Reckoning Time for HEC

Will someone please tell Dr. Hoodbhoy to stop crying over the GRE standards? GRE can never be a estimate of a person's *intelligence* or *qualification level* for a PhD, if you will. No wonder its not endorsed by many leading universities around the globe. Even the ETS(testing authority for the GRE) has had several objections to its testing criteria over the years from within the USA.

Scoring highly in GRE requires a superior grip over the english language. By all my due respect Dr. Hoodbhoy, not everyone is as lucky as you to be educated in an elite schooling system. Please stop making fun of the lesser privileged cross-section of the society who can only make it to *ordinary* schools, having dismal standards of english teaching, and yet some how manage to compete at the highest level.

While I respect Dr. Hoodbhoy immensely and value his opinions greatly, I do think that his criticism of Dr. Ata-ur-Rahman is overdone in Pakistan's context. In my humble opinion, it's not all doom and gloom in Pakistan. For the first time in the nation's history, Dr. Rahman succeeded in getting tremendous focus and major funding increases for higher education in Pakistan. According to Sciencewatch, which tracks trends and performance in basic research, citations of Pakistani publications are rising sharply in multiple fields, including computer science, engineering, mathematics, material science and plant and animal sciences. Over two dozen Pakistani scientists are actively working on the Large Hadron Collider; the grandest experiment in the history of Physics. Pakistan now ranks among the top outsourcing destinations, based on its growing talent pool of college graduates. As evident from the overall results, there has been a significant increase in the numbers of universities and highly-educated faculty and university graduates in Pakistan. There have also been some instances of abuse of incentives, opportunities and resources provided to the academics in good faith. The quality of some of the institutions of higher learning can also be enhanced significantly, with some revisions in the incentive systems. But overall, I would have an Ata-ur-Rehman in charge of education rather than Mir Hazar Khan Bijrani, the current education minister.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 106

nkg,

I read somewhere that early in his career he applied for a job at Pakistan Steel. As I read this many years ago, I don't remember the source anymore but will now try to trace it out. This might well be incorrect information. Many thanks for correcting me. I reacted to comment made in # 89:

"Dr Abdus Salam trying his hardest to serve his country ... but constantly being shunned away ... do you have a theory on that"

Re: # 96
Viewer....
I think you have mixed up matters...
That fellow (APJ Abdul....) is Tamil, a pure vegetarian and very close to RSS. It is very utopian to imagine that this fellow was planning to migrate to Pakistan. He may not be great scientist, but good academician and materials engineer. He was associated with ISRO/DRDO from begining ( after B.E from a Tamil Engineering college). Have you ever heard his accents? He has received PhD degree much later (not through regular PhD course).....

Re: # 35
Ahmed...
"IIT engineers are building bridges in India and why they are coming down fast within year?
Here also it happened in Karachi after it was opened with great fanfare.
Now beitish engineers built 100 of thousands of bridges for railways and all are still strong.
Those engineers were not trained in IIT but they were not trained at all but hands on education . They built bridges made up of steel. All bridges built here and there came down are all concrete bridges. Now if you want bridges built of steel not concrete as they put mitti 10% instead of cement and engineers approves bill and bribe is part of bridge instead of cment. Engineer Babu can not steel so steel bridge is best preference for..."

When Brits built these bridges, RC technology was in its inception stage. What Brit engineers built was not economical. Furthermore, RC takes little time to settle. When the contractors under pressure from the site engineer or political pressure try to squeeze time, you see all sorts of problems...

I used to admire Howrah Bridge ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howrah_Bridge) and flaunt to my friends about association of my college with the bridge, until my Civil enginerring friends (hostel mate and partner in cards) pointed out that the structure is very costly and in modern world, it is absolute stupidity to build such bridge...

Re: # 101 which countries stated seeding of IITs and do they still provide money or education courses etc?

There is nothing wrong in IIT going out. One can consider human export and educated human as product for export as he brings dollars back. Also it keeps general termoil more controlled as this intelligent people if not trained and induced foreign dream if they back at home can be dangerous. Many intelligent people ( men , women and others ) if not lured by money and love can get high on Revolutionary Romanticism. That can be extremely dangerous. Intelligent Human can be extremely dangerous and they need to contained by chains of foreign going hope, that cripples all extra curricular activities.

Re: # 4
Ahmed....

"We should develop institutions of higher learing and be named Pakistan Muslim institute of Technolgy...."

Entire post is very funny...
You have invented something called Muslim THINKER....This is kind of oxymoron...

Then moslem technology.....
I was reading one article that Malayasia's car company Proton in Iran's Khordo motor are going to produce a Moslem car.... what technology they will contribute towards this SPECIAL car? A Compass attached to the car, which will always point to Meccca's temple of Kabba...and a timer which will blare in Arabic 5 times as prescribed by Mo The Barbarian (A 7th Century Beduine production)....
So, what this moslem technology will look like?
Your 6th century BC ancestors (if you don't think that, you are descendent of central asian or arab barbarians) created one of the finest universities of the world in Takshashila. Please analyse, where you have lost out. Otherwise, it will be like story of American rowing team vis a vis Japanese rowing team...more infusion of arab barbarism(Islam) and more deviation from mainstream civilisation....

I have already written, why IITians end up on the lap of US corporates rather than Indian companies...

#47 Dawa Deal

"Is it our national character that we dont pay tribute ..acknowledge and even consider the 'Silent Heroes' for what they are doing for Pakistan and islamic world. We kept that Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan under seige who made aur defence unbeatable and gave us the most dangerous weapon of 1400 years...."

Dawa Deal, for the time being forget about Pakistan. Had this fellow( A Q Khan) is the first person, who created such technology? Answer - Big NO.
Had he made these equipments from his own experiment? - Answer- Big NO. He is treated as technology smuggler from the Europe. Now, you may find similar heroes in Libya, North Korea etc... Worked as mechanic in European countries and aped their products.....If you treat such fellow as Scientific Hero, then your nation will be at that level only (smuggling and aping)...

Re: # 54
Ahmed, Arjun....

In recent years, couple of IIT people started working on local technologies.

The brain drain (from IITs) is direct result of Nehruvian stupidity (his hallmark). Engineering and technical education should not be treated in isolation with industry. While GoI sponsoring education modelled after US ( IITs are modelled after MIT), the same Govt. prohibiting US industries to setup factory and shop here in India!!!! And you do not expect brain drain!!!!!

# 96

A BRIEF BIOGRAPHY OF Dr. A. P. J. Abdul Kalam

Born on 15th October 1931 at Rameswaram, in Tamil Nadu, Dr. Avul Pakir Jainulabdeen Abdul Kalam, specialized in Aero Engineering from Madras Institute of Technology.

He initially worked in DRDO in 1958 and then joined ISRO in 1963. Dr. Kalam has made significant contribution to Indian satellite and launch vehicles of ISRO and also in the missile programme of DRDO. As project Director, SLV-III, he contributed for the design, development and management of India’s first indigenous Satellite Launch Vehicle (SLV-III) to inject Rohini satellite in the near earth orbit. He was responsible for the evolution of ISRO’s launch vehicles programme and configurations. He rejoined DRDO in 1982 and conceived the Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP) for indigenous missiles.

He was Scientific Adviser to Defence Minister and Secretary, Department of Defence Research & Development from July 1992 to December 1999. Dr. A. P. J. Abdul Kalam was the eleventh President of India, serving from 2002 to 2007.

Also, there are several reasons why many Muslims would consider him a "Traitor" to the faith.. :) If interested, look it up in Wiki.

Viewer,

The last president of India and the architect of Indian Missiles.

Thanks. Actually his name is APJ Abul Kalam, "Azad" was never a part of his name. Both his Phdship in Cam and his application to Pak Steel Mills are new facets to his personality, unknown to the average Indian.

Being a muslim, after getting PhD from Cambridge he applied for job in Pakistan back in late forties or early fifties

Must have been early 50s. "Cos in late 40s he wud have been only 18 (Kalam sahib was born in 1931) so cud not have completed his Phd so early.

Anyways, I am glad PSM "shunned" him away.

Another piece of nugget for you. Mr Hasham Premji, father of Azim (prolly the richest self-made Muslim) was offered a ministry by MAJ (pbuh) but he refused.

Regards

Re: # 97; majumdar

sad but true ... and it wasn't just Zia but the people from his beloved Jhang!

Cheema sahib,

When DR Salam died, his grave was proposed to have an epitaph which said "A great Muslim scientist" Zia in his mean mindedness removed the word Muslim from it (I hope the story I have heard is true).

Ironically, Zia may have done a good thing for once, a great scientist like that cannot belong to one faith or one nation.

Regards

Re: # 93
The last president of India and the architect of Indian Missiles. Being a muslim, after getting PhD from Cambridge he applied for job in Pakistan back in late forties or early fifties when Indian Muslims were allowed to get Pakistani citizenship.

Re: # 93; majumdar
I believe he was the president of your country until recently

Re: # 92
But he could not involve in such top class Reserach in Pakistan as he didi in Cambridge or Imperial.

Viewer,

Who is Mr Kalam Azad?

Regards

Re: # 90; dawa behen

yes .. but his biggest regret was not being let back in his beloved homeland and live with some grace and dignity

Re: # 89

I was told that Kalam Azad was also "shunned away" by Pakistan Steel Mill when he tried to get a job there. He then had to move from UK to India.

still he served a lot like PAEC and SUPARCO all by Dr. Salam. He enrolled many students at his group from Pakistan at Imperial and ICTP italy.

Re: # 86; majumdar

thank you sir .. I am sure those 'mutids' would be very happy to hear that

dawa behen ... what's your take on Dr Abdus Salam trying his hardest to serve his country ... perhaps the same way as Sabieh ... but constantly being shunned away ... do you have a theory on that

(and before anyone gets ideas, like viewer sahib, I am a sunni/hanafi too and NOT ahmedi)

Re: # 87
Thanks Viewer bhai :)

Re: # 82

Sabieh is a great man.

Cheema sahib,

I love murtids too!

Regards

Dawa behen,

People like Mr Sabieh and Dr AQ Khan are true patriots. My salaam to them.

Regards

Re: # 80; viewer

majumdar sahib is in love with mirzais ... he was just "reaching out"!

Re: # 79

Definitely I agree.

However, being treated as a 3rd class citizen in one's home country is what hurts.

what makes those people gather at LUMS. Sabieh was working in Oxford, Berkeley, Lawrence Berkeley Lab, can easily get 60K $ per annum. But he was riding his Honda 70 and going to different top Pakistan engineering/science institutions to to let pstudents know whats happeneings in field of quantum Computation and Nanotechnology at Oxford and Berkeley.


He was doing it for his country but some people have personal priorities, luxuries first. Difference is much

Re: # 79; dawa behen

true ... though one can only make that comparison by 'venturing out' don't you reckon? I have to go but like I said many a times before, I'd love to discuss this (and other subjects of your liking) with you ... sometime soon

Re: # 77

I am sunni muslim. Do the two events I mentioned in #73 that remain in my memory have anything to do with being mirzaee?

Re: # 74 true, not blamming all or pointing in general.Immigrants are contributing a lot in foriegn reserves. But its a joke to say that Pakistan is a hell hole and rest all world is Utopia.Every country , every culture has its own problems , boundaries, limitations, plus and minuses. Above all, Pakistan is our homeland and certainly not any other country fill this place.

Re: # 73; viewer
[[However, unfortunately, I certainly remember being treated as a "3rd Class Citizens" a few times in my own home country: Pakistan.]]

well said sir!

Viewer sahib,

All of my imprints from memory of being treated as a 3rd class citizen come from Pakistan.

Are you a Mirzaee by any chance?

Regards

Re: # 74

I agree.

Dawa-i-Dil's argument using wording of "prejudice, looks, 3rd class citizen" carry no weight or value.

All of my imprints from memory of being treated as a 3rd class citizen come from Pakistan.

Re: # 73 exceptions are few but cannot overshadow what majority faced/facing
Regards

Re: # 72; dawa behen

there is a multitude of reasons for 'migration' of people ... it is an ever present phenomenon throughout the known history of man ... a lot of misconceptions I am afraid!

Re: # 70
dawa-i-dil writes:

"despite of all haardships, honour and dignity is not ruined as it is on J F Kanady or Heathrow, being naked, checking mobile history , calls, asking about any religious scripture carrying,and detain at airports for 55 hours. Racial looks, remarks,prejudice and above all living as 3rd Class citizens"

Re:
I have great respect for you if you really have these nationalistic feelings.

My story, unfortunately, tells me something else.

Though now living abroad for about a decade, I, perhaps luckily, never felt being treated as a "3rd Class Citizens."

However, unfortunately, I certainly remember being treated as a "3rd Class Citizens" a few times in my own home country: Pakistan.

The first time I had such a feeling was when I have to encounter a lady education councelor at the American Education Centre in Islamabad. I certainly remember her face and would like to slap her if I have another encounter.

The second time it happened when I went for lunch at the mess at my workplace in Pakistan and a man in khaki standing outside told me to leave as some General sahib is going to have lunch on that day. His eyes said "civilian bast*** to be out."

jee Cheema bhai, aik izzat hee tau hoti hai, ghurbat tau banda sah laita hai laikin bai izaati nai

Re: # 70; dawa behen,
[[My salam to such life !]]

I think you meant to say "Khuda hafiz" ... right?

Re: # 60

We have financial problems , but who will make up all this mess, some Mars creature no, we Pakistanis. If we start running from the country, it will be a coward act of leaving the battle ground as only courage less people run bbut courageous stay and face the difficulties. Financial crisi is even severe in US Europe today so running will not do something miraculous.

BTW, despite of all haardships, honour and dignity is not ruined as it is on J F Kanady or Heathrow, being naked, checking mobile history , calls, asking about any religious scripture carrying,and detain at airports for 5 5 hours. Racial looks, remarks,prejudice and above all living as 3rd Class citizens. My salam to such life !

Re: # 61 and may be this island turns the whole desert into flowery land. i only see the positive side , hope and bright side of a picture. Infact , this lesson is given to me by Respected Sabieh Anwar when i asked about the secret of his unbelieveable achievements, he replied only this, Positive Attitude and Never give up.Keep hope alive.

Re: # 61 and may be this island turns the whole desert into flowery land. i only see the positive side , hope and bright side of a picture. Infact , this lesson is given to me by Respected Sabieh Anwar when i asked about the secret of his unbelieveable achievements, he replied only this, Positive Attitude and Never give up.Keep hope alive.

Please have a look at "Dr Asim Hussain, new HEC chairman": www.interface.edu.pk/students/Oct-08/HEC-new-chairman.asp

Can someone try to find if this man (Dr Asim Hussain) has a PhD? Because of his coming from the profession of medicine, it is common in this area that people having MRCP, FRCS, FCPS etc may also be appointed as the chancellor of a medical university, which is a post he occupies presently.

Will it be fine and justified for thousands of PhD candidates sent abroad by HEC for their PhDs that this person is appointed as the new HEC chairman, who may not have a PhD himself?

One may then argue that if in a previous tenure PPP can install Jehangir Baddar as the Federal Minister of Science & Technology, who in his earlier career used to be an ex meter reader for electricity, then in its present tenure PPP can appoint any man from street an the new HEC chairman.

#64 Posted by majumdar on November 2, 2008 8:04:06 pm
"Dawa behen, Never mind your detractors. We want to read more on Pakistani Muslim scientists. Pls post."

Re:

Oh, indeed, Dawa behen please post as much as you like about Great Pakistani Muslim Scientists, living as well as dead.

Contrary to the impression conveyed by Majumdar, I also enjoy reading such accounts of geatness as they provide ground for good entainment & laughter that I direly need after a heavy lunch. Please go ahead with your sincere efforts.

Ahmedmadani in post #59 writes:

"Our high education has no hope as professors at most prestigeous univ carrying name of QAMA Jinnah find all time to produce all "political essays" here on regular basis"

Re:

Forget about "Higher Education", in fact even our "General Education" has NO HOPE because such and such BRIGADIER (no to mention the name) gets installed by military for his life time as the head of an academic institution.

Not the generals in GHQ, nor this BRIGADIER knows that his appointment is doing the greatest damage to education in this country.

When a professor, who has sound integrity, comes along and starts talking about this corruption in academics, he is quickly blamed of having been contributing only "political essays."

Have you got enough IQ to understand even the titles of Hoodbhoy's technical writings?

If you think you have, please make a survey in some chronicle of physics research before coming up with your non-sensical comments.

Dawa behen,

Never mind your detractors. We want to read more on Pakistani Muslim scientists. Pls post.

Regards

in #56 dawa-i-dil writes:

"This is just of 10 months of 2008 , only of SSE , not of IT and Manegement , there are alot of papers there also
http://sse.lums.edu.pk/facultyresearch.htm"

I wonder and ask what might be the real objectives of this much bombardment of information, combined with a lot appearing on web, about the SSE and its faculty members.

Is it to gain quick respect and reputation for this new research school opened in Lahore? I am afraid, this much bombardment is only going to damage SSE's reputation. After all, any genuine reputation and respect (on the international scene) can only be gained by hard work and via a painful process.

Can one of the memebers at the SSE come up to justify, on some rational ground, this cheap and quick way of gaining some attention? I argue that this strategy can do more damage than good.

However, in case someone thinks that this is the best and only way to impress fellow Pakistanis about the recent huge research achievements of SSE then I don't have else to say.

#59 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 2, 2008 4:30:39 pm


Our high education has no hope


madani sahab...pakis are already ahead in space technology...el-presidente mushy said so himself when pakiland launched paksat-1...

Re: # 55
dawa-i-dil writes:

"This is just of 10 months of 2008
http://sse.lums.edu.pk/facultyresearch.htm"

Re: This is indeed very impressive and my good and sincere wishes are with SSE that it further develops and its faculty gains the fame that is associated with the faculty of places like "Princeton", "Harvard", "MIT", "CALTECH" etc.

However, my worries are about a natural process called "assimilation" when an distinguished institution, an island created in the middle of desert, gradually becomes part of its surroundings and integrates into the wider community, from which it draws its intellectual resources in the form of students & faculty.

As the history shows, this is the time when decay starts, while we find ourselves unable to stop the decay. This is the time when the good founding fathers of the institution lose their focus and politics intervenes to take its toll. This the time when these founding fathers become surrounded by the great worries of daily existence.

As history shows (and as Prof. Faheem Hussain has written somewhere on your website) without a long standing strong political commitment at the national level, intellectual islands are quite likely to disappear in due course in a country like Pakistan.

And the dilemma is that you can't have this commitment unless you have a stable political system and a stable civic society whose vital organs are functioning well. This dilemma, unfortunately, does not disappear by simply saying "come on, we are a private university".

With these comments, I convey my best wishes to SSE.

in #51 dawa-i-dil writes:

"Just want to tell that People who are devoted to pakistan, they work no matter what"

Re: I appreciate and respect these feelings and wish that you persist in your decision to stay in Pakistan.

This country, of course, is in dire need of young, highly qualified, enthusiastic, energetic people like you.

However, as I see it, your good feelings are quite likely to evaporate in due course.

This is likely to happen as you see your youth to gradually move away from you, your children start attending private schools, and your are renting a house and are paying heavy bill despite persistent heavy loadshedding.

It is the time when you start thinking that perhaps there might had been much less day to day worries of daily living that are unrequired, illogical, non-sensical had you decided to leave the country a bit earlier.

These feeling strenghtem themselves as you notice that your worries are the outcomes of a bunch of corrupt rulers who have taken hold of power by illegal means, though cleverly using the slogan of "democracy", while their real intentions go nothing beyond than looting the poor masses of this ill-fated country.

"Hoodbhoy typo just jump all around with criticizing , weeping like lil childs instead of doing anything positive or constructive. Thier sole purpose is to make Pakistan Secularize, make the borders irrelevant."

Re: I disagree. Healthy criticism in all its forms is the most important element of any meaningful dialogue. In any developed country the proposed academic policies at national leven are often harshly cticized bafore a workable solution gradually takes some shape.

When Hoodbhoy points out some deficiencies & weaknesses of HEC, it provides HEC the opportunity to correct its course.

Out of curiosity, I happen to be a regular reader of Hoodbhoy's articles and I disagree you saying that the sole purpose (of his writings) is to make Pakistan secularize.

I believe that he has presented a healthy and often eye opening criticism of HEC.

That is another matter if you may like to close your eyes and start praising all of HEC's actions or, for that matter, all the actions of previous ruler.

Our high education has no hope as professors at most prestigeous univ carrying name of QAMA Jinnah find all time to produce all "political essays" here on regular basis and quitenotable frequency and no time for real teaching ?. Things not good when all writers are retired military officers on any subject.

#54 Posted by ahmedmadani on November 2, 2008 8:29:34 am

madani sahab...if you weren't a troll, i'd post the list of accomplished IIT alumni..then a comparison with LUMS alumni would show how far behind LUMS really is...

but i'll let you two trolls enjoy yourselves....

MIT Tech Review ppublish Reserach of Dr. Umar Saif on 18 august,2008

This is just of 10 months of 2008 , only of SSE , not of IT and Manegement , there are alot of papers there also


http://sse.lums.edu.pk/facultyresearch.htm

This is just of 10 months of 2008


http://sse.lums.edu.pk/facultyresearch.htm

Dawa E Dil Thanks for naming leading lights of LMUS.
LMUS is leading in management science and engineering in worlds educational institutes and envey of subcontinental elites.
Kindly give their published papers list in white journals and that is unfortunately test to separate brain and bran.
This will put the iit management depts to shame.
( please exclude seminar presentations and symposiums contributions)
It will be good if this expertise is used in improving country how it is run and it business. Ironic Sad part of LUMS and little inferior IITS is they produce product which is all exported to improve Microsoft, GM , GE , IMF, World bank and all White companies in white world but they have not helped local industry to improve . May be graduate may be little dumbed up so they can not get job in West and they can help out High Tech, Medium Tech , Low Tech or most Business which is No Tech. It has become like daughters to raise them and spend all efforts and they leave just like watering distant farmers fruit tree.
IF lums can not keep grads at Pakistan and they help no tech they are just TajMahals. Many times awam has no knowledge but wisdom. I was teaching/ coaching one student he was not bright but had wisdom. I told him you need to remember things so you can do better in exam he said what is use of this calculus and real analysis etc when you go to market and want to buy five apples? He was right.

This hoodboy is professor of Politics ?
He pushes Amerivcan and western Elite agenda rentlessly and they publish what about publishing some thing from Dr. AQ Khan real hero of nation and awam

BTW i dont belongs to LUMS

Just want to tell that People who are devoted to pakistan , they work no matter what the conditions, hip hops, ups and downs in the way but Hoodbhoy typo just jump all around with criticizing , weeping like lil childs instead of doing anything positive or constructive. Thier sole purpose is to make Pakistan Secularize, make the borders irrelevant.

Re: # 48 does not it relate the Higher education in Pakistan Hoodbhoy usual randi rona of bad manegement and HEC policies

Re: # 39-47

Dear Dawa-i-Dill Jee,

Please DO NOT use this site to advertise LUMS or LSSE. This strategy will only lead to a bad impression about the institution to which you belong in that the faculty there is opportunist to such an extent that they can leave no chance and will not hesitate to bombard even Chowk.com for marketing purpose.

Re: # 39-47

Dear Dawa-i-Dill Jee,

Could you please shed a little light on any imaginable use of cutting and pasting this much irrelevant and useless information? Does all of this cutting and pasting contribute to the discussion related to this article?

Is it our national character that we dont pay tribute ..acknowledge and even consider the 'Silent Heroes' for what they are doing for Pakistan and islamic world. We kept that Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan under seige who made aur defence unbeatable and gave us the most dangerous weapon of 1400 years.Media is so powerful today and 160 million people hear you daily.Why dont you not even mention this man who is the most genius man of the islamic world burning Cairo and Cordova flames after 1000 years...Your voice heard is whole Pakistan...not even a single column..not even a single news of this wonderful man what he is doing for Pakistan.He is so humble that he never show off for his work..but you people are the intellegencia..the intellectual core of Pakistan society...Your voice about him will be source of inspiration for thousands of curious science students of Pakistan.Look below what this man is doing for Pakistan and Ummah so silently !



Can anybody tell us.....

Whats in its body.....

blood...

or fire...

Bharkhti Aag nachhti hai is bandadai kee rago mai.....

in 2008...just in 7 months...this man...who is the General Secretary of Khwarzimic Science Society has arranged all this for students of Pakistan for Rs. 0.0

Apart from that ..he is one of the most genius man of the islamic world..as accepted by many people....a 26 year Doctrate from Oxford as Rhodes Scholar and Youngest PhD Advisor of Pakistan from HEC....,Pakistan leading Nanotechnologist and Quantum Computational expert.... the only Pakistani who got 779/850 in matriculation and just after that in just few months also gave O Level exams and got 9-A's, the Hall of Fame of Government College 78 years Debating History defeated the deabters of the whole world in an international debating contest...,worked on first Liquid State Quantum Computer of the World at Oxford,A former student of UET,Lahore,one and only Muhammad Sabieh Anwar



so anybody dares to compete him..and follow his footsteps...for what he is doing for Pakistan ..and islamic world.....


He is burning Cordova.. Cairo ,

Baghdad 's Flames after 1000 years...!


www.khwarzimic.org


Homepage of Sabieh Anwar Research Group:

http://ravi.lums.edu.pk/sabieh/




Abubakr Muhammad.....

His old time Crescent...Government College...UET..friend..Abubakr Muhammad...doing 3rd post doc at the age of 31 ...from McGIll...Abubakr..is also a visiting scientist ..of SSE,LUMS,Lahore....and Collaborator of Sabieh Anwar Research Group at SSE,LUMS,Lahore.He has completed 2 masters..1 PhD..2 Post Docs..in just 5 years..from Gerogia Tech..Pennsylvania...etc.....

http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~abubakar/index. html




MUHAMMAD SABIEH ANWAR

Look at this young man of "30" ..and see what he is doing for Pakistan !!

..His age..only 30 years ..and he has completed his Post Doc from University of California ..Berkeley....under world greatest NMR/MRI scientist Professor Alex Pines ...completed his PhD at 26 from Oxford Universiy.....as a Rhodes Scholar from Pakistan......got his Electrical Engineering from UET , Lahore.and got first position.......( 87%) ....broke the 10 years record of Goverment College,Lahore ..in FSc..by getting 961/1100 and got first position and over all fourth in Matriculations from Crescent Model School , Lahore getting 779/850 and also passed O Level Exams ..in just few months ..and got 9 A's...!!!!




He can get 5 or 6 lakh Rs / month ...means 60K $ per annum...while researching in US or be a part of any prestigious universty faculty....but ...look...he is serving his mother land..due to which ..he is now ..at this position ...he is presently working as a Assistant Professor.....at LUMS....SSE... Lahore ..Pakisatn....


Look at Sabieh Anwar picture...at Oxford .....white colour face..here...


and look at his picture ..when he just arrived at Berkeley, California ....dark colour ..and weak face....


http://qwiki.stanford.edu/wiki/Image:Sabieh1.jpg




Do you know the reason.....?????



This is because..in hot summer ..and months in Pakistan ...in 2004...he used to go to Pakistan top most educational institutions to teach the science and engineering students ...totally free..about the latest research going on in the world....on his motor cycle...


On his bike...in 45 Celsius.....from Punjab University ..to Goverment Collge...from UET..to COMSAT..from LUMS..to Quada-i-Azam ,University, Islamabad ...

He used to go Islambad ..3 days in a week...on Niazi Bus Service.. ..from Lahore and back to Lahore ....where he was giving lectures in Punjab University..UET..and GC etc etc...He could earn 6 lakh Rs ..easily with any world top most University in US or UK ....

but he was riding his Honda 70 ...on Lahore Roads ..in 45 Celsius ..to give this nation..and ummah..all...which he gained at Oxford and Berkeley . !!!!!

1000 runners , greedy..hawis parast doctors ..and professionals...members of AAPNA which have run from Pakistan ...for money..can be sacrifised on the boot toe of such a patriot..dedicated..selfless..and one of the top most science scholar of islamic world....for what he did for Pakistan and Ummah.....and still is doing....!!!!




School of Scienece and Engineering , SSE,LUMS, Lahore .

MUHAMMAD SABIEH ANWAR


Muhammad Sabieh Anwar completed his D.Phil. from the Department of Physics, Oxford University (UK) in 2004, where he studied as a Rhodes Scholar from Pakistan . His dissertation was titled, "Quantum Information Processing using Para-Hydrogen NMR" and revolved around the preparation of pure quantum states for quantum computing. This work also constituted the world first demonstration of quantum entanglement in the liquid state. Its the vbasic of world first liquid state quantum computer of the world.

His post-doctoral experience at the University of California , Berkeley ( USA ) involved the demonstration of hyperpolarized NMR using heterogeneous catalytic systems, microfluidic and "lab-on-a-chip" NMR, synthesis of precise magnetic fields for ex-situ NMR, algorithmic cooling, polarization lifetime studies and hypersensitive nanoparticle MRI. Prior to his doctoral studies Sabieh Anwar received his B.Sc. (Honours) degree in electrical engineering (electronics and communications) from the UET, Lahore .


Sabieh'scurrent research interests include quantum control, spin mechanisms in nanomagnetic materials and nanotechnology. His research has been published in the Physical Review Letters, A and B, Chemical Physics Letters, Analytical Chemistry, Journal of the American Chemical Society, Angewandte Chemie, Magnetic Resonance in Chemistry, Daltons Transactions and Modern Physics Letters B.

He has also taught at the

* Punjab University,

* UET (Lahore),

* National Centre for Physics ,Quada-i-Azam University (Islamabad)

* COMSATS Department of Physics (Islamabad) and has been an active speaker at many national and international physics / chemistry forums.

Dr. Sabieh is also the Joint Secretary and one of the founders of the Khwarzimic Science Society

http://www.khwarzimic.org-

a non-profit organization aiming at developing a science culture in Lahore 's educational institutions. This Association has organized about 150 events of different kinds with the objective of strengthening the popular image of the scientific content and method.




AWARDS

Dr. Sabieh is recipient of several awards including the Rhodes Scholarship (Rhodes Trust), G.A. Paul Scholarship ( University College , Oxford ), Aizaz-e-Sabqat (Government of Pakistan), Nishan-e-Haider Scholarship (GOP), Roll-of-Honour ( Government College , Lahore ) and gold medals from the Board of Intermediate and Secondary Education and Punjab Textbook Board.




WONDERS...

Khawarzimic science Society is a wonderful organization..anyone from any field ..and from any part of the world..can be its member.... Pakistan uper brains are its members...it was strted by Dr Sabieh and his father Dr Siddiqui ..in 1997 ..with only 2 or 3 memebers..and alhumdullilah ..now .its the biggest non profit pakistani based society...

When he was studying his D Phil..in Oxford as Rhodes Scholar..in vacation when he used to vist Pakistan ...he used to give totally free lectures to pakistan top most educational institutions like ....

* Punjab University ... Lahore
*UET.. Lahore
*FAST.. Lahore
* Government College ..Lahore
*Quada-i-Azam University Islamabad
* COMSAT ...Islamabad

about all which he was studying at Oxford....to keep pakistani students up to date with latest developments nano technology..and quantum computing....

All lectures were free...and large amout of young students benifited from them....

The Khawrzimic society also invited great scholars like Dr Pervez Hoodbhoy..and many other to its totally free public lectures....about new developments in science and physics...

after completing his PhD...He was previously teching ...in

* Quada-i-Azam University ...NCP(Natinal Centre of Physics).. Islamabad

* UET .. Lahore

* COMSAT


officaly..and privately gave some lectures ..in

* Government College Chemistry Department

*CASP(Centre for Advandced Studies in Physics) , Goverment College Lahore ...

* FAST NUCES University ...

* LUMS...

then after 6 months he went for his post doctoral in Berkeley ..under world top NMR(Nuclear Magnetic Resonance..an advanced form of MRI..Magnetic Resonance Imaging used extensively in medical field) ...Professor Alex Pines..of PINES LABS...


He also worked in LAWRENCE BERKELEY LAB there..a lab ..which is under US energy department mostly..and very few blessed students get a chance to work there...



Here is the link of Pines Labs....Profesor Alex Pines and his achievements...his students are wordly known as PINEUTS ...I think he is the only Pakistani may be first Muslim ..to be PINENUT...Here is a link of Professor Alex Pines

www.waugh.cchem.berkeley.edu





Flight...

All those who want to know about

Sabieh flight of thoughts ..

his aims ..

his goals ..

and his spellbound English

and purpose of his wonderful ..rather Pakistan most famous non profit science organization..just click on that....


http://www.khwarzimic.org/frontline/perspectives.pdf


http://w ww.khwarzimic.org/frontline/profile.pdf






Previous assignments


Post-doctoral physicist at the Department of Chemistry, University of California, Berkeley and the Materials Science Division, Lawrence Berkeley National Lab, Berkeley (I am an old Pinenut - member of Alex Pines's research group.)

Visiting research Associate, National Centre for Physics, Quaid-e-Azam University , Islamabad , Pakistan .


Visiting Assistant Professor, Department of Physics, COMSATS Institute of Information Technology, Islamabad .


Previous courses taught


"Quantum Computing" at Al-Khawarizimi Institute, University of Engineering and Technology, Lahore , Oct-Dec 2004.

"Quantum Computation and Information" at National Centre for Physics, Quaid-e-Azam University , Islamabad , Dec 2004.

"Modern Physics" (B.Sc.) at Department of Physics, Punjab University, Lahore 2004.

"Experimental quantum computing" at Department of Physics, COMSATS Institute of Information Technology , Islamabad .

"Photonics" (M.Sc.) at Department of Electrical Engineering, University of Engineering and Technology, Lahore 2004.



Active Research Themes:

algorithmic cooling of spin states and recyclable spin polarization

singlet lifetime enhancement

power of a single bit of quantum information in the context of NMR

efficient quantum state tomography with a given quorum of observables

geometric phases in magnetic resonance imaging (MRI)

quantum control using exponential product formulas

quantum computing with electron and nuclear spin states nanoparticle MRI

nanomagnetic spring exchange magnets




So who will follow him!!! Look below the wonders of Sabieh Anwar ,






Role of Nanomaterials in Drug delivery and Cancer at SSE, LUMS ,Lahore.
http://sse.lums.edu.pk/events_workshop_july28-29_2008.htm Seminar:


Seminar:
Biomaterials for Tissue Engineering
Speaker: Dr. Hassna R Ramay,, School of Science and Engineering, LUMS, Lahore
Venue: School of Biological Sciences, University of the Punjab, Lahore
Time and Date: 1/24/2008 (month/day/year)


Seminar:
New Directions for Climate Change and Development Policy
Speaker: Dr. John Gowdy, Department of Economics, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, USA
Venue: Institute of Biochemistry and Biotechnology, University of the Punjab, Lahore
Time and Date: 3/18/2008 (month/day/year)



Seminar:
Is reality really real?: From Albert Einstein to John Bell and beyond
Speaker: Dr. M. Suhail Zubairy, Institute for Quantum Studies, Texas A&M University, Texas, USA
Venue: University of the Punjab, Lahore
Time and Date: 5/5/2008 (month/day/year)
Seminar:


Seminar:
Quantum Computing: Myth or Reality?
Speaker: Dr. Muhammad Sabieh Anwar, School of Science and Engineering, LUMS, Lahore.
Venue: University of Management and Technology, 2S 43 South Block UMT, C-II Johar Town Lahore 54770
Time and Date: 7/15/2008 (month/day/year)
Seminar:



Seminar:
DNA Hybridization on Surfaces Seminar:
Understanding Cell Matrix Interactions: From Fundamental Thermodynamics to Applications in Tumor Metastasis
Speaker: Dr. Muhammad Hamid Zaman, The University of Texas at Austin, USA.
Venue: Institute of Biochemistry and Biotechnology, University of the Punjab, Lahore.
Time and Date: 8/5/2008 (month/day/year)



Seminar:
DNA Hybridization on Surfaces
Speaker: Fouzia Bano, SISSA International School of Advanced Studies, Trieste, Italy.
Venue: Centre for Solid State Physics, University of the Punjab, Lahore.
Time and Date: 7/28/2008 (month/day/year)





Events of 2007



Seminar:
Magnetic Resonance: From Brain Tissue to Chloroform Computers
Speaker: Dr. Sabieh Anwar, School of Science and Engineering, LUMS, Lahore
Venue: Institute of Biochemistry and Biotechnology, Punjab University, New (Quaid-e-Azam) Campus, PU, Lahore
Time and Date: 5/9/2007 (month/day/year)



Seminar:
From Galileo to Darwin: A Story of Science-Religion Interactions
Speaker: Dr. Salman Hameed, Assistant professor of Integrated Science & Humanities at Hampshire College, Massachussetts, United States
Venue: Aiwan-e-Iqbal, Egerton Road, Lahore
Time and Date: 7/14/2007 (month/day/year)



Workshop:
National Workshop on Crystal Structure Determination Using Powder X-ray Diffraction
Speaker: a) Dr. Falak Sher, Dr. N.M. Butt, c) Dr. Saadat A. Siddiqi, d) Dr. Sabieh Anwar, e) Dr. Arshad Bhatti, f) Dr. Umair Manzoor, g) Menges Goetz, Visit: http://www.khwarzimic.org/xrd for details and registration.
Venue: Centre for Solid State Physics, Punjab University, Quaid-e-Azam Campus, Lahore
Time and Date: 8/17/2007 (month/day/year




Symposium:
Science and Muslim Civilisation
Speaker: Prof. George Saliba (Columbia University), Prof. Noman-ul-Haque (LUMS) and Prof. Basit Bilal Koshul (LUMS),
Venue: Aiwan-e-Iqbal, Egerton Road, Lahore
Time and Date: 11/4/2007 (month/day/year)



Seminar:
The Shape of Space: M-Branes and 11-Dimensional Geometry
Speaker: Prof. Dr. Tasneem Zehra Husain, School of Science and Engineering, LUMS, Lahore
Venue: Department of Physics, Punjab University, Quaid-e-Azam (New) Campus, Lahore
Time and Date: 11/27/2007 (month/day/year)




And all is done by this man...of unbelieveable brain.... for his home country...Pakistan and Ummah... Muhammad Sabieh Anwar...

fasten your belts, Village, Copper n Kettle , Arsenal, Chelsea and live hot political debates are no more !


hehe...i pray for poor chicks and guys


http://ravi.lums.edu.pk/physlab/docs/background.pdf


http://ravi.lums. edu.pk/physlab/photos.html#32


LUMS SSE | Course Websites

http://sse.lums.edu.pk/coursewebsites.htm


Physics Lab 1

http://ravi.lums.edu.pk/physlab/


Staff (Faculty Incharge Dr. Muhammad Sabieh Anwar)

http://ravi.lums.edu.pk/physlab/staff.html



List of Experiments

http://ravi.lums.edu.pk/physlab/experiments.html


Photos
htt p://ravi.lums.edu.pk/physlab/photos.html

LUMS VPDT

http://sse.lums.edu.pk/vpdt.htm

This is a strat of that school , i think from 6 October,2008 and first batch will be out in 2012. So at start less UG programs but as time pass , momentum will grow with hiring more faculty, more funds , more HEC support and new disciplines will be evident. It will be new blend, a new flavour something different from usual 4 years program courses offered by other universities. Something i found here




Recommended Curriculum for Eligibility to SSE

We believe that students who excel in a curriculum like the one listed below are well-suited for academic rigor of the programs offered at SSE:

4 years of Mathematics (including Calculus)
2 years of all basic sciences (Biology, Chemistry, Physics)
3 years of English (4 years recommended)

http://sse.lums.edu.pk/undergraduatemajors.htm




Curricul um of LUMS SSE

http://sse.lums.edu.pk/ourcurriculum.htm



Textbooks of SSE LUMS


http://sse.lums.edu.pk/ourtextbooks.htm

Fridoon Jawad Ahmad
Visiting Faculty, Biology
Ph.D., University of Wisconsin, Madison
M.S., University of Wisconsin, Madison
B.S., University of Wisconsin, Madison

Research Interests
Stem Cells Biography

Dr. Fridoon Ahmad received his Bachelor's degree from University of Wisconsin-Madison in Genetics. He continued his education at the same university and earned a PhD. in cellular and molecular biology. He later joined Northwestern University and then Drexel University. His research interests include stem cell based therapy to repair damaged organs, cell architecture and force generation. He has published several research papers in prominent research journals and co authored Encyclopedia of Life Science (Macmillan Publishers, London). Dr. Fridoon currently also holds a HEC Foreign Faculty Professor position at King Edward Medical College.






Falak Sher
Assistant Professor, Chemistry
Ph.D., University of Cambridge
M.Sc., University of the Punjab, Lahore
Research Interests
Synthesis and Properties of Electronic and Magnetic Transition Metal Oxides

Dr. Falak Sher is working as an Assistant Professor of Chemistry at the School of Science and Engineering (SSE), LUMS. Before this, he worked in the same capacity for three years at the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering, PIEAS, Islamabad. He obtained his PhD degree in Chemistry from the University of Cambridge, UK. His research interests are in the field of synthesis and properties of interesting magnetic and electronic perovskite materials. He has a number of publications in the journals of international repute.






Faheem Hussain
Professor, Physics
Ph.D., Imperial College, London
M.Sc., Imperial College, London
B.Sc., University of London

Research Interests
Theoretical Physics

Dr. Faheem Hussain received his Ph.D. in 1966 in Theoretical Physics from Imperial College, London, working in Professor Abdus Salam’s group; he has undergraduate degrees in Physics and Mathematics from the University of Punjab and in Physics from the University of London. He was a Research associate at the Enrico Fermi Institute, University of Chicago from 1966 to 1968; from 1968 he was on the faculty of the Department of Physics at Quaid-i-Azam University first as Associate Professor and then as Professor from 1985 till his departure from QAU in 1989; he was the Chairman of the Department of Physics from 1975 to 1977. He has also taught at the Garyounis University, Benghazi, Libya, and has been a visiting professor at the Johannes-Gutenberg University, in Mainz, Germany. From 1990 to 2004, he worked as a Senior Staff Scientist at the Abdus Salam International Centre for Theoretical Physics, Trieste, Italy. There he was originally involved in developing the High Energy Physics Diploma program. This very successful program helps train young graduates from the developing countries to start research in physics. He was in charge of the Office of External Activities of the Centre for six years. This office is concerned with helping physicists and mathematicians in the developing countries; through financial assistance for equipment, student grants, visiting scholars and the organization of scientific meetings. His research interests in physics have always been in theoretical elementary particle physics. Presently he is working in superstring theory, the physics of extra dimensions and non-commutative geometry. Professor Hussain has published extensively in the field of theoretical elementary particle physics. He has also published articles on the problems of scientific and technological development of the poor countries.






Zartash Afzal Uzmi
Associate Professor
Ph.D., Stanford University

Research Interests
Restoration Routing and Traffic Engineering, Routing Protocols, Algorithms for Reliability in High Speed Communication Networks, Digital Switching and Transmission and Wireless Communication Systems

Zartash Uzmi received his Ph.D. in Electrical Engineering from Stanford 2002. His graduate research is on Multi-user Detection for CDMA systems in which he devised schemes and algorithms for practica implementation of multi-user detectors. He has held positions at Nokia Research center, Bell Laboratories, and Hewlett Packard Company. He is on LUMS faculty since 2002. Dr Uzmi has several international publications, including papers in IEEE Globecom and ICC.

Fatima Waqas Khwaja
Visiting Faculty, Biology
Ph.D., Emory University, Atlanta, USA
B.Sc., Emory University, Atlanta, USA

Research Interests"
Translational Cancer Research; Biomarker Discovery through
Proteomics, Molecular Biology

Fatima Waqas Khwaja is currently a Jr. Research Scientist in the
Basic Science Laboratory at Shaukat Khanum Memorial Cancer Hospital
and Research Center, a state of the art, non-profit, charity cancer
hospital in Pakistan. She received her Ph.D degree from Emory
University in 2006. She was a National Science Foundation fellow in
2003-2004 to develop problem-based curriculum in science for K-12
classrooms. She has special interest in teaching and has taught
undergraduat and graduate level courses at Emory University, Punjab
University and at LUMS.





Tasneem Zehra Hussain
Assistant Professor of Physics
School of Science and Engineering (SSE),
Lahore University of Management Sciences (LUMS),
Lahore

Tasneem Zehra Husain obtained a B.Sc from Kinnaird College, Lahore,
an M.Sc. in Physics from Quaid-e-Azam University and spent a year
doing post-graduate work in High Energy Physics at the Abdus Salam
International Center for Theoretical Physics (ICTP) before going to
Stockholm University for her Ph.D. Tasneem then went on to join the
High Energy Theory Group at Harvard as a post-doctoral researcher.
She is currently interested in using methods of 11-dimensional
supergravity to arrive at a classification of the backgrounds that
arise when M-branes wrap supersymmetric cycles.

Tasneem has several publications in peer-reviewed journals and has
presented her work at several national and international
conferences. Her awards have included the Vice Chancellor's gold
medal and the Phillip's gold medal at the Quaid-e-Azam university,
the Boswell medal for the best graduating science student from
Kinnaird College, and a couple of international awards for her
writing.Tasneem has represented Pakistan at the Meeting of Nobel Laureates
in Lindau, Germany and led the Pakistan team to the WYP Launch
Conference in Paris.

Tasneem is keenly interested in education and science
popularization. She designed Pakistan's logo for the World Year of
Physics (WYP) and was an active participant in the WYP Physics
Stories project, lead by Argonne National Laboratories.

In an effort to make contemporary theoretical physics accessible to
high-school students, Tasneem developed a series of animated
presentations which she then presented in front of several
audiences. She has taught at Kinnaird College, helped with training
Pakistan's team to the International Olympiads and is on the Board
of Directors of the Alif Laila Book Bus Society (a non-profit
educational institution catering primarily to under-privileged
children).





Hassna R. Ramay
Assistant Professor, Bioengineering , SSE,LUMS,Lahore
Ph.D., University of Washington
M.Sc., New Mexico Institute of Mining & Technology
B.Sc., Ghulam Ishaq Khan Institute of Sciences & Technology (GIKI)

Research Interests Tissue Engineering, Biomaterials,
Bionanotechnology and Cell Materials Interactions

Dr. Hassna Ramay received her Ph.D. in Biomaterials at the
Department of Materials Sciences and Engineering, University of
Washington in 2004. She did her masters in Materials Sciences and
Engineering from New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology and
her Bachelors in Materials and Metallurgical Engineering from Ghulam
Ishaq Khan Institute of Sciences and Technology. She worked as a
postdoctoral fellow at the Delaware Biotechnology Institute,
University of Delaware. Her research focuses on fabrication of
biomaterials for tissue engineering applications.




Hamid Zaman
Assistant Professor of Biomedical Enginnering,SSE,LUMS.
Jointly with UT at Austin.

Hamid Zaman is an Asst. Prof. in the Departments of Biomedical
Engineering and Cell and Molecular Biology and member of Institute
of Theoretical Chemistry as well as Institute for Computational
Engineering and Sciences and of Center for Synthetic and Systems
Biology at UT Austin. He obtained his PhD from the Chemistry
Department at the University of Chicago, focusing on the protein
folding, dynamics and interactions. His current research focuses on
developing interdisciplinary tools to study interaction of cells
with extra-cellular matrices, particularly in cancer progression and
metastasis. He has developed new techniques, both theoretically and
experimentally to study this problem. Hamid has and continues to
publish extensively in highly prestigious international journals.
His research has been recognized broadly through various
international awards. In 2007, he was awarded the FEBS (Federation
of European Biochemical Societies) Young Investigator Award in
Matrix Biology, an award rarely given to anyone outside the European
Union. Recently, he was also named International Visiting Fellow at
the University of Sydney, Australia. His work on cell migration in
3D, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of
Sciences, was hailed world-wide as one of the major breakthroughs in
cancer in 2006. Prior to his position at UT Austin, Hamid was
Hermann and Margaret Sokol Foundation Post-Doctoral Fellow at MIT
and was a Burroughs Wellcome Foundation Graduate Fellow at the
University of Chicago during his Ph.D. During his undergraduate,
Hamid was also the awarded Alfred Crabaugh Outstanding Senior Award,
given to the best undergraduate student at the entire University.
More information about Hamid's work at UT Austin is available at

Zaman's Lab

zlabs.bme.utexas.edu.

Few 'Hard-Core'Scholars from Pool of SSE,LUMS



Asad Abidi
Dean and Professor of Electrical Engineering
Ph.D., University of California, Berkeley
M.S., University of California, Berkeley
B.Sc., Imperial College, London

Asad A. Abidi received the B.Sc.(Hon.) degree from Imperial College,
London in 1976 and the M.S. and Ph.D. degrees in Electrical
Engineering from the University of California, Berkeley in 1978 and
1981. He was at Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ from 1981 to 1984
as a Member of Technical Staff in the Advanced LSI Development
Laboratory. Since 1985, he has been at the Electrical Engineering
Department of the University of California, Los Angeles where he is
Professor. He was a Visiting Faculty Researcher at Hewlett Packard
Laboratories during 1989.

His research interests are in the design of CMOS RF integrated
circuits, high-speed analog circuits, and data converters.

Dr. Abidi served as the Program Secretary for the International
Solid-State Circuits Conference from 1984 to 1990 and as General
Chairman of the Symposium on VLSI Circuits in 1992. He was Secretary
of the IEEE Solid-State Circuits Council from 1990 to 1991, and from
1992 to 1995 he was Editor of the IEEE Journal of Solid-State
Circuits. He has received the 1988 TRW Award for Innovative Teaching
and the 1997 IEEE Donald G. Fink Award, and is co-recipient of the
Best Paper Award at the 1995 European Solid-State Circuits
Conference, the Jack Kilby Best Student Paper Award at the 1996
International Solid-State Circuits Conference (ISSCC), the Jack
Raper Award for Outstanding Technology Directions Paper at the 1997
ISSCC, and the Design Contest Award at the 1998 Design Automation
Conference, and the 2001 ISLPED Low Power Design Contest Award. In
2007, the UCLA School of Engineering and Applied Science recognized
him with the Lockheed-Martin Award for Excellence in Teaching.

He has received an IEEE Millennium Medal, is a Fellow of the IEEE,
and was named one of the top ten contributors to the ISSCC. He is
the recipient of the 2008 IEEE Donald O. Pederson Award in Solid-
State Circuits.

Dr. Abidi is a member of the US National Academy of Engineering, only 2 Pakistanis yet have this position.





Asad Naqvi
Associate Professor, Physics
Ph.D., Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
S.B., Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)

Research Interests:
String Theory

Asad Naqvi is currently a lecturer (assistant professor) at the
University of Wales, Swansea. He is a theoretical physicist with a
PhD from MIT in theoretical particle physics (specializing in string
theory); a BS with a double major in Physics and Electrical
Engineering from MIT; and school degrees from Karachi. After holding
post-doctoral positions at the University of Pennsylvania and the
University of Amsterdam, he joined the University of Wales, Swansea
in October 2005.



Salal Humair
Associate Professor, Engineering Systems & Operations Research
Ph.D., Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
S.M., Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
B.S., University of Engineering & Technology (UET)

Research Interests :Supply Chains and Engineering Systems

Salal Humair currently works as a Principal Software Engineer at
Optiant, Inc. (Boston, MA), a technology startup founded at MIT and
focused on supply-chain design and optimization. He obtained his PhD
and MS in Operations Research from MIT, an MS in Civil Engineering
from MIT, and a BS in Civil Engineering from UET Lahore. His
Master's research was on formulating conceptual design as a
constraint satisfaction problem; doctoral research on yield
management for telecommunications and his current work is in supply
chain optimization. He has worked at CS First Boston, and interned
at GTE Laboratories, IBM's T.J. Watson Research Center, Schlumberger
Austin Product Center, and Lucent Technologies, Bell Laboratories.
He has also had significant teaching experience during graduate
school as Head Teaching Assistant for a large undergraduate
computing course at MIT




Salman Ahsan
Visiting Associate Professor, Electrical Engineering
Ph.D., Princeton University
M.A., Princeton University
B.S., University of Pennsylvania

Research Interests: Semiconductor Materials and Devices

Dr. Salman Ahsan did his PhD and MA in Electronic Materials and
Devices at the Department of Electrical Engineering, Princeton
University and his BS in Electrical Engineering at the University of
Pennsylvania. His interests during graduate studies centered upon
the study of surface and interface properties of compound
semiconductors, particularly the ZnSe/GaAs interface due to its
importance in the development of a blue laser. He built Princeton's
first scanning tunneling microscope, a new technique at the time, as
the primary analysis tool for this work. At Princeton, he also
acquired several semesters of teaching experience as a preceptor
working with Prof. Daniel C. Tsui (Nobel laureate Physics, 1998).
His work experience includes brief stints at Drexelbrook Engineering
(as a summer intern), Philips Research Laboratories (part of
doctoral dissertation), the Center for Sensor Technologies (as an
NSF fellow) and Nova R&D, Inc. Prior to joining LUMS as the
Associate Project Director of the School of Science and Engineering,
he was with Linear Technology Corporation for ten years, a
semiconductor company specializing in analog integrated circuits, as
a process development, device and integration engineer and then as a
manager of yields and electrical test.

The Lahore University of Management Sciences( LUMS) established by industrialists and people belonging to Pakistan's leading private and public sector corporations, with the goal of developing an institution that would not only provide rigorous academic and intellectual training to Pakistani students and scholars, but also make available state-of-the-art research facilities, which would be comparable to leading universities around the world. According to the Higher Education Commission of Pakistan LUMS is one of the most highly ranked Pakistani universities amongst institutions that offer degrees in Business Management and Information Technology.

In just few years LUMS gained the status as as Pakistan top notch bussiness school with its hundreds of students around the world in top ranked universities and bussiness companies.LUMS to meet the needs of cutting edge technology in the world started a school of Science and Engineering which is the LUMS SSE is the first research-based private university in Pakistan.



LUMS SSE: Taking University Education in Science and Engineering to new heights in Pakistan

Research will play a defining role in its culture. The focus is to bring in research-active faculty from all over the world who can contribute to the advancement of knowledge through our PhD programs. This faculty will be pivotal in producing PhDs who are globally competitive in terms of their impact, and whose work spins off into knowledge-based companies in Pakistan and brings the hi-tech era to our economy. Research is so important that it will even permeate our undergraduate education and make it an inquiry based education, instead of one where facts are memorized out of text books.

Furthermore LUMS SSE is different from other science and engineering universities because it will concentrate initially only on a few key science and engineering disciplines at whose intersection most new discoveries and powerful new products will emerge. We have decided to start with Electrical Engineering, Computer Science, Physics, Chemistry, Biology and Mathematics. Additional strategic disciplines may be added later. Therefore we are building this university from the ground up to teach the fundamentals of these key disciplines to all our undergraduates, and to promote inter-disciplinary research amongst our graduate students. There will be no boundaries within the institution; there will simply be clusters of people united by common interests. Today somebody who belongs to the physics cluster may decide tomorrow to move to an electrical engineering cluster. This will make it not only a unique university in Pakistan but probably in the world.



Once we have located the best minds for LUMS SSE and if we determine that they cannot afford our education, the trustees of LUMS and the management committee have given us the go ahead to pay for their education in varying degrees. In the extreme case we will pay for everything and even give the student money to live on the campus. However they must first pass our very high bar for admissions.

It is important to tell your readers that a science-based curriculum in the modern sense is very expensive, far more expensive than the curricula offered in the existing schools of LUMS. That is because from their very first year, our undergraduates will be using state-of-the art labs, and they will continue to have a quality lab experience through all their years. To keep these labs operational and updated requires a very large and continuous flow of funds. Therefore we will ask those who can afford to pay, to pay a fee that reflects the real cost. Those who cannot pay, we will find ways to bring them here; that is our responsibility.


At LUMS SSE, we have already formed a critical mass of some of the best Pakistani scientists, at various levels of their careers, whom we identified at some of the world’s great institutes. Even at this early stage in SSE’s development our faculty covers all the six key disciplines which I have described earlier. They are defining the curriculum and building up our research programs. However we are still small in numbers.

Here we are faced with the problem that Pakistan has produced very few world class, hard-core scholars who are research active in modern science and engineering and who aspire to faculty positions. That total pool is tiny. We have spent the last two years searching the world over through our networks, on the Internet and through a variety of other means, to locate these people, approach them and devise a means to bring them back here. To these people we will offer, also for the first time in Pakistan, the very privileged position of a faculty appointment on the tenure track. What that means is, to faculty members who, after working here for a few years or elsewhere, prove that they are exceptional teachers and world-class researchers who publish in the leading journals, we will offer lifetime contracts. Faculty on the tenure track will be assisted by other excellent individuals whose main contribution to LUMS SSE will be through teaching. In time we hope to increase this pool of high caliber individuals from our own students.



Read complete interview of Dr. Asad Abidi, Dean SSE here:

http://sse.lums.edu.pk/interview_deanabidi.htm

I do not know why Hoodbhoy always criticize HEC. Just because Musharraf never looked upon him to be chairman in 2002 , its jealosuy nothing more.

( universities were about to start but present government due of lack of funds just postponed it. but CM Punjab Mr Shahbaz Sharif protested a lot on this delay and asked the PM to take action. Soon they will be started, inshallah

#16 Posted by masadi on November 1, 2008 6:54:31 pm


none of you IIT giants can hold a candle to anyone of my arguments, not to mention this sorry rebuttal, is masterpiece enough for me.


You should turn your chowk posts into a book and publish that on lulu.com...you know..like your other books...

madsadi saab is complete loony toony saab. he writes the same thing he has written for years all over saab. he has nothing to add saab to an one's knowledge saab

So far I see 30 posts of which 13 are from Masadi. I have no problem with those, I skip them routinely.

I see three posts that have nothing to do with Masadi. Incidentally, that is what I come to read so I am fine with those. My only complaint is that it is only 3/30. I want it to be significantly more.

The reamining 14 are "responses" mostly -- 8/14 -- from Anil. Now this really bothers me because I thought he should have figured out the solution by now. Anyway, if he does not "Get it" soon, then I will have to start skipping over all his posts too and that would be a pity.

Anil, can you please explain why you are "engaging" with this guy? Honestly, what is in it for you? Are you trying to "save his soul" by "educating" him? If so, you are failing miserably. Just so that you know.

On the other hand, if you are trying to "learn" from him, you should be listening a lot more and not speaking so much.

Either way, not responding to the dude makes you a winner. Please consider this as "Constructive Feedback".

IIT engineers are building bridges in India and why they are coming down fast within year?
Here also it happened in Karachi after it was opened with great fanfare.
Now beitish engineers built 100 of thousands of bridges for railways and all are still strong.
Those engineers were not trained in IIT but they were not trained at all but hands on education . They built bridges made up of steel. All bridges built here and there came down are all concrete bridges. Now if you want bridges built of steel not concrete as they put mitti 10% instead of cement and engineers approves bill and bribe is part of bridge instead of cment. Engineer Babu can not steel so steel bridge is best preference for india/ Pakistan , may be white west less corrouption sono substituting cement with mitti.

Re: # 14 Anil , arjun and other distractors...... Kindly please do not write about things you do not know. Both of you are no student of social science or social scientist. No persons opinions are good when they criticise some body without reading his books. Kindly could you sware you have read book ? Answer is no so please shut up.
Other thing is as Masadi said before several months presently it all just memorizing. Honestly Arjun or Anil both do not appaer to be from IIT college as it does not reflect in your attitude or any hint of scholorship in your writing. Just for remindindin you Masadi wrote paper/ important statement about education and that was praised and accepted at this countries high education officers. Why you people do not even mentioned. Basically masadi does not value cramming and remembering stuff on brain harddrive but he values and want more importance on thinking, analysing and then arriving at conclusions with out predisposed answer or apriory conclusions. IIT is just bunch of remembering and getting degree and running away to USA and white countries and they have bad attitude towards their own countrymen as they feel this stupid awam pays taxes to produce the technical manpower for white elites. Best Indians will never go for such silly entrance which just measures how much you remember. Also IIT college has elite attitude as they do not teach any religion or moral science so they are producing monsters who are ripping poor people of india and luaghing and lining their pockets and becoming slaves of America. Now Jay said he was from IIT college and Ranjit is gentle man and he is I think from real IIT college as he appears intelligent kind. He does not have time to waste his time and he is gentleman and send me good music. Some how I doubt both of you belong to iit college as you both have no class and you behave as new rich uncultured people.
I hope you both think about that leave my friend and do not start character assissinations, and defame. Good day.

Re: # 16

Aap kisi baat ka jawab to dete nahin phir masterpiece ki baat karte hain.

Pls reply if partition had not taken place what would have happened.

Sanatani

Vaise this applies mostly to Hindu Poonzabis the Sardars equal hustlers at least are hard working and brave except this Durbari Gndu Manu Singh.

I mailed this article to a JS in the ministry of HRD who comes from a family of scientests. He says at 1 level I am distressed there is no debate in India on the neglect of Pure, Life, Applied and Social sciences but the positive is that the Dakshin Bhartiyas and Marathis, Oriyas Banglas are still caring for it so the neglect is not apparent. Problem will come when they become Punajabised.

Indeed the country's biggest problem is Punjabification where only the end counts and prostitute your mother to reach the same.

I pity pakistan which has 55% of its population as Panjabi.

When I look at my relatives and in-laws I am struck maybe all Sharanarthis coming from the West Punjab should have been shot at the border Bharat Mata would be better without these vermin of which I am one.

Sanatani

Re: # 29

Masadi sahib:

Please read a lesson on the other board. Aren't you lucky that you have a chaprase who can show you the mirror and show you how ugly you look.

Anil sahib, read some up on hypothesis testing, your knowledge of science is that of a lab technician, a predigested microwaved result that followed after the "falsification" part had already been applied. What I write about hypothesis testing is 100% factual, what you wrote about science proving and not disproving tells me, just as it tells other educated folk here that you're a damn ignoramus.

Have a nice day and keep following me around like a chaprasee, you have nothing better to do with your dimwitted mentality.

TNI Masadi

Re: # 19

Masadi sahib:

"..idiot you don't even know the basics of science that it progresses not by proving but by disproving, falsification.."

You do resort to foul language when you do not understand. May be buckle of bible-belt college is not meritocracy. Please repeat several times a day, that Scientific methods only prove, corollary (the opposite is deductive), and probity continues until the thesis is proven. Let me give you example. Do you understand "proof positive" and "proof negative" tests. A proof postive proof conclusively says that there is a viral infection. A proof negative only proves that this test came out negative and does not disprove presence of virus.




I addressed that point Hoodbhoy, because I knew that is beyond comprehension.

When you make the statement (#25) it only shows that you do not even know hypothesis.

Re: # 23

Masadi sahib:

"...But since you don't know anything about science you wouldn't understand that either..."

This is an example of qualitative statement when quantitative skills are lacking. To you self-reference (remember you killing Godel's) is enough as in the above. This can be politely called ignorance.

Anil: You idiot any translation of quantitative numbers into meaning requires the qualitative part...

Re: # 22

"...No the reasoning is in the qualitative part,..."

Again ignorance, if a person lacks quantitative skills, he would lack ability to synthesize and make qualitative (= subjective) assessment.

Anil writes "Absence of quantitative skills will ensure that you would not understand what I and everyone defines the Scientific methods..."

Unfortunately you do not understand the abcs of science, and quantitative unless incorporated within a qualitative theory means shit. But since you don't know anything about science you wouldn't understand that either. Making big claims as is the occupation of snake oil salesmen means nothing. The 70th percentile in quantitative is also not a bad score and that after one week of preparation....

Have a nice day and take it easy,
TNI Masadi

Anil writes "Quantitative part demonstrate analytical and reasoning"

No the reasoning is in the qualitative part, especially the critical thinking. Quantitative is about rote memorization of formulas from High School level math...

Have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

Masadi sahib:

Absence of quantitative skills will ensure that you would not understand what I and everyone defines the Scientific methods. Sorry to puncture your ego, truth does hurt.

gotta go do some work

Anil writes "It is a well established fact that among such a group, teaching quality improves, because it challenges students and Professors alike"

You idiot you don't even know the basics of science that it progresses not by proving but by disproving, falsification. HBS taught you how to be a snake oil seller, much like your friends on Wall street and the mess and suffering they have created around the world,

Have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

Masadi sahib seems to be hiding the score in quantitative part, and the subject. Quantitative part demonstrate analytical and reasoning, this confirms that he lacks the both.

Anil writes : Masadi sahib, are you ripping off almost $6,000 (Rs. 350,000) per month

My salary at the public Univ was Rs.25000 per month (minus the taxes and tea fees) and it was no rip off teaching 4 MA level sections of 60 students each. My education, compared to your disgrace on the other thread, is no matter of concern for retards like your goodself,

Have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

Arjun writes "HAHA...the professor of social sciences who went to podunk university in the US is talking about the IITs...

masadi..we're eagerly awaiting your next masterpiece on lulu.com..."

Whatever univ I went to, the fact that your HBS graduate Anil was just stumped in a most disgraceful manner on the other thread and none of you IIT giants can hold a candle to anyone of my arguments, not to mention this sorry rebuttal, is masterpiece enough for me.

Have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

Viewer writes "Hi Masadi after such a long time. I missed you when you decided to disappear after my comments 137-140 at http://www.chowk.com/interacts/13958/1/0/0#373745."

of course you did, your theft of other's ideas not withstanding I am not interested in saas bahu ke baatian on here. My time is precious. Further teaching social science in the US where I educated the students regarding the crimes of the white man does not make me a slave to the West and since you were detached from my post 2006 history, I did return to Pakistan in 2007 to teach soc at one of the public and then a private university.

Have a nice day and go climb a pole,

TNI Masadi

Masadi Sahib:

“...Today a public university professor, provided he successfully finagles himself into the higher-paying (tenure track) position, can make as much as Rs 350,000 per month....�

Masadi sahib, are you ripping off almost $6,000 (Rs. 350,000) per month for what you have to offer to the students in the name of education and knowledge? At Choek, you have demonstrated that you seriously lack foundamentals on which education and knowledge is normally built, only then one can teach others.

“... But the flawed selection mechanism, which amounted to a simple numeracy and literacy high-school-level test, permitted large numbers of academically unprepared students to slip through into advanced graduate programmes.�

Is this how you slipped out to the buckle of bible-belt college with 40 percentile in GRE? You have boasted the name of your elitist of the elites Islamabad high school several times, but you do not mention the name of your buckle of the bible-belt college. Why are you ashamed of naming it, could it be that you like to show yourself off as “America Return� in your institution?


Hoobhoy sahib:

“...Broadly speaking, higher education reform must now aim primarily at improving teaching quality...�

The first priority needs to build a true meritocracy in the education system so that really deserving students can rise to their level.

40th percentile in GRE hardly qualifies for meritocracy. It is, instead, scrapping the barrel (Masadi sahib on the Chowk is one example). You are probably aware that IITs in India selection rate is 1% of applicants, whereas as in the U.S. Ivy Leagues and similar institutions acceptance rate ranges to 10% of applicants. It is a well established fact that among such a group, teaching quality improves, because it challenges students and Professors alike. Your own time at MIT should prove this point.

My GRE in the qualitative part, was in the 90th percentile

Hamid writes "40% on the gre"

My GRE was in the qualitative part was in the 90th percentile, and currently I am in a Phd program. I also got a 100% scholarship to the Univ of Edinburgh which a handful of students get, but I had to turn them down because of living expenses.

Social workers increase in direct proportion to social problems because they are a privatized solution to public problems, public problems do not require private solutions they require restructuring.

Have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

This article is excellent. like many of your other high calibre ones.there are a number of very sensible solutions i agree with.but i like this one as the best,for i find it basic and easily possible if it is addressed.re;�because bad teaching quality comes from having teachers with insufficient knowledge of their subject, it is important both to have better teacher selection mechanisms and to create large scale teacher training academies in every province". I suggest that “tags� should include the words “madcap� and “grinding teeth�. It is heartbreaking to read what students are writing about HEC’s letdown.cut in grants to universities is going to have a tough effect on the students' higher study plans.still HEC would use all its resources and think tanks to keep its word to the PhD professors and scholarship students at all cost.now it is easy to see all new and upcoming universities will have to be on their own to make their new institute research- enabled to say the least.and build their own infra structure which can ably support research program.the LABS, the equipment,the library, the internet infrastructure and facility should all be ready and available.
next thing is the research program,for M.phil and PhD.this ball should be in HEC’ s court,only when the research program is duly on the valid anvil then must HEC step in.the university should be ready firstly with all the students admitted, the topics for research chosen, and the highly paid PhD professors appointed as their guide and mentor.that done, apart from the initial financing to cover the cost of preparatory and the indenting of any research program, the rest of the grant should be given instead of lumpsum, in adequate intervals phased out over the entire course.the feasibility of which should speed up by leaps and bounds, in the expected estimation and assessment of the sustaining and supporting cost continuously.the phased out grants should be prompt.period.for this a viable grants committee should be involved actively through the research programs of all universities, and never be allowed to collapse.this will have to be a very conscious effort by all departments concerned.speed of research work should be rewarded if it shows to be accelerating.breakdown in research progress due to teacher or student is another story and should be considered for solving problems, on a “quantum physics calculator -’y’ “ level.no kidding.

Re: # 9

cheema sahib,

.... what you say might be right, but masadi is not even a social worker - he simply studies sociology .... which is the equivalent of watching the grass grow ....

Re: # 8; hamid sahib

I have always believed the number of 'social' problems contract/expand depending on the number of 'social workers' available to deal with them .... actually someone better known than myself said that long ago ... may be somebody here can set me right on this?

Re: # 2

masadi mian,

... be careful ... dr hoodbhoy might end up as the head of hec one of these days and weed out 'professors' with masters degrees in sociology from howard and prarie view a&m ....... if i were you, i would apply to bahauddin zakriya university and get a phd - i am sure you can manage a 40% on the gre ...... good luck

HAHA...the professor of social sciences who went to podunk university in the US is talking about the IITs...

masadi..we're eagerly awaiting your next masterpiece on lulu.com...

Re: # 2

Hi Masadi after such a long time. I missed you when you decided to disappear after my comments 137-140 at http://www.chowk.com/interacts/13958/1/0/0#373745.

"The only "trail" I saw them "blazing" were the motels line up alongside the interstate system where you blaze in and blaze out and our friends say, "Have a nice day and come back soon"...I doubt Musharraf had the Indians in mind, he most probably had the white man whom he worshiped in mind and wanted to emulate him as an ideal House Slave..."

To this guy Indian, Well-said indeed.

However, are you sure you yourself don't worship the white man? Like many others, You are also licking white man's a** to get a piece of paper called the "PhD".

Earlier, I noticed, by chance, that your previous introductory sentence on this website used to be along the lines "Asadi teaches social science in the US ..." Is such an introduction not worshipping the white man?

40% on GRE subject test.. Masadi Sahib comes to mind.

Let us take Arjun Suggestion.
We should develop institutions of higher learing and be named Pakistan Muslim institute of Technolgy. We should take financial help from all muslim nations to form this intermuslim international institute and keep indians organization in dust. Only 15 days worth of oil out of all muslims land can put 5 times all money put by india. Just in 15 days that is powerof money. 60% seats should be reserved for pakistanis and remaining 30% for arab and muslim world students and remaining 10% seats can be qctioned to highest bidders. The best muslim thinkers, scientist, technonologists all over world should be lured by pious appeal of muslim money fortified with lucrative salaray package. Also 5% can be reserved for oppressed muslims like indian, kashmiri, burmies, thai, and european muslims. !% for muslims from africa. The will 10 colleges with 4 colleges in Karachi specially for international students. Presently education is useless as no moral teaching is going on. Isalamise education and educationise muslims. Teach with faith and courage. Lahore can have specvial ibnstitute for "Management science as al;ready the college there is one of prestigeous in world and many of its students are working at very high positions in world science, technology. Karachi's famous medical and engg college can play wpart. Also we need to employ good prof from USA uk etc . ASk every country to give one institute as india got from usa german, japan, uk and germany. We should add specially with help of china in tech. Some institute for arabs who can not afford to go to usa can get same or better education back in PK.
Hope things move inthat matter. KISA is going to grant 5 Billion Oil Facility. Hope next step be offensive on education by president and specially women education as it was mandate by Benzir. Good day

correction: motels lined up alongside the interstate highway system

Arjun writes "Lets face it...pakis were envious of Indian success stories like the IITs...graduates from the IITs were blazing a trail in the west...."

The only "trail" I saw them "blazing" were the motels line up alongside the interstate system where you blaze in and blaze out and our friends say, "Have a nice day and come back soon"...I doubt Musharraf had the Indians in mind, he most probably had the white man whom he worshiped in mind and wanted to emulate him as an ideal House Slave...

Hoodbhoy is an ignoramus who shouldn't be taken seriously in these matters. Corruption in the education sector of Pakistan is no more than corruption in other areas and it is primarily due to the US, because the Pakistan Army which has been nurtured into its position of dominance by the U.S has destroyed all civil institutions of this country and made them scavengerous leeches, and that includes the educational institutions because the military fears them

Have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

p.s Hoodbhoy you miserable buffoon take a hike....

An egregious example is the $4.3bn HEC mega-project to establish nine new engineering universities staffed by hundreds of European professors.
Gen Musharraf declared that the annual production of PhD degree holders would be boosted from 150 per year to 1,500 per year.


Lets face it...pakis were envious of Indian success stories like the IITs...graduates from the IITs were blazing a trail in the west....pakis thought they could spend a bunch of money and develop institutions overnight...

Institutions like the IITs can't be created overnight...it takes time and patience..and investment...

Pakiland invested it's time and resources in it's own IITs..institutes of islamic terrorism..by islamic terrorism standards, they've been remarkably successful...