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Re: # 274
semi-beduin32....
Pokhran was not meant for Pakiland. It was for China...but then again china used Pakiland to....

Farruk...
You high breeeders are like pest in India. We, Indians will like you guys to migrate to your promised land...bloody parasites...

tahmed,

I have not been following the mind-numbing details of multivariate birth rates. But I should point out that you have indeed displayed tendencies to belittle, even demonize, others over disagreements. I say this based on my interactions with you over a range of topics.

At times you are too close to your Islam to rationally see flaws in your logic. And when these flaws are pointed out, you tend to get unduly upset, resorting, perhaps unwittingly, to coarse behavior.

As for Naqshbandi venerating dead men, note that Quran itself tells believers to venerate dead men from thousands of years ago; it calls them “prophets�. And so what if Naqsh prays at the graves of pirs and babas. BFD! Entire Christian world prays to a dead man. So what?

As for lamenting the lost innocent lives, you may want to revisit your fervent, blind support for a certain war … where, as you later admitted, the wrong country was attacked. It is easy to adopt the high road and blame others; it is difficult to identify the same demons in ones own self.

As I pointed out, at times you are too attached to your viewpoint to see flaws in your own reasoning. But this should not translate to belittling others.

tahmed32:

No offense taken. But if I indeed used bogus studies and statistics to malign Muslims, then I would indeed be a Muslim hater.

#304: i dont prophesize. and i dont ban. at least run up a tree and fetch a coconut while you are gibbering - that way you wont be a total waste.

prophetboy...enough wity the charade...go ahead and ban me already...

i see mr arjun is working hard to shamelessly re-register for the 39th time on chowk, having no other life. good job, i have tried to help you by flagging your posts so chowk staff can take notice.

#300 DM: You are right. Sometimes I find it useful, for purposes of clarity, to summarize in a word or two what I see an individual's posts indicate about the poster's basic views. I try not to unfairly categorize someone though, and that is why I generally provide an explanation of why I am applying (as you say) a label.

I remain aware though that one can never pass judgement on anyone for all time to come since people do change their views over the years.

Let us then simply agree to disagree then, with no personal offense intended and certainly none taken.

#300 Posted by dost_mittar on November 15, 2008 7:09:11 am

prophetboy can do whatever he wants...including ignoring facts and figures...

he can says the american people think better of pakiland than india even though opinion polls show that americans view india favorably and pakiland unfavorably by a 2-1 margin..

prophetboy's high horse is so high and the air so rarefied at that level that he can believe whatever he wants...

tahmed:

Doesn't matter. My point stays - you cannot disagree without labeling people.

Fortunately, neither I nor the rest of the muslim world need you or any other muslim-hating indian to define Islam for us. And no - I have no respect for those who applaud terrorists or those who stand on its head the fundamental message of islam that all men are equal before God.


prophetboy...I know you are reality challenged...

this is a poll from 2006..

reality is anti-islam...and anti-prophetboy...


Although Americans believe they are better informed about Islam than they were five years ago, a new CBS News poll finds fewer than one in five say their impression of the religion is favorable.

Forty-five percent of respondents queried April 6 - 9 said they have an unfavorable view of Islam, a rise from 36 percent in February. And the public’s impression of Islam has diminished even more compared with four years ago. In February 2002 – less than six months after the terrorist attacks of September 11 – the country was evenly divided in its impression of Islam.

dm #297 OK. muslim-hating does not describe you. but Islam-hating does.

tahmed32:

"Fortunately, neither I nor the rest of the muslim world need you or any other muslim-hating indian to define Islam for us"

Thanks for proving my point by calling me a muslim-hating Indian. You seem to be incapable of disagreeing with someone without labeling them.

tahmedi ji does not treat Urstruly any different than any non-Muslim who agrees with Urstruly or Naqshbandi.

The issue here is the birth rates of Islamic people. That is something we should be able to agree on.

#294 dm sahib: when urstruly applauds terrorists and calls the pakistan army "napaak" for fighting them, then that makes him a terrorist lover. and read up on the naqshbandhi sect and read up naqshabandhis posts littered with veneration of dead men, and you will see i am not off the mark.

Fortunately, neither I nor the rest of the muslim world need you or any other muslim-hating indian to define Islam for us. And no - I have no respect for those who applaud terrorists or those who stand on its head the fundamental message of islam that all men are equal before God. Too many innocent lives have been lost to the hands of terrorists for me to join your politically correct ways of insulting muslims.

tahmedji:

Why do you have to label other people's views with derogatory adjectives of your own and call Urstruly's views "terrorist lover" and that of Naqshbandi's as "dead man worshippers", especially when they merely represent two very well-respected and established schools of subcontinental Islam, Deoband and Bareli? It would be nice if you could respect other people's views the same as you have every right to expect them to respect yours.

#291 DM: I know your views on sunni Islam are the same as those of terrorist-lover Urstruly and dead-man worshipper Naqshbandhi. That is of course just as convenient as Dost Mittar Theory of Muslim Fertility.