The Psyche of Al-Qaeda

Kaal writes "masadi, that wasn't meant to stop your dialogues with others..."

Let me apologize then for misunderstanding and for a not called for response. Thank you and please overlook

TNI masadi

should have been:
So instead of accepting anything as truth, it is freedom of saying "no i don't think so" which is more important.

#63 Posted by drsohail on
Perfect summary..
ideologies themselves can be self propagatory but if you add "God" to it, they become resistant to any change and that is when anything bad in psycholoy or ideology becomes lethal.

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I believe we need to respect other people's truth individually and collectively even when we disagree with them.

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This is wrong, truths are never that conflicting, even when we are not close to truths they are not that conflicting. It is only when as a society we start accpeting anything as truth that people in general lose sense of what is truth and what is not. If group ideologies are pursued by large groups and actions keep emnating out of them, the concept of "respect" and expecting good out of it is wishful thinking and wrong.

Exmple is, it is of no use today to cry over how many people were killed by any ideology if all we suggest is that we should have respected it. There is something that has to be corrective and should come out of society itself, without much effort. The simplest is to not to accept things which are not truths peacefully.Just say that forme it is not truth. Don't accept it. That will not only reduce conflict in future, it gives the best democratic infrastructure to keep things close to truth. So instead of accepting truth, it is freedom of saying "no i don't think so" which is more important.

If you know something is wrong or not true, the day you know it for sure, you should stop supporting that "false truth", not just religious, even if it is scientific. Only reason for supporting an idea should be that your mind still has some valid argument for it and is not convinced, not ego, not mere respect for somebody else's ego.

Not suporting an idea can still be respectful, at least shouldn't try to harm those who support it, till they try to harm you. You don't need convoluted ideas of respect to keep confusion over things for ever or to help spread confusion and chaos.

If Islam was able to digest "simple" "NO"s, you wouldn't have seen somany people feeling ofended by it and so much against it,doesn't matter what it says, whowould have cared???

Re: # 55
dear kaalchakra...your letter inspired me to write another letter to khurram...thanks...sohail

Re: # 43
dear khurram. After having endless passionate dialogues with followers of different religious, spiritual and secular traditions I have come to the conclusion that
THERE ARE AS MANY TRUTHS AS HUMAN BEINGS AND AS MANY REALITIES AS PAIRS OF EYES.
But when humans start believing that their TRUTH is THE TRUTH and not A TRUTH, then they have a tendency to impose it on others. If those people gain political or religious power by becoming leaders of political organizations and religious institutions then they can use COERCION.
If the system is democratic and humanistic then their COERCION is time limited and controlled but if the system is autocratic and authoritarian then the COERCION and CONTROL can be long term and intense. For exampple The Pope of Catholic Church have power over one billion people and his special religious powers makes him immune to any democratic process. He even rationalizes his anti-democratic and anti-humanistic policies through Church and Scriptures and God. Similarly Castro in Cuba had long term political power because of Communist system. When ideas turn into ideologies then humans start walking on a slippery slope.
I believe we need to respect other people's truth individually and collectively even when we disagree with them. That is why i respect your ideas and can have respectful dialogue with you that is hard to do with some other people and this why Kaal Chakra offered you a compliment. all the best...sohail

Re: # 61
dear barristerake...thank you for connecting the dots. i just read some literature on kharijis and wrote an article
militant muslims...the new kharijites
if you are interested you can write to me on
welcome@drsohail.com
and i will send it to you...sincerely sohail

Shrink, OBL started as a arab nationalist and ended up as a global jehadist prorably because he lost all options.

Al-Qaeda was actually a booklet containing the names of all arabs with their names and address who were fighting in Afghanistan against the Soviets.

The psyche of Al-Qaeda is to kill – they are Kharijis and nothing more or less..

Learned Professor Masadi #49: So - it was the redcoats who blocked your theory in Raja Bazar, Rawalpindi!! I should have guessed.

but, learned professor, when were the lal kurtis (redcoats) last seen hanging out in Lal Kurti, Rawalpindi?? or in Raja Bazar, Rawalpindi?? Was it before or after the last Lynching as a Tool of Capitalism took place?? Why doesnt your theory work there even after the block has been taken away??? And what happened to Siam (where lal kurtis never blocked your theory)

2. How they force you to do - their means of force/coercion

while doing this you need to define coercion and give degree or category of coercion as well..

May be, add a few more things (no coercion for the time being):

For each of the categories you listed check
1. What they force you to do - their objective

2. How they force you to do - their means of force/coercion

3. How good or bad are their objectives

4. how good or bad are their means

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Imagine you are in-charge/administrator and think which one can be avoided:

1. just by better knowledge/ideas among your workers (people)

2. by ideas and some framework (like processes/infrastructure: what governments do)


obviously think about whole of humanity ...

there are more subtle issues, which can be discussed later. One of them is in which cases does this force/coercion becomes self propagatory (more for psychologist, he should analyze it here)

Once we are done we can step back and do a round of chorus or antakhshari depending on results..

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"for discussion sake if we divide any community in three groups
...religious fundamentalists
...religious humanists...believers
...secular humanists...non-believers"

- secular fundamentalists.

masadi, that wasn't meant to stop your dialogues with others. Khurram did seem to be putting some interesting questions before drsohail and drsohail is likely to have some interesting answers as well. Perhaps you and others can contribute too.

Cheers.

Kaal writes "khurram and drsohail, you have a very good discussion going. If possible, continue that discussion, please. Thanks."

And you kindly take a hike and take your tendency to try to prevent others from speaking their mind with you, you miserable a-hole...

Have a nice day

khurram and drsohail, you have a very good discussion going. If possible, continue that discussion, please. Thanks.

Have a nice day and take it easy
TNI Masadi


....yes 91101 happened to us and so did slavery happen to us...(Rev Wright)

Here is a fuller version of that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaNBzU6iryo&feature=related

Fantas tic, a truly religious experience!

Here watch it once again

This Rev is good, he has power in his voice....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617eK2XIaLk

No,no,no,no...God damn America...it's in the Bible!