The Psyche of Al-Qaeda

Re: # 84
dear pinku...i like your creative and analytical mind. keep on sharing your reactions. i enjoy them...sincerely sohail

Re: # 83
dear khurram....i am confused now about your definition of COERCION.
Do you support when Catholic church says that the church will ex-communicate those who will divorce?
Do you support when Saudi Arabian government would not let women drive or perform haj alone or even go to music stores and consider it unIslamic?
Do you support Ahmedis declared non-Muslims by Pakistani Government?
Do you support that President or Prime Minister of Pakistan has to take oath on Quran before taking office?
Do you see these cases as examples of COERCION?
sincerely
sohail
ps...now that you have made masadi happy by criticizing me and supporting him he wants to share chai and ghulab jaman with you...smiles

#95 masadi: You are possessed of the spirit of Uncle Tom. But dont worry, I will exorcise this demon out of you!!

The Exorcism of Masadi now begins:

"Bend to the power of the Great White Father Mills, you rogue!! You have turned our poor Asad into your own personalUncle Tom!! You have possessed the body of Asad and turned him into a Masadi!! A Massadi you runs around saying "Yes Massa Mills!! Yes Massa Mills!!". When Mills says "Jump", Uncle Tom Masadi says "How High, Massa Mills? How high should I jump, Massa??" I command you in the name of the Great White Shark..I mean Great White Father Mills...Leave the body of poor Asad!! Exorcise yourself, you demon Masadi!! Begone!!! Let poor, unemployed, good-for-nothing Asad alone!!"

Now get going

tahmed writes "Masadi: You are the one who as memorized the Great White Father Mills Bible. So, I think the honor of being an Uncle Tom goes to you..."

Me an Uncle Tom, ha ha that has to be the most idiotic things you've come up with. Go check the meaning of Uncle Tom, and just because I use Mills who was against the US capitalist structure, in relation to which Uncle Tomism is described, doesn't mean I am an Uncle Tom. You by your ideas and posts and unconditional support and worship of the White man and his system are the ideal type Uncle Tom and everyone here recognizes it without my saying it....

No get going and polish Bush's ass, as is your day time job...

Have a nice day
TNI Masadi

You might have already noticed it is troll time...

...moral of the story...... part-2nd....

is what i said earlier, as "human rights" are are one of our objective, we can see which current system at least knows or identifies the same objective, here "canada" and "usa" will have less problem than "saudi arabia"..

then the next thing is to see which one is easier to support them... Again, USA and Canada not only identify them properly but they also uphold them at least internally... so those system are much closer to our objective state.... now do the estimates, budgeting, planning etc and start working...





===this i trolled earlier======


#58 Posted by pinku on November 7, 2008 7:22:59 pm
May be, add a few more things (no coercion for the time being):

For each of the categories you listed check
1. What they force you to do - their objective

2. How they force you to do - their means of force/coercion

3. How good or bad are their objectives

4. how good or bad are their means

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Imagine you are in-charge/administrator and think which one can be avoided:

1. just by better knowledge/ideas among your workers (people)

2. by ideas and some framework (like processes/infrastructure: what governments do)


obviously think about whole of humanity ...

there are more subtle issues, which can be discussed later. One of them is in which cases does this force/coercion becomes self propagatory (more for psychologist, he should analyze it here)

Once we are done we can step back and do a round of chorus or antakhshari depending on results..

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"for discussion sake if we divide any community in three groups
...religious fundamentalists
...religious humanists...believers
...secular humanists...non-believers"

- secular fundamentalists.

...moral of the story...... part-1st....

as always, you have following three:

1. current state of the system

2. system state that is your purpose/objective

3. what to do to achieve "objective" state in #2

For #2, if you are looking at whole of humanity, you need to think philosophically/mathematically.. or in simpler terms "truth" wise...

You can initially decide a perfect or close to perfect desired state and then current state and then can see how close you can go depending upon current state.... and by when??



But if you don't set an overall objective, things will remain confusing, arbitrary....
You can have any kind of killings, in any number and the one who kill is as right as the one who got killed....

What is it that we want? Just no killing? for how long? or something more than that? say something that lets ideas/truths evolve without killing or with little killings and your human rights etc?



Once we know what we want, we can think what is stopping us from what we want and waht can take use there..


hmm, i know everybody knows it, we do it daily in one way or other.... but sometimes loud thinking makes you feel, you are part of the system (or part of problem)..

Masadi: You are the one who as memorized the Great White Father Mills Bible. So, I think the honor of being an Uncle Tom goes to you.

tahmed writes "So the best you can do is hide behind cliches about exceptions proving the rule..."

Mian sahib, you were using exceptional (though barbarically arrived at) cases to prove the rule, while ignoring the exceptional factors in those cases as well. In other words you were forcing a conclusion that leaves out the vast majority of cases while cherry picking to prove a point dishonestly.

Nevertheless my worst is still more valid than you best because you are the ideal type Uncle Tom, a standard by which the lesser uncle toms (like Sohail) measure themselves. As our friend HP has stated, if Sohail be a jerk, you be an Uber Jerk.

Have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

#85 masadi: So the best you can do is hide behind cliches about exceptions proving the rule. That is fine if it makes you happy. After all, who am I to differ with the Great Economist Masadi.

I suggest you now write "Das Population" to explain your Human Reproduction Theory of Economic Development. You could even have a great slogan:

Workers of the World Unite..In Bed!!

#75 Posted by drsohail
“one other criterion is the respect for human rights....some countries like canada and norway and newzealand have international ratings of 80s and 90s while most muslim countries like saudi arabia have in their 20s and 30s.�

This is really an intelligent and thought provoking comparison. Little bit uncle tom-ish but that is okay.

Making distinctions is an elementary principle of reasoning. Can someone find any distinctions between Canada, Norway, New Zealand and Saudi Arabia? A naïve question after the learned Doctor made such an intelligent observation.

Saudi Arabia is still a tribal society. Canada never saw a tribal or even a developed feudal society. The indigenous tribes living in Canada, who had some autonomy were systematically killed, deprived of lands and political rights by the Western Settlers who now own Canada and New Zealand. Norway is technically still a monarchy and the English Queen rules both Canada and New Zealand so we can say that comparison has some legitimacy. Saudi Arabia is a kingdom after all.

The Natives Americans were not accepted as the US citizens until the early 20th century. In some US states they did not even have the right to vote until the 1940s. When the natives were declared citizens in Canada? The learned Doctor can possibly enlighten us on that rating too.

But let us see the recent history. Canada, New Zealand, and Norway supported the US attack on a sovereign country Iraq resulting in over 500,000 death and displacement of millions. Many deaths occurred due to indiscriminate bombing in the civilian areas. How many countries Saudi Arabia has attacked in the last fifty years? So while we celebrate the International rating of Canada, New Zealand, Norway and their patron saint US of A, Can we find International rating of Iraq which is still controlled by the US armies? Btw, who should get credit for massacres and bombing of Civilians areas, crimes in Abu Gharaib and slaughter in Fulluja? I guess ten years from now the learned Doctor would gladly quote us dismal international rating Iraq of 2005 compared to Canada of 2005. The problem is Canada and other western countries are guardians of human rights in their own countries-gitmo, patriot act, denial of Habeas corpus in the US notwithstanding- but they really have fun with poor brown, black and yellow people throughout the world.

If the moral support was not enough, Canada and Norway have sent forces to Afghanistan and are culpable in daily deaths of Afghan civilians by US bombers. How many countries have Saudi Arabia Air force bombing the heck out of the civilians?

Can someone find the international rating of human rights in countries under the Western occupation? Did Canadian army perform some peaceful duties in Vietnam? Any ratings from there by any chance?

What a jerk!

Of course, Pinku bhai. You play an important role. (Thumbs up ikon here :) )

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khurram

Let me share with you something I found interesting. It's a jew writing about ancient Jews:

"Most important of all, Jews did not worship other people's divinities. Again, I do not mean to deny the known exceptions: a Jew here who left an inscription of gratitude in an Egyptian temple of the Greek god Pan, a Jew there who indulged his personal ambition and abandoned Jewish life altogether. I do mean, however, to stress that Jews by and large refused to take part in any ceremony or celebration that smacked of idol-worship; this was known, this was resented, but this too was recognized by Roman law. When the Emperors claimed to be divine and demanded that people worship them, everyone knew that an exception had to be made for the Jews and one was made. No equivalent was available to gentile Christians."

How does one approach such a behavior. Is this acceptable to drsohail? Does it have any unwelcome consequences in his view? If not, then what might make this unwelcome, unhealthy?

Hopefully, we will investigate these issues without anyone feeling pressured, because I love the way it is unfolding in a friendly cooperative spirit. Cheers.

Sohail: Keep the chai brewin and the gulab jaman stewin.....

Have a nice day,
TNI Masadi

Khurram writes "Masadi is right when he condemns you for 'stereotypical condemnation of groups' ...."

Thank you kindly,

TNI Masadi

tahmed writes "PS: btw, learned professor, despite over a half century of strong US military presence in Japan, that nation is the world leader in robotics and green technologies..."

Yeah doesn't that tell you something? That if you want to develop you have to let the US rape you and occupy you and even that as an exception and not the rule because of geo-strategic importance of the "sleeping giant" next doors that the US wants to keep an eye on. In many ways South Korea is the same story. Pointing to exceptions to generalize into a rule ignoring the vast majority of cases only befits a dimwit like you who in order to justify his theological belief in the White man's church provides such bullshit examples....

Have a nice day and gear up for you judgment,...it is nigh

TNI Masadi

#82 Posted by KaalChakra on
ok kal bhai,

I am not that intolerant a troll, they are most welcome, i will do my part..:-)


hope what I said (or will say) will give readers a good (or bad) base to understand what will follow...