The Muslim Protagonist and the Past Three Years

Re: # 114

Youre mixing Pt. Jasraj with Pt. Ashish Khan, I believe.

@ #118 laddu

I didn't put it in the interview while doing the translation. Didn't seem to lead anywhere.

How does what a Paki thinks matter if I can't do what I think is right?

Re: # 115

"He was born to a vegetarian family. Deduce what you want. "

Vaibhav ,

Can you point towards that part of interview please??

As regarding "Hari Om Tatsat" part of BG , you are ignorant of the fact that there are thousands of compositions that are sung by muslim khyaliyas . Ask a Paki , whether such people singing praises to Hindu idolator deities is an insult to Islam or not?

How can you talk about 'confluence' when the fact is that ulemas are unanimous about this being kufr??

Pandit Jasraj's entire family re-converted after independence. That is the fact and he is clear that muslims munafiqoon khayal singers can never do justice of a vaishnav composition that requires exposition as per the composition in praise of shri krishna .

That is why muslim singers bray more instead of singing beautifully the vaishnav compositions .

All this 'confluence' thing is just a nice story to hide the inner contradictions of Arabianism trying to subdue the Hindu thought through dhimmi-fication.

Mistaken enema is the correct term.

Vaibhav Jain inserted the enema tube into his ear and flushed out his brains!

Ref KaalChakra #108

[The idea that the majority ought to safeguard the lives and the rights of the minority is a good and noble one. That is one of the beauties of Islam, which, unlike in India, keeps relations between even contradictory groups relatively peaceful and pleasant in Islamic countries.]

Yep, that is why you can't take a Bible or a picture of a Hindu god into Saudi Arabia. Are you saying we should do the same to Allah, Jesus, etc., in India and destroy all the mosues and churches?

[For that to occur, the first requirement is that the state has to be explicitly aligned with the majority, as occurs in all Islamic countries. That is what we must aim for, if we want good inter-communal relations.]

Are you saying India should be declared a Hindu country instead of being this bending-over-forward for Mozzies and Minorities kind of country?

@ # 114 laddu

I did.

Point is, you addressed my point about "spirituality' not being a non-issue for Panditji and then suggested that I should have asked him about whether or not he did converted to hinduism.
You then go on to talk about him finding no real reason to stay Muslim while singing Vaishnava Bhajans.

I tried to counter that with my examples.

As for the first point, here's what he did tell me though: He was born to a vegetarian family. Deduce what you want.

Re: # 111

Vaibhav,

You did not understand what I said - I said Pandit ji was a born muslim who converted to hinduism!!!

Now, I hope you understand all that I said before!

i so wish you lefties with an agenda leave music alone. isnt anything sacred for you faithless? stop it, just STOP IT! you are NOT helping you ignorant stupidos...stick to bollywood or something to show how (hindoo) communalism is successfully countered and leave classical music ALONE!

@ #109 nb

The reason I choose just the last three years is explained by your own comment. The movie that you propose as the best representative of the topic in hand released almost 35 years ago. There has been this huge period in between and like you said, "How many new films, do you think, came close to Garam hawa?" ... None! Which is why I chose to screen it on campus last semester placing it over a lot of other possible choices. Sheikh and Sahni were just amazing !

@ #103,104 laddu

Look, as far as I know, Hindustani Classical Music has been the one place that has served as a confluence of artists from both the religions. Philosophical differences were a non-entity and only purity of sur mattered; irrespective of the religious beliefs. Have you heard Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan’s ‘Hari Om Tat Sat’? Jasraj himself has touched so many Muslim hearts with his popular ‘Mero Allah Meherban’. I expected him to speak on the same lines but it was imperative to ask and record.

Re: # 37
adnan...
we are also feeling sorry for indian muslims for living in a country, which is not completely under arab slavery...we will be happy to see the beduine follower bipeds living in india to migrate to arabic moon god's promised land....
BTW, are Pakis ready to accept them? Only 18/19 crore....

"it wouldn't kill you to admit that it takes two hands to clap. and that as a majority, you are obliged to safeguard the lives and rights of the minorities. no matter how distasteful you find them. no matter what crimes their ancestors committed without their due consent...."
Yeh, everybody spanning from UK,France,Spain,India, Thailand, Mynmar has the responsibility to keep moslas happy and just accept Allahu Kabooms as punishment for not following arabic moon god's commands....
you are realy a great soul....

Vaibhav, good effort, but you cannot see the last three years in isolation. I thought Fanaa was a terrible film, and cannot forgive Aamir for doing it. Not having seen most of the other films you write about, I will have to take your word about the other films.
To my mind the best film ever about Indian Muslims was Garam Hawa. Khalid Mohammed's trilogy about his family comes close; my own favourite is Sardari Begum. We no longer have the "muslim social" so beloved in the films of the 60s and 70s, and that some of us know from reruns on DD. Here I'm thinking of Bahu Begum and others in this genre. How many new films, do you think, came close to Garam hawa?
I also wonder if films like Nikaah would have had a chance of being made today- I suspect they would have been banned or there would have been riots. Thankfully, the films of Sawan Kumar Tak are no longer made, he was obsessed with polygamy and used the Indian Muslim social setup to act out his fantasies.

The idea that the majority ought to safeguard the lives and the rights of the minority is a good and noble one. That is one of the beauties of Islam, which, unlike in India, keeps relations between even contradictory groups relatively peaceful and pleasant in Islamic countries.

For that to occur, the first requirement is that the state has to be explicitly aligned with the majority, as occurs in all Islamic countries. That is what we must aim for, if we want good inter-communal relations.

Ref adnan_rafiq #66

[it wouldn't kill you to admit that it takes two hands to clap. and that as a majority, you are obliged to safeguard the lives and rights of the minorities. no matter how distasteful you find them. no matter what crimes their ancestors committed without their due consent.]

We all notice how this business of safeguarding the rights and lives of the minorities applies to India but not to Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Ref mohar11 #65

[Speaking of "simple", here is one: do you see indian muslims lining up to get into pakiland and other pure-lands around the area?... Nope...]

That is because these idiots thought that, come Aug 14, 1947, Shahjahanabad, Lucknow, Kanpur, etc., would be in Pakistan!

Ref adnan_rafiq #37

[I feel sorry for the Indian Muslims.]

How about taking the whole lot of them into Pakistan? After all, the Muslims in Delhi, Lucknow, Kanpur, Benares, Allahabad, etc., are the ones who voted for the Muslim League which was demanding Pakistan.

Did you say, "Right after the Biharis in Bangladesh"?

Yeah, right.