Yes we can, Obama!

Re: # 181
HP...
"Planning in India but the Muslim women who end up in hospitals after a few births go for snip,snip and in some cases w/o telling their husbands...."
Actualy The Calf (Sanjay Gandhi) intiated that procedure. But Congress lost moslem votebank for forcing family planning (during emergency) and reverted its policy.
In our Sub Divitional hospital one moslem female ( in mid 40s) had come for ligation. She had already delivered 19 to-be-criminals at her home and while she was facing acute financial problem, came for ligation to collect Govt. assistance (INR400 + nutrient)....this is the actual scenario...

Re: # 110
beduinoid32...
minorities are attacked in india, but they too attack indians...in pakiland, minorities are vanishing and unlike creating special protection laws for minorities, pakis created laws like huddod, blashphemy etc. to intimidate them...that is THE core difference and that is why ISAF drones are attacking Pakiland not the forests of Kandhamal...don't bring stupid logic like donkey pee and humans also pee, so humans is donkeys (no offense to donkeys by comparing them with pakis)....

Re: # 188
bull....

so the world will be filled with cockroaches and all the prophetic predictions (including (if anything is there) from that famous french, nostr....)....

Kal, even bull is agreeing with puranic prediction ( Kali yug)...
An evil creature will take birth in the pradesh (country) of mushal (Arabia) and will have such influence, that people will kill each other without any justification...and humanity will go back to stone age....

bull...
"of the three large monetheistic religions, one will have nearly disappeared demographically - judaism.....one will stay even or go down - christianity.....and one will be booming and will become the largest, overtaking christianity - islam......."

are you sure? christians are growing rapidly in africa and south america and the evangelists are now targetting india...let us see...
but if any jihad/crusade is fought now ( like that of the time of mo or later), 2/3 nukes in pakiland and bd- moslems will be down 1/3rd....that calculation, you need to keep in mind, at least keeping in mind the story of vietnam....

Re: # 55
akcheema...
"Israel is where it was always meant to be ... with Jerusalem as its capital!..."
Unfortunately, Pakland is not where it supposed to be- it should be very close to arab deserts. BTW, is there any revealition from arabic moon god on the future of promised land for moslems of the east? something similar to splitting of moon. Pakis deserve the reward- staying closest to temple of Kaaba (such that they can perform pilgrimage without VISA etc....)....

Re: # 218
bull...
Islam is growing in India mostly due to high breeding ( my sister's colegue used to tell- these creatures grow like hyacinth in pond) and migration from BD...conversion is absolute no...moslems try to use caste division to bring some people in their fold bu bluffing ( murag beg type), but when it comes to riots, the low caste people beats moslas by taking money from baniyas....


Majumder, Bull....
The history of Parsee migration from their native land is almost similar to that of jews. Both the groups spit on Islam...

Parsees do have their home land, eyeSlumic republic of eyeRun(Islamic Republic of Iran) and there is no controversy regarding this (moslas claim the current day jews are descendents of europeans than people of old Judea) so far....

While evading islamic barbarism, Parsees opted for East and landed up in India ( at that time India was better option than Europe). On the contrary, most of the jews migrated to europe ( few in western coast of India- both Malabar and Konkan)...
Jews have contributed very less to european enlightement. Rather, they have benefitted from it and started shining during and after 19th century. The jews, who are living in India, lead life of typical local population Marathi, Gomantak and Malayali. No high funda industry, high achievements.......

http://pewforum.org/events/?EventID=82

kaalchakra #224 no, it would not be OK to talk about Catholicism either. At least not until you address the question I had asked you in my post about how come France, a Catholic nation, was the first one in the 19th century to have undergone a drop in fertility rates.

Anil: I went back and read your posts #138-150 that you had been good enough to refer to me. Your posts are on the mark, and indeed reflect my own understanding of what is now the general consensus on the fertility rates. Urbanization and the growth of the middle classes are indeed considered to be the two driving forces behind the drop in fertility rates. This has been seen in one nation after another.

I recall in the 1960's a common joke about Bengalis we used to have was that they produce lots of babies. Our next door neighbor was a Bengali, and they had 6 children, so that confirmed to me this belief as well back then. However, fertility rates dropped in Bangladesh as an unexpected but welcome result of the empowerment of women brought about by the micro-credit schemes in that country. And so, in a poetic justice, Bangladesh now has a lower fertility rate than Pakistan (where the demographic transition to lower rates came much later). I had the pleasure of finding this for myself when visiting Bangladesh in the 1990's and doing some informal checks with women groups - hardly any woman had more than 2 or 3 children, and their children were all going to school.

dost mittar #223 I asked you to look at inter-country comparisons of muslim countries vs india on fertility rates and you rejected without presenting any reason for the rejection. I presented to you the by now generally accepted global consensus on the factors underlying demographic transition, and you rejected that by throwing the name of yet another indian "research organization" at me that i am supposed to know of (and no, i never heard of this indian doctor ashit or whatever his name is either).

So, i am through trying to convince you. You are welcome to your made-in-india beliefs. At least you are consistent in your view of islam as being the source of problems.

Re: # 248

You do amit there is Gendr selection and infanticide going on as also discouraging attitude for female inOunjab northern idia and may be other.

If those babies survived the ratio of women innonmuslim would be greater if it is SAME Now .Its not rstio i am interested inbut absolute numbr particularly female non muslims

Regarding alarmed rraised by hindutva the larger figure for muslim was due to inclusion of Kashmir in the cnsus for the first time



How can it be that the census, whose life and job it is to produce accurate numbers, could have sensationally published the growth rate of the population of various religious groups in India without controlling for the fact that the previous census (1991) did not include Jammu and Kashmir?

"It took non-specialist journalists to point out this simple error. For Muslims, this error is huge -- without J&K, the Muslim population growth rate is 2.6 per cent per annum 1991-2001, compared to a growth rate of 1.8 per cent for Hindus; with J&K in 2001 (and not in 1991) the Muslim population growth rate is 3.1 per cent per annum.

Shah2:

I think that one cannot say that two or less is better in all circumstances. For example, Japan, Russia, Italy and other countries should have now a policy or two or more as their birth rates are not even equal to population replacement rate, which I believe is 2.1 for most developed societies.

But in most countries of South Asia and Africa, the countries' resources and infrastructures cannot support a high birth rate.

Re: # 246

D.M. sb that does not answer my question Why is it lesser the better .

Why two kids or less is sophisticated and larger family backward ?

In some ways it compaensates for those highly educated given to carrer and not interested in Kids .Even without that only criteria for as large a family possible is if it is prctical & feasible

Shah2:

While the low sex ratio in Punjab and Haryana is well publicised, I do not know if there is a significant difference between Hindus and Muslims at an All India level.

But one should note that while greater sex ratio may lead to more births, it does not affect total fertility rate which is the average number of children born to a woman over her lifetime.

anil:

In Quebec, nationalism and irreligiosity have both happened alongside Quebec's so-called Quiet revolution, as has its lower birth date. The trend towards lower birth rate seems to have started in 1960s.

Despite what some people say, very few Muslims have larger families because they want to overtake the Hindus; they are simply individuals making individual choices, in which what they believe is a sin may be one of the factors. I am simply pointing out empirical facts.

Faruk:

The Muslim as well as Non-Muslim birth rate is significantly impacted by various factors, such as rural/urban divide, income and, most importantly, female literacy rate. However, if you go back to my earlier posts, you would see reference to studies that show that birth rates for Muslims remains higher after the effects of other variables is accounted for.

Yes, for poor families children are considered an asset [there is a popular Indian saying that when God gives one mouth, He also gives two hands to feed], so poor families do tend to have more children among both Hindus and Muslims.

And I have not seen any studies [I haven't seen many recent years] which use "religiosity" as a factor, only religion]. However, we all know that in some religions, using contraceptive is a sin, Gandhi thought so anyway.

Re: # 237

Kaal bhai is your enquiry specific to relation of religion to populationgrowth or of religion devoid of geography

For e,g Saudie may be considered as unadulterated Muslim population than anty other place the following is part of C.I.A report


Median age: total: 21.5 years
male: 22.9 years
female: 19.8 years (2008 est.)
Population growth rate: 1.954% (2008 est.)



Birth rate: 28.85 births/1,000 population (2008 est.)




Death rate: 2.49 deaths/1,000 population (2008 est.)
Net migration rate: -6.82 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2008 est.)
Sex ratio: at birth: 1.05 male(s)/female
under 15 years: 1.04 male(s)/female
15-64 years: 1.3 male(s)/female
65 years and over: 1.08 male(s)/female
total population: 1.19 male(s)/female (2008


Taking this as yardstik u can ompare with Jews Christians or any other group