The Correct Turn

I cant understand why India should waste precious resources on aiding Afghanistan. All this "strategy" is bs. Lets face it; mineral wealth from Central Asia will NOT flow through Afghanistan....not in a couple of decades. Its a failed state & will continue to fail...sad, but true.

India could use all that "aid" for her own starving, unwashed masses.

Faruk,

Watch out!
One of these days a fatwa of "house nigger" awaits you from the wrong side of the border:)

HP: nuke deal will never happen...
Oops - the deal happened...

since then he is jumping around with a thousand chillis up his a33... what a chutya paki...

#69 by rabiawsti

Not that we didn't know this, but now we can safely ignore you next time you whine on and on about Jinnah the evil communalist

Who cares about what you think? I have my opinions and I will voice them. I don't write to win brownie points with Pakis.

#59 by bulleya

baluchistan cannot survive without pakistan.....it is heavily subsidized by pakistan......kashmir can survive without india......pakistan can support it, and it maybe able to support itself through trade and tourism......

As usual, Captain Clueless is clueless! Balochistan has a seaport and more natural resources than the rest of Pakistan combined, and yet it cannot make it on its own. A landlocked Kashmir with tourism as its only revenue generator will make it big! No wonder Captain Clueless was kicked out of the PAF because even in a place where mediocrity is the norm, the man couldn't make it.

Re: # 106

cheema sahib,

... sorry, i didn't mean to alarm you ..... maybe they will drift off to antartica and chase penguins .....

.... a dosa is very thin rice flour and lentil stuffed with potato bhujia and served with some weird chutney - it is rather good ..... i like mine stuffed with spiced meat and a fried egg ..... i am sure you can find it at some fine indian establishment in your part of the world ..... some dravidian refugees from india in karachi also eat that stuff .... strange, but good with beer ..... of course, it is not as good as good old karahi ghost or lamb sajji ....

is 'do-sa' a plural of 'ek-sa'?

Re: # 105; hamidm sahib
[[i couldn't care less if they broke off and drifted away to join australia .......]]

the 'hajooj and majooj' have already started colonising the red continent sir ... if something isn't done soon, even God is not going to be able to help us! ... we'll all be eating 'dosas' and turning vegetarian in droves

btw ... what the heck is a dosa??

Re: # 103

tahmed,

... where is orissa and why should we pakis be concerned about it ? .......

........look, i will admit that i went to see an indian filum with mrs hamidm and her friends at a theater a couple of years ago; i will also admit that i am guity of eating a dosa at a hindoo's house and kind of liking it; if you insist, i will also admit that i have a hindoo drinking budddy (but he is not vegetarian) and i have had kingfisher beer (not bad)........ but that is the extent of my involvement with these ... these ... hajooj and mahjooj who live on the wrong side of the border .......... i never, ever, read hindoo papers and i am proud that i have no idea whether madras is north or south of delhi ...... and why should i? ..... if these people gave up kashmir i couldn't care less if they broke off and drifted away to join australia .......

..... as far as i am concerned, a nun being raped in orissa is like a tree falling in the amazon jungle .........

Re: # 103; tahmed sahib

I concur sir ... however I don't think nb was trying to justify those atrocities ... and I am sure she'd condemn all that occured in Orissa in the recent past quite openly. she is one of the most 'just' persons around on chowk

It is not that uncommon in the third world for the 'stories' to change a little bit ... depending on local pressures ... that in no way dimishes the impact of such atrocities on the victims involved

this is what I advocate as a 'balanced argument' ... both India and Pakistan have to learn to rise above their inner insecurities and acknowledge the horrendous acts of crime that take place daily ... and majority directed against the 'have-nots' who, most of the time, don't stand a chance of getting some justice due to 'local' pressures and constraints ... it is truly sad

nb #102: the nun was raped, brutalized and paraded naked in the streets. put yourself in her shoes, then think again about why it is her "shortcomings" that are the problem to you - not the shortcomings of the cowardly lowlife who attacked and raped her, the rats in police uniforms who did nothing to protect her. in other words, it is the victim whose "faults" you are quick to point to, not the criminals running lose.

the lowlife who actually attacked her are not even as important as the BJP thugs who set them lose. is the BJP hierarchy in orrissa behind this attack unknown to anyone in that state or elsewhere in india that they need the already traumatized nun to come forth??

as a woman, and a well educated woman, you should not need to be reminded of this by anyone.

there is no need for endless discussions on this issue, nor anything personal - so lets just discuss this (or you can chose not to further discuss it) here on the fp. Why is this "tribal instinct" so strong in the sub-continent that every issue is seen through these communal lens. even by otherwise perfectly sensible, well-educated people like yourself (i am not even talking about those driven clinically insane by communalism in india).

The turnout in Kashmir has been high so far. Obviously this is only one stage, but at least acknowledge the truth. Even the headline provided by HP said nothing about the poll turnout. Some of the violence has been between Mufti's people and the NC. Lone's daughter is contesting the elections.
Tahmed32, suggesting I called the Orissa nun a terrorist is a low blow from you. I am asking that she and the church cooperate, else people like parthaab get a free pass to say women make up stories. Rape victims always find it hard to do ID parades, but they get support from friends and family, and they do it even though it feels like death. You cannot refuse to turn up to repeated parades and then claim the government is not acting. Even the accused have rights.
And that's all I will say on this thread. Kindly open a thread on unplugged if you wish to say more, or say it on my thread.

20k more dandas up paki mohammeds...

U.S. eyes "surge" of over 20,000 for Afghanistan
Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:16pm EST

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By David Morgan

CORNWALLIS, Nova Scotia (Reuters) - The Pentagon is considering a plan to send more than 20,000 troops to Afghanistan over the next 12 to 18 months to help safeguard elections and quell rising Taliban violence, officials said on Friday.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said he and top commanders had discussed sending five brigades to Afghanistan, including four brigades of combat ground forces as well as an aviation brigade, which a defense official said would consist mainly of support troops. An Army combat brigade has about 3,500 soldiers.

Gates said much of the infusion could take place before Afghanistan holds elections by next autumn.

"I think it's important that we have a surge of forces before the election," said Gates, who stressed no decision on troop deployments had been taken.

"We've had some very preliminary discussions," he told reporters after meeting to discuss southern Afghanistan with his counterparts from NATO countries with troops deployed in the region.

Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said more support troops, also known as "enablers," could also head to Afghanistan as Gates considers a request by U.S. Army Gen. David McKiernan, the top commander of NATO and U.S. forces in the country.

"The commanders are looking for well north of 20,000 forces. Gates wishes to fulfill the commanders' request," Morrell told reporters as the U.S. defense chief returned from Cornwallis.

Violence in Afghanistan has surged to the highest levels since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion toppled the country's Taliban government.

An Army combat brigade is already scheduled to arrive in eastern Afghanistan in January to begin training Afghan forces.

Most of the remaining forces, which could begin deploying as early as next spring, would likely head to poppy-growing southern Afghanistan where commanders say the NATO force of 18,000 troops is too small to contend with an increasingly confident Taliban insurgency.

There are now some 70,000 Western forces in Afghanistan, including 32,000 U.S. forces -- 14,500 under NATO command and 17,500 under a U.S. command.

'SURGE'

Gates' use of the term "surge" to describe the influx drew parallels with the 2007 U.S. force build-up that placed an extra 30,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and contributed to a sharp decline in violence there.

"The key is how do we reverse the trends of the last couple of years or so in terms of rising violence and create a better security environment in which economic and civic development can go ahead and take place," Gates said.

HP is commenting on nuclear technology?

HAHAHAHAHA....

Hamidm,

You would deserve the fate that you fear the most......you play with fire and you get fire.....

As I said earlier..even a Pakistani murtid is worse than an Indian Wahabi........

India’s program is all about Pakistan.
http://www.isis-online.org/publications/southasia/indiagrowingcapacit y.pdf

“India has several political and technical motivations for making low and highly enriched uranium. Interviews with senior Indian officials show that they felt pressure to match Pakistan’s accomplishments with gas centrifuges. More importantly, Indian officials have expressed interest in having an indigenous source of enriched uranium for domestic research and power reactors, thermonuclear weapons, and naval reactors. The RMP does not appear large enough to provide enriched uranium for all of these requirements, particularly the Tarapur reactors. India’s recent actions to import low enriched uranium for the Tarapur reactors underscore this conclusion�