Khalid Sohail November 4, 2008
#51 Posted by masadi on November 7, 2008 6:04:07 pm
As Rev Wright Rightly said, "It is in the Bible (because of the killing of innocents)......God damn(s) America...
#50 Posted by masadi on November 7, 2008 6:02:54 pm
In #47 read "that is how lynching is politely practices in your capitalist society of total the United States of KKK A, as the Right Rev Wright, Rightly Remarked....."
as
that is how lynching is politely practiced in your capitalist society of today the United States of KKKA, as the Right Rev Wright, Rightly Remarked Rigorously.....
as
that is how lynching is politely practiced in your capitalist society of today the United States of KKKA, as the Right Rev Wright, Rightly Remarked Rigorously.....
#49 Posted by masadi on November 7, 2008 6:00:36 pm
tahmed writes "why Gowalmandi, Lahore and Raja Bazar, Rawalpindi, despite their high population density are so lacking in patents..."
Apparently because while you were suffering from amnesia they went through a totally different history through colonization and the strengthening of feudalism by your capitalist friends from the white man's land. While the white man practiced land clearing through genocide to settle in areas previously occupied, he forced through colonization and its effects an unnatural haphazard mega city phenomenon, where the local bourgeoisie were deliberately kept behind and the feudals were strengthened and any attempts at alternative "fast track" state sponsored industrial development were choked by having the military hang the popular leaders....
Have a nice day and get an education you worshiper of the white man's sh**.
Apparently because while you were suffering from amnesia they went through a totally different history through colonization and the strengthening of feudalism by your capitalist friends from the white man's land. While the white man practiced land clearing through genocide to settle in areas previously occupied, he forced through colonization and its effects an unnatural haphazard mega city phenomenon, where the local bourgeoisie were deliberately kept behind and the feudals were strengthened and any attempts at alternative "fast track" state sponsored industrial development were choked by having the military hang the popular leaders....
Have a nice day and get an education you worshiper of the white man's sh**.
#48 Posted by tahmed32 on November 7, 2008 11:18:54 am
#47 Professor Masadi: With the definition of "lynching" implied in your post, you are revolutionizing the english language as well as economic theory. Given the multi-disciplinary nature of the Masadi Revolutions, doesnt this incredible brain of yours start overheating.
PS: I still patiently await the time series data on lynchings in the US to support your theories of capitalism, and your explanation of why Gowalmandi, Lahore and Raja Bazar, Rawalpindi, despite their high population density are so lacking in patents.
PS: I still patiently await the time series data on lynchings in the US to support your theories of capitalism, and your explanation of why Gowalmandi, Lahore and Raja Bazar, Rawalpindi, despite their high population density are so lacking in patents.
#47 Posted by masadi on November 7, 2008 10:50:00 am
tahemd writes "the Human Reproduction Theory of Economic Growth, and Lynching as a Tool of Capitalism..."
Idiots like you when stumped can only obfuscate. Urbanization, division of labor and specialization all depend on demography, whatever you might want to call it, capitalism and modern social arrangements weren't delivered to the USA by Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Regarding lynching, check the mortality rates of young black men compared to young white men, that is how lynching is politely practices in your capitalist society of total the United States of KKK A, as the Right Rev Wright, Rightly Remarked........
Idiots like you when stumped can only obfuscate. Urbanization, division of labor and specialization all depend on demography, whatever you might want to call it, capitalism and modern social arrangements weren't delivered to the USA by Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Regarding lynching, check the mortality rates of young black men compared to young white men, that is how lynching is politely practices in your capitalist society of total the United States of KKK A, as the Right Rev Wright, Rightly Remarked........
#46 Posted by tahmed32 on November 7, 2008 8:37:20 am
Professor Masadi #44 writes "Rev Wright has it RIGHT"
Good. I shall add this to the list of Masadi Hypotheses for which you are going to provide supporting data. Unless you tell me that hazrat jibraeel relayed this message directly from God to you and so requires no data.
btw, you have not yet been able to provide data (ranting is not data) for your earlier two hypotheses (the Human Reproduction Theory of Economic Growth, and Lynching as a Tool of Capitalism).
Good. I shall add this to the list of Masadi Hypotheses for which you are going to provide supporting data. Unless you tell me that hazrat jibraeel relayed this message directly from God to you and so requires no data.
btw, you have not yet been able to provide data (ranting is not data) for your earlier two hypotheses (the Human Reproduction Theory of Economic Growth, and Lynching as a Tool of Capitalism).
#45 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 7, 2008 8:17:36 am
#27 Posted by HP on November 6, 2008 2:26:46 pm
{"Khan Bahadar Salim Rajput of Jaipur, Rajhastan,
...But my little studies tell me that violence is part of human psychology/nature and cannot be restricted to ideologies alone.
90% of the violence is personal in nature only ten percent is ideology related. ..What religion or ideology was Alexander promoting but he certainly promoted violence through many lands!...Hitler was not ideology driven, US and the Brits were not ideology driven in both first and second world wars. Their political and nationalist ambitions were behind all those murders. I mean what ideology sent the US to Iraq or even Vietnam?"}
HP Sain,
You make some good points - e.g. Alexander's "ideology." You are also off the mark when you list Hitler, Brits in WWI and WWII, and US in Vietnam and Iraq as examples of violence without ideology.
I agree with you that violence is inherently human. I think that we humans have "evolved," or rather "become crafty," in disguising our violence as part of some higher, nobler, and hence more justifiable, ideology. Thus, violence in the name of God, King, and Country. Violence inthe name of Catholicism. Jihad to preserve and protect Islam. Crusade to wrest the Holy Places from the infidels. Carpet bombing to make the world safe for democracy and exploding the atom bomb for humanity. I thing that we all understand what's been goin on.
{"Khan Bahadar Salim Rajput of Jaipur, Rajhastan,
...But my little studies tell me that violence is part of human psychology/nature and cannot be restricted to ideologies alone.
90% of the violence is personal in nature only ten percent is ideology related. ..What religion or ideology was Alexander promoting but he certainly promoted violence through many lands!...Hitler was not ideology driven, US and the Brits were not ideology driven in both first and second world wars. Their political and nationalist ambitions were behind all those murders. I mean what ideology sent the US to Iraq or even Vietnam?"}
HP Sain,
You make some good points - e.g. Alexander's "ideology." You are also off the mark when you list Hitler, Brits in WWI and WWII, and US in Vietnam and Iraq as examples of violence without ideology.
I agree with you that violence is inherently human. I think that we humans have "evolved," or rather "become crafty," in disguising our violence as part of some higher, nobler, and hence more justifiable, ideology. Thus, violence in the name of God, King, and Country. Violence inthe name of Catholicism. Jihad to preserve and protect Islam. Crusade to wrest the Holy Places from the infidels. Carpet bombing to make the world safe for democracy and exploding the atom bomb for humanity. I thing that we all understand what's been goin on.
#44 Posted by masadi on November 7, 2008 8:10:05 am
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#43 Posted by khurram on November 7, 2008 7:36:59 am
Re #42,
"how do you know that i do not have passionate dialogues with atheist fundamentalists"
because you have not shared any of that at chowk. And because ur articles seem to imply a necessary connection between religion and coercion.
"do you think belief in a Personal God and Religion and Prophets and Scriptures and Life after death adds to human freedom and growth and evolution"
Any belief will promote freedom if,
1) it is not imposed on others.
2) encourages resistance to coercion by others
Do you think it is possible for belief in "Personal God and Religion and Prophets and Scriptures and Life after death" to fulfill these requirements?
"how do you know that i do not have passionate dialogues with atheist fundamentalists"
because you have not shared any of that at chowk. And because ur articles seem to imply a necessary connection between religion and coercion.
"do you think belief in a Personal God and Religion and Prophets and Scriptures and Life after death adds to human freedom and growth and evolution"
Any belief will promote freedom if,
1) it is not imposed on others.
2) encourages resistance to coercion by others
Do you think it is possible for belief in "Personal God and Religion and Prophets and Scriptures and Life after death" to fulfill these requirements?
#42 Posted by drsohail on November 7, 2008 5:24:53 am
Re: # 41
dear khurram...as i said before i like your creative thinking. I think there are more similarities than differences in our philosophy.
how do you know that i do not have passionate dialogues with atheist fundamentalists. I criticzed Communist states who had atheist fundamentalist attitude.
you are well aware that i am against fundamentalist ideology as well as fundamentalist personality. do you think belief in a Personal God and Religion and Prophets and Scriptures and Life after death adds to human freedom and growth and evolution?
sincerely sohail
dear khurram...as i said before i like your creative thinking. I think there are more similarities than differences in our philosophy.
how do you know that i do not have passionate dialogues with atheist fundamentalists. I criticzed Communist states who had atheist fundamentalist attitude.
you are well aware that i am against fundamentalist ideology as well as fundamentalist personality. do you think belief in a Personal God and Religion and Prophets and Scriptures and Life after death adds to human freedom and growth and evolution?
sincerely sohail
#41 Posted by khurram on November 7, 2008 5:11:12 am
Re #34, drsohail,
"for discussion sake if we divide any community in three groups
...religious fundamentalists
...religious humanists...believers
...secular humanists...non-believers"
Fo sake of completion why not add a fourth category - secular fundamentalists. Then you can see that the real issue is not belief vs non-belief but freedom vs coercion.
You have been fighting the wrong battle!
"for discussion sake if we divide any community in three groups
...religious fundamentalists
...religious humanists...believers
...secular humanists...non-believers"
Fo sake of completion why not add a fourth category - secular fundamentalists. Then you can see that the real issue is not belief vs non-belief but freedom vs coercion.
You have been fighting the wrong battle!
#40 Posted by KaalChakra on November 7, 2008 5:10:05 am
"dear khurram...even when i disagree with you, i love the way your mind thinks. you are a sincere seeker of truth."
Have to agree with that, and take this opportunity to join in congratulating khurram.
In fact, there are two individuals with very similar nicks (khurram and khuram?). One of them has always been quite impressive by his distinct readiness to both go beyond narrow interests and question taken-for-granted given assumptions (while still remaining a believer).
Have to agree with that, and take this opportunity to join in congratulating khurram.
In fact, there are two individuals with very similar nicks (khurram and khuram?). One of them has always been quite impressive by his distinct readiness to both go beyond narrow interests and question taken-for-granted given assumptions (while still remaining a believer).
#39 Posted by majumdar on November 7, 2008 4:58:12 am
Kamath sahib,
The only way to deal with them is to ignore them altogether.
Regards
The only way to deal with them is to ignore them altogether.
Regards
#38 Posted by Kamath on November 7, 2008 4:55:48 am
Re: # 36 What do you say Doc - Sohail:
Do you think some of writers and readers of Chowk are mildly sociopathic individuals ? They seem to think verbal abuse and other filthy language as legitimate tools of exchange. How can you deal with these guys?
Kamath
Do you think some of writers and readers of Chowk are mildly sociopathic individuals ? They seem to think verbal abuse and other filthy language as legitimate tools of exchange. How can you deal with these guys?
Kamath
#37 Posted by drsohail on November 7, 2008 4:22:29 am
Re: # 27
Dear HP...Don't you think human beings, for thousands of years, are fighting tribal wars based on tribal mentality ...US / THEM. Over the centuries the nature and definition of tribes has changed
In the last century
In Middle East Muslims were fighting with jews
In India Pakistan border Muslims were fighting with Hindus
In the last decade Osama is fighting Bush...one calls it a crusade and the othe jihad. Bush said, ' if you are not with us you are against us" The difference is that in the past in tribal wars only a few hundred humans died with arrows and guns, now America can wipe out the whole humanity with nuclear weapons and commit collective suicide.
For me nationalism, communism and religion are all ideologies. thank you for sharing your thoughts.
sincerely sohail
Dear HP...Don't you think human beings, for thousands of years, are fighting tribal wars based on tribal mentality ...US / THEM. Over the centuries the nature and definition of tribes has changed
In the last century
In Middle East Muslims were fighting with jews
In India Pakistan border Muslims were fighting with Hindus
In the last decade Osama is fighting Bush...one calls it a crusade and the othe jihad. Bush said, ' if you are not with us you are against us" The difference is that in the past in tribal wars only a few hundred humans died with arrows and guns, now America can wipe out the whole humanity with nuclear weapons and commit collective suicide.
For me nationalism, communism and religion are all ideologies. thank you for sharing your thoughts.
sincerely sohail
#36 Posted by drsohail on November 7, 2008 4:15:27 am
Re: # 10
masadi sahib...you wrote.."Sohail sits on the editorial board of chowk...." I shared with you before that i have nothing to do with editorial board so you do not need to be angry with me if they do not publish your articles.....i never wrote anything disrespectful about you and i request the same...is that asking too much? just relax....sohail
masadi sahib...you wrote.."Sohail sits on the editorial board of chowk...." I shared with you before that i have nothing to do with editorial board so you do not need to be angry with me if they do not publish your articles.....i never wrote anything disrespectful about you and i request the same...is that asking too much? just relax....sohail
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