Khalid Sohail November 4, 2008
#35 Posted by tahmed32 on November 7, 2008 4:07:58 am
Professor Masadi #31: I assume without checking that this link you provide is of that half-brained lunatic trying to make himself important by yelling abuse at the US.
I am not surprised that you applaud him.
I am not surprised that you applaud him.
#34 Posted by drsohail on November 7, 2008 4:06:18 am
Re: # 26
dear khurram...even when i disagree with you, i love the way your mind thinks. you are a sincere seeker of truth.
for discussion sake if we divide any community in three groups
...religious fundamentalists
...religious humanists...believers
...secular humanists...non-believers
i think religious humanists and secular humanists can work together if they can agree on
...freedom of religion as well as freedom from religion
and
...respecting human rights especially of women, children and minorities and agreeing that all citizens are equal in the eyes of the law. thanks for your comments...sohail
dear khurram...even when i disagree with you, i love the way your mind thinks. you are a sincere seeker of truth.
for discussion sake if we divide any community in three groups
...religious fundamentalists
...religious humanists...believers
...secular humanists...non-believers
i think religious humanists and secular humanists can work together if they can agree on
...freedom of religion as well as freedom from religion
and
...respecting human rights especially of women, children and minorities and agreeing that all citizens are equal in the eyes of the law. thanks for your comments...sohail
#33 Posted by masadi on November 6, 2008 9:02:48 pm
: ) Great job Rev! Obama disowned you but masadi says you speak the truth!
#32 Posted by masadi on November 6, 2008 9:01:56 pm
While watching it forget about Alan Colmes concentrate on the words of the Rev...
#31 Posted by masadi on November 6, 2008 8:59:35 pm
Here is a video especially posted for tahmed and the shrink
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617eK2XIaLk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=617eK2XIaLk
#30 Posted by tahir on November 6, 2008 7:07:36 pm
Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. (Wayne Madsen Report}
More at:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BUN2005 1120&articleId=1291
I've already said so much, what more can I say to DOCKter So-Hail?
More at:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=BUN2005 1120&articleId=1291
I've already said so much, what more can I say to DOCKter So-Hail?
#29 Posted by masadi on November 6, 2008 6:53:37 pm
Sohail writes "
there is also a basic difference in the attitude of ballots and bullets"
Of course there is the bullets are monopolized by the so called proponents of secular constitutions, while the ballot is pushed as opium and slogan while supporting military dictators, by those same "secular" constitutionalists...
Have a nice day you goddamned illiterate buffoon,
TNI masadi
there is also a basic difference in the attitude of ballots and bullets"
Of course there is the bullets are monopolized by the so called proponents of secular constitutions, while the ballot is pushed as opium and slogan while supporting military dictators, by those same "secular" constitutionalists...
Have a nice day you goddamned illiterate buffoon,
TNI masadi
#28 Posted by masadi on November 6, 2008 6:51:27 pm
Sohail writes "...a theocratic ideology in which God calls the shots and sends the manual through the prophets that men and women are supposed to follow (i wonder why there were no female prophets from the middle east)..."
Shrink man do you even know what "ideology" means, you illiterate ignoramus. As to your other BS about "female prophets", only a "god" on Prozac (that you prescribed) would send a female prophet into patriarchal societies....
Have a nice day and keep the chai warm,
TNI Masadi
Shrink man do you even know what "ideology" means, you illiterate ignoramus. As to your other BS about "female prophets", only a "god" on Prozac (that you prescribed) would send a female prophet into patriarchal societies....
Have a nice day and keep the chai warm,
TNI Masadi
#27 Posted by HP on November 6, 2008 2:26:46 pm
Khan Bahadar Salim Rajput of Jaipur, Rajhastan,
I really have no idea what Dr. Sohail expects me to say. He always seemed to be psyched to do the psycho-analysis which obviously does not interest me at all. But my little studies tell me that violence is part of human psychology/nature and cannot be restricted to ideologies alone.
90% of the violence is personal in nature only ten percent is ideology related. Now we can equate ideology with politics but that relationship was established in the last 300 or so years. Before that it was solely the political ambitions that drove many to conquer the world. What religion or ideology was Alexander promoting but he certainly promoted violence through many lands!
Hitler was not ideology driven, US and the Brits were not ideology driven in both first and second world wars. Their political and nationalist ambitions were behind all those murders. I mean what ideology sent the US to Iraq or even Vietnam?
The childish attempts to blame all murders, child and women abuse on ideologies or religions are supported only by psychologically mixed up minds.
I really have no idea what Dr. Sohail expects me to say. He always seemed to be psyched to do the psycho-analysis which obviously does not interest me at all. But my little studies tell me that violence is part of human psychology/nature and cannot be restricted to ideologies alone.
90% of the violence is personal in nature only ten percent is ideology related. Now we can equate ideology with politics but that relationship was established in the last 300 or so years. Before that it was solely the political ambitions that drove many to conquer the world. What religion or ideology was Alexander promoting but he certainly promoted violence through many lands!
Hitler was not ideology driven, US and the Brits were not ideology driven in both first and second world wars. Their political and nationalist ambitions were behind all those murders. I mean what ideology sent the US to Iraq or even Vietnam?
The childish attempts to blame all murders, child and women abuse on ideologies or religions are supported only by psychologically mixed up minds.
#26 Posted by khurram on November 6, 2008 2:07:27 pm
drsohail #24,
"in my opinion there is a fundamental difference between
...a theocratic ideology in which God calls the shots and sends the manual through the prophets that men and women are supposed to follow (i wonder why there were no female prophets from the middle east)
...a secular philosophy in which human beings collectively decide the rules they are going to follow through their constitutions"
What do you think about...
a theocratic ideology in which God calls the shots and sends the manual through the prophets that men and women are supposed to follow
and then,
human beings collectively decide how to interpret His message.
"in my opinion there is a fundamental difference between
...a theocratic ideology in which God calls the shots and sends the manual through the prophets that men and women are supposed to follow (i wonder why there were no female prophets from the middle east)
...a secular philosophy in which human beings collectively decide the rules they are going to follow through their constitutions"
What do you think about...
a theocratic ideology in which God calls the shots and sends the manual through the prophets that men and women are supposed to follow
and then,
human beings collectively decide how to interpret His message.
#25 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 6, 2008 1:54:29 pm
drsohail #24 {"it is interesting how ideologies have been used...
whether communism from the left or islam from the right
to bring violent revolutions...with no regard to basic human rights especially of women, children and mintorities
what do you think?
sincerely sohail
ps...we will see what HP says "}
Dr. Sohail Sahib,
Yes, I agree with your analogy of so-called "Islamic" extremists to the Communist comrades of yesteryear. One could extend this to the right-wing nuts in the US like Timothy McVeigh and his cohorts. They love their ideology and their people so much that they will kill them if necessary to make them see the "truth."
whether communism from the left or islam from the right
to bring violent revolutions...with no regard to basic human rights especially of women, children and mintorities
what do you think?
sincerely sohail
ps...we will see what HP says "}
Dr. Sohail Sahib,
Yes, I agree with your analogy of so-called "Islamic" extremists to the Communist comrades of yesteryear. One could extend this to the right-wing nuts in the US like Timothy McVeigh and his cohorts. They love their ideology and their people so much that they will kill them if necessary to make them see the "truth."
#24 Posted by drsohail on November 6, 2008 1:44:09 pm
Re: # 21
dear salim chauhan...thank you for your thoughtful comments.
in my opinion there is a fundamental difference between
...a theocratic ideology in which God calls the shots and sends the manual through the prophets that men and women are supposed to follow (i wonder why there were no female prophets from the middle east)
...a secular philosophy in which human beings collectively decide the rules they are going to follow through their constitutions
there is also a basic difference in the attitude of ballots and bullets
when religious ideology joins the violent attitude...in which the ends justify the means we have tragic results.
it is interesting how ideologies have been used...
whether communism from the left or islam from the right
to bring violent revolutions...with no regard to basic human rights especially of women, children and mintorities
what do you think?
sincerely sohail
ps...we will see what HP says
dear salim chauhan...thank you for your thoughtful comments.
in my opinion there is a fundamental difference between
...a theocratic ideology in which God calls the shots and sends the manual through the prophets that men and women are supposed to follow (i wonder why there were no female prophets from the middle east)
...a secular philosophy in which human beings collectively decide the rules they are going to follow through their constitutions
there is also a basic difference in the attitude of ballots and bullets
when religious ideology joins the violent attitude...in which the ends justify the means we have tragic results.
it is interesting how ideologies have been used...
whether communism from the left or islam from the right
to bring violent revolutions...with no regard to basic human rights especially of women, children and mintorities
what do you think?
sincerely sohail
ps...we will see what HP says
#23 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 6, 2008 1:01:51 pm
#22 Posted by HP on November 6, 2008 12:55:25 pm
{"Connecting the dots, as I understand it, is meant for looking at the circumstantial evidence or digging through the data, and not creating equations or equivalences or verifying the differences!"}
HP Sahib,
I will let you pin the tail on the donkey. :)
{"Connecting the dots, as I understand it, is meant for looking at the circumstantial evidence or digging through the data, and not creating equations or equivalences or verifying the differences!"}
HP Sahib,
I will let you pin the tail on the donkey. :)
#22 Posted by HP on November 6, 2008 12:55:25 pm
Connecting the dots, as I understand it, is meant for looking at the circumstantial evidence or digging through the data, and not creating equations or equivalences or verifying the differences!
#21 Posted by Salim_Chauhan on November 6, 2008 12:16:52 pm
Sohail Sahib,
You have written a very brief summary regarding the founding of Al Kayda and listed its chronological ancestry. What you haven't done is to clearly state what they would do if they were to (God forbid) succeed in their mission.
I agree with Saima in #4 that merely mentioning Al Ghazali or Maududi or Syed Qutub does not necessarily or conclusively connect the fatal dots. I have every reason to believe that the philosophy and tactics of Al Kayda or even the more "moderate" Tally Ban would be categorically castigated by the Muslim intellectuals of the past.
We have seen Tally Ban rule in Afghanistan in the late 90s with its suppression of women, intimidation of men, and demeaning of Islam. This is no religious issue, it's a simple law and order issue and these miscreants need to be arrested, tried, and punished like the common criminals they are.
You have written a very brief summary regarding the founding of Al Kayda and listed its chronological ancestry. What you haven't done is to clearly state what they would do if they were to (God forbid) succeed in their mission.
I agree with Saima in #4 that merely mentioning Al Ghazali or Maududi or Syed Qutub does not necessarily or conclusively connect the fatal dots. I have every reason to believe that the philosophy and tactics of Al Kayda or even the more "moderate" Tally Ban would be categorically castigated by the Muslim intellectuals of the past.
We have seen Tally Ban rule in Afghanistan in the late 90s with its suppression of women, intimidation of men, and demeaning of Islam. This is no religious issue, it's a simple law and order issue and these miscreants need to be arrested, tried, and punished like the common criminals they are.
#20 Posted by drsohail on November 6, 2008 7:53:50 am
Re: # 19
dear faisal...thank you for your honest comments. in my opinion i was connecting the dots....understanding the psyche of al-qaeda...helped me see the differences between
...religious people...
...religious fundamentalists
...militant religious fundamentalists
who are not only killing non-Muslims but also innocent civilian Muslims
in such people...ideology...personality...politics...come together.
guerrilla war teactics is new. one of my earlier essays on chowk was
psychology of suicide bombers
you might be interested
all the best...sohail
dear faisal...thank you for your honest comments. in my opinion i was connecting the dots....understanding the psyche of al-qaeda...helped me see the differences between
...religious people...
...religious fundamentalists
...militant religious fundamentalists
who are not only killing non-Muslims but also innocent civilian Muslims
in such people...ideology...personality...politics...come together.
guerrilla war teactics is new. one of my earlier essays on chowk was
psychology of suicide bombers
you might be interested
all the best...sohail
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