress alone use them but for the real ideologues remained firmly in the Congress camp. And it was these ideologues and the Majls e Ahrar e Islam (another staunch Congress ally) and its mullah ata ullah shah bokhari (mufti mahmood's equivalent in Punjab) Shorish Kashmiri and Allama inayatullah mashriqi. Who provided ideological background for the kind of Islamism that has plagued both india and Pakistan but which got armed to the teeth under general Zia (whose family was active in Majlis e Ahrar the ally of the Congress once again).

It was Gandhi who brought this into politics, who encouraged Azad and others to make jamiat e ulema hind and who brought Mullahs to the forefront of politics.

And Jamiat e ulema hind remained committed to Congress. Even the ill-fated six month long alliance between jamiat e ulema hind and ML in 1937 was according to Azad because JUH thought the League would support the Congress after elections (read page 170 of India wins freedom).

So no matter how you look at it:

1: a great majority of deobandi islamists supported Gandhi and opposed Jinnah. Only a very small minority supported Jinnah.

2. Gandhi was their saviour, their enabler, their grand daddy because he made them a factor in Indian politics.

3. The main ideological support for taliban came from people like Fazlurrahman who owed his entire rise to Gandhi and the Congress' encouragement of JUH and who remained opposed to Pakistan and the Muslim League.


These are the facts.

I see, so now you admit that there was a ML-supporting JUI until 1954 at least. Anyone who was following your assertions wouldn't know that.

And now your new assertion is that the JUI became extremist only in 1954. Where is the evidence that the ML-supporting JUI was not extremist and only the Congress-supporting JUI was?

arjun:


manto is now on plan B...go on quixotic quest to prove that the current islamist predicament is somehow gandhi's fault...gandhi, who died more than 60 years ago...


that's right.. even though it is quixotic, let us offer good luck to Mantolives. :-)

PS to 265:

Not only is it clear that Mufti Mahmood remained ideologically aligned with the Congress,
It is clear that it was 1954 that the pro-ML elements in the JUI were overpowered and JUH remnants took control of it.


Arjunm,

I am merely interested in setting the record straight.

Majumder....
Caste system was reality in India. What is wrong in caste system, though it lost it's significant in current context? Much of the Indian society (including carpenter, farmer abduls, whose ancestors changed name to avoid paying jejya/protection money) is caste based and rely on traditional professions than modern industrial output.
Gandhi was against dalit oppression. The so called OBCs are economicaly at per with Brahmins and Kshatriyas in villages. Only Banias were little different.

Whatever Gandhi did was to keep India united. In current situation, it may look that creation of Pakistan and BD was boon for India. But, if you keep on fragmenting India -South, Indian West, Arab follower region in West, Arab follower East, North East, Ganga valley.... India would be vulnerable to any external threat again. Horrific experience of 700 years before Brits, must have haunted Gandhi...
Regarding dhimmitude, with seer number and professional skills, it was never possible for moslems to rule India...Unless and until, major political parties back it. The way F A Ahmed, A P J Abdul Kalam etc... had become president of India....

What happened in Bengal is really very sad (194x). But then Bengal local Congress leaders should be equaly blamed for that. Part of Kolkata based politicians supported S C Bose and its armed struggle against Brits. Bengalis never thought local Abduls could use arms to threaten to Mr. Bose etc...But unforunately it happened. Bengalis used to enjoy support from British Govt. in all spheres of life ( Industry, employment, education...). When they started shouting against British, the scenario changed....

#264 Posted by masanamuthu on October 8, 2008 4:48:44 am

Manto's problem is simple...he's not an islamist...in fact, he ahmedi..his only shot of survival in pureland is for pureland to magically go back to jinnah's supposed secular ideals...

now reality is quite different...the fact of the matter is that pakiland is an islamist state today..I'm sure manto would love to debate that over a up of coffee at the islamabad marriot..

manto is now on plan B...go on quixotic quest to prove that the current islamist predicament is somehow gandhi's fault...gandhi, who died more than 60 years ago...

being anti-gandhi is the only way he can prove his pakistaniyat to an increasingly islamist population who think ahmedis are fair game..

It's funny..the paki establishment that created, armed and continues to sustain the taliban - and getting hellfires in return - are not responsible for the taliban....but the boring movie guy who died 60 years ago is..

Mufti Mehmood's Career

1942

* The 'Leave India Campaign' targeting the British was started. Mufti Mahmood took part in the campaign on behalf of Jamiat ul Ulema Hind. He was not only elected as Member of Majlis e Amila of Jamiat ul Ulema Hind NWFP but also as Councillor of All India Jamiat ul Ulema Hind.

1943

* President of Jamiat ul Ulema Hind Sheikh ul Islam Maulana Hussein Ahmad Madni toured NWFP and Mufti Mahmood accompanied him during the tours.

1946

* All India Jamiat ul Ulema Hind conducted a historical conference at Saharanpur where Mufti Mahmood participated as representative of NWFP. He also stood for elections in India the same year and made Abdul Khel his permanent home.

1949

* Participated in the Jamiat ul Ulema Islam Central Convention at Multan.

1950

* Appointed for teaching job in Madrassa Qasim ul Uloom in Multan. Later on, he also served at positions of chief Mudaras, In charge of Education, Chief Mufti, Sheikh ul Hadith, and Muhtamim. As a Mufti, he passed on at least 25,000 Fatawas.

1953

* Participated in the Tehreek e Khatm e Naboowat and was arrested.

1954

* Leadership structure of Jamiat ul Ulema Islam was re-organized. Maulana Ihtesham ul Haq Thanvi separated from the party.

1956

* In October, he was elected as vice-president of Jamiat ul Ulema Islam Pakistan in the Multan Convention.
* Struggled against the One-Unit of Pakistan. He was arrested because of his demands for provincial autonomy and civil liberties.
* Heavily criticized the constitution and demanded amendments to it.

1958

* Ayub Khan declared Martial Law as a result of which all political parties were banned including that of Jamiat ul Ulema Islam
* Deeni Madaris throughout Pakistan decided to have a uniform syllabus for which Wifaq ul Madaris ul Islamia was established. Mufti Mahmood was elected as its first Secretary General.

1962

* In April, he stood for elections for the National Assembly Seat for the first time despite Ayub Khan's invoking of the Basic Democracy Program and defeated all opponents
* On 14th July, when law was passed to re-instate all the Political Parties, Mufti Mahmood took charge of Jamiat Ulema Islam as Qaim Maqam Ameer

1963

* Toured East Pakistan in January and reinforced the position of Jamiat Ulema Islam there as well.
* In March, he advocated against Family Planning policy making of the government in the National Assembly and started a massive campaign against it on national level.
* The Central Meeting of Jamiat Ulema Islam was held in Lahore on 28 October. Hazrat Maulana Abdullah Darkhwasti was appointed as Ameer, and Mufti Mahmood was appointed Naib Ameer.

1964

* In January, on the celebration of Al Azhar University Cairo's 1000 years, President Jamal Abdul Nasir invited Maulana Muhammad Yusuf Binori, Maulana Ghulam Ghaus Hazarvi, Maulana Taj ul Islam, and Maulana Mufti Mahmood to Egypt.
* A bill was proposed in Parliament for Islamic Amendments in the Constitution but due to the negative traits of the opposition and coalition parties, it was not seen through.

1965

* In May, Mufti Mahmood gave a talk at "Majlis Al Jaus Al Islamia" in Egypt and was widely appreciated by visiting scholars from throughout the world.

1966

* In January, The Tashkent Treaty was deeply criticized because of its secretive nature and that the nation was not aware of its salient points.
* A campaign was started against the anti-Islam teachings of the "Tehqeeqat e Islam" and its director Dr. Fazl ur Rahman

1967

* The Tehqeeqat e Islam issued a Fatwa which made it 'Halal' to eat meat which was slaughtered via the western method (i.e. Machine) to which Mufti Mahmood's started a campaign. With reasons from the Quran and Sunnah, he proved them wrong. Mufti e Azam Maulana Muhammad Shafi had given the approval of the Fatwa but after Mufti Mahmood's indulgence into the matter, it was taken back.
* In June, Israel attacked Egypt. Mufti Mahmood and his party voiced their support for Egypt and started a boycott of Israeli products.

1968

* In February, the International Islamic Conference was held in Rawalpindi in which Dr. Fazl ur Rahman, Janab Masood, and Jafar Shah submitted their highly erroneous and non-traditional research work in Islam. Mufti Mahmood vehemently opposed them and proved their research wrong with counter arguments. Visiting dignitaries and scholars from around the world highly appreciated Mufti Mahmood for his efforts.
* On 8 January, the Pakistan's political parties formed a coalition of "Jamhoori Majlis e Amal" in Dhaka and Mufti Mahmood was one of the Central Leadership of this party.

1969

* On 10 March, The Jamhoori Majlis e Amal and the Ayub Khan Regime held a round table conference in which Mufti Mahmood put forward his 22 points on behalf of all religious parties of Pakistan.

1970

* In May, Pakistan's 18 Religious and Political Parties formed a "Muttahida Deeni Mahaz" and Mufti Mahmood was appointed its President.
* In December, Elections were held and Mufti Mahmood had a landslide victory over Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in the Dera Ismail Khan constituency.

1971

* On 3rd March, the parliamentary group of the minority parties held a session at Lahore instead of the Parliament house because the Muslim League and the Peoples Party were in direct conflict with each other as a result of which the political scene was very unstable. The minority parties held this separate session to show their non-involvement in the affairs of the major parties. This was the last step to save the country from disintegration. Mufti Mahmood presided the session.
* In July, Mufti Mahmood toured the Middle East and was accompanied by Maulana Ghulam Ghaus Hazarvi Rahmatullah Alaihe
* In 4 December, an Ijtima was held in Lahore in which millions participated in retaliation for India's attack on Pakistan. Mufti Mahmood issued a Fatwa for Jehad on this occasion.
* On 24 December, a commission was formed to investigate the facts behind the fall of Dhaka. Mufti Mahmood voiced his opinion which was compiled under the supervision of Justice Hamood ur Rahman.
* Bhutto offered Mufti Mahmood minister ship in the centre but he did not accept it and instead demanded the approval of Islamic Laws by the Government.

1972

* On 26 March, the three main political parties of the country entered a coalition. The agreement was signed between Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto from Peoples Party, Abdul Wali Khan from National Awami Party, and Mufti Mahmood from Jamiat e Ulema Islam.
* On 1 May, Mufti Mahmood took oath as Chief Minister of the NWFP and on this occasion took the following steps:
o Forbidding Alcohol
o Urdu as Official Language in Government Circles
o Forbidding Western Dresses (Pants) in Government Departments
o Jahaiz Act
o Ban on Betting
o Educational Reforms (Quranic Knowledge a pre-requisite for admission in educational institutions)
o Enforcing Pardah
o Respect for Ramazan Ordinance
o Ban on Interest
o Friday as Holiday
o and formation of a Board for formalizing Islamic Laws

1973

* In February, a botched attempt was made to assassinate Mufti Mahmood.
* On 15 February, Mufti Mahmood resigned from chief minister position as protest for the unfair dismissal of the Balochistan Government.
* From 15 February to 21 February, the Government offered various incentives to Mufti Mahmood to lure him to take back his decision but he refused.
* In February, many political parties in Pakistan formed a coalition of the "Muttahida Jamhoori Mahaz" for which Mufti Mahmood was appointed as Vice-President.
* In August, a civil disobedience movement was started against the negative attitude of the government. Mufti Mahmood played a central role in it.

1974

* In April, Mufti Mahmood addressed a grand gathering of Jamiat Tuleba Islam at Karachi University.
* In May, Mufti Mahmood played a central role in the Tehreek Khatm e Naboowat along with Maulana Yusuf Binori.
* On 30 June, 137 members of the National Assembly proposed a resolution demanding the Qadianis as Kafirs and Mufti Mahmood's name was at the top of the list.
* On 1st July, the National Assembly approved the resolution for debate in the assembly. The Leader of the Qadianis, Mirza Nasir made an unprovoked aggressive attack on Mufti Mahmood in parliament as a result of which the rest of the members of the assembly came to know the real nature of the Qadianis.
* On 22 August, a sub-committee of the National Assembly was formed in which Maulana Mufti Mahmood, Professor Abdul Ghafoor, Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani, Chaudhry Zahoor Elahi, Ghulam Farooq, Sardar Maula Bakhsh Soomro, and Abdul Hafiz Pirzada played a part. The committee formalized a report by the 5th of September and as a result the final nail in the coffin was put on the 7 of December, in which Qadianis were termed a non-Muslim minority and the issue was resolved.

1975

* On 22 April, an assassination attempt was made on Mufti Mahmood in Sajawal in District Thattha, in Sindh.

1976

* In February, A bomb blast in Peshawar University resulted in the death of Hayat Muhammad Sherpao. Abdul Wali Khan was arrested and Mufti Mahmood was appointed as the Opposition Leader in the National Assembly.

1977

* On 11 January, All Political and National parties in Pakistan formed a coalition and appointed Mufti Mahmood as the leader of this coalition.
* On 7 March, Mufti Mahmood contested elections from Dera Ismail Khan constituency and won with a good margin. But due to large scale irregularities in the elections, Mufti Mahmood laid a crucial role in protests that erupted throughout the country.
* On 10 March, the provincial elections were boycotted and a protest campaign was started while acting as president of Pakistan Qaumi Ittehad
* Mufti Mahmood fell ill during the Tehreek Nizam e Mustapha. He was injured as well and despite his ill-health, he played a leading role and toured the length and breadth of Pakistan in his campaigns.
* According to the Defence of Pakistan Rules, Mufti Mahmood was arrested in Lahore. He was first held in Rawalpindi Jail and then shifted to Haripur Jail.
* On 13 March, Mufti Mahmood started negotiations with Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. He was representing the Pakistan Qaumi Ittehad.
* On 29 June, the Pakistan Qaumi Ittehad presented a set of demands to the Prime Minister
* On 1st of July, on Friday, and on 2nd of July, the negotiations with the government continued all night. Mufti Mahmood announced that unless a decision was reached, they will continue talks continuously.
* On 3 July, the Pakistan Qaumi Ittehad met the Prime Minister's team for the final meeting.
* On 5 July, General Muhammad Zia ul Haq enforced Martial Law in the country. Maulana Mufti Mahmood was arrested again.

1978

* Mufti Mahmood collaborated with the Government for enforcing Nizam e Mustapha. But later on, after sensing that the Military Regime was trying to impose themselves on the nation in pretext of Islamic Law, Mufti Mahmood criticized the army approach.

1979

* Afghanistan was attacked by Russians. Mufti Mahmood issued Fatwa for Jehad against the Russians and the puppet regime in Afghanistan. A military campaign was started for the Jehad which is still in existence after the eviction of the Russians in the form of the Taleban movement.

1980

* Issued vote of confidence in General Zia ul Haq's Islamization reforms and issued a Fatwa against the collection of Zakat Tax by the Government. He also established the MRD in the same year.
* On 13 October, Mufti Mahmood prepared for Hajj and arrived at Karachi.
* On 14 October, He was addressing Ulema Karam and various Mufti e Azams in Jamiat ul Uloom al Islamia Binori Town when all of a sudden his soul departed and like this instead of going to Allah's house in Makka, he went to meet Allah himself.
* On 15 October, his body was transferred from Karachi to Multan, and then via plane to Dera Ismail Khan where he was buried i

both Yasser and Majumdar bhai are being disingenuous by claiming Gandhi was a casteist all his life.

I can understand Mantolives' position of setting up shop in Pakistan on a anti-Gandhi agenda.

But can't figure out why Majumdar buys the Gandhi is 'casteist' line inspite of Gandhi's actions being the opposite, like supporting his son to marry outside of caste .

Majumdar,

I have sent you a time line of mufti mahmood's life - second email.

It shows that he remained a congressite supporter to the end ...

It also shows that he merged with JUI in 1949 and that in 1956 the pro-ML faction left the JUI leaving behind JUH remnants in charge of the new JUI.

Kindly post the timeline here and on unplugged on my behalf as "Life of Mufti Mahmood Congress ally and JUH and JUI-
F leader".