The Correct Turn

"What is surprising to me is that u are accused of having "cantonment mentality" by Aasif and the like..and HP is supposedly the enlightened civilian..but your posts tend to give the opposite view?"

Istuka,
You are still living in the 70s stuka. Things are different now. Politics in the area is changing fast. Forget about the old paradigms.

Nuke are no guarantees but nice to have...

Now Pakistan has made two more giant rectors in Khushab.
It is estimated each will produce enough Plutonium for 50 nukes a year.

http://www.isis-online.org/images/khushab/reactor.html

http://www.is is-online.org/images/khushab/heavyh2o.html

http://www.isis-online.org/images/ khushab/comparison.html

http://www.isis-online.org/publications/southasia/new khushab.pdf

Third reactor... a big one at Khushab.
http://www.isis-online.org/publications/southasia/ThirdKhushabReactor. pdf

TAhmed: HP is gassing about India sending troops to Afghanistan. There are very limited troops providing security to some of the civil projects. There have been numerous Indian nationals killed.

What is surprising to me is that u are accused of having "cantonment mentality" by Aasif and the like..and HP is supposedly the enlightened civilian..but your posts tend to give the opposite view?

America Shocked to Learn India Has a Navy
And they sunk a pirate ship! Whoa!

This was the headline!

#HP: the nuclear weapon is actually pakistan's insurance policy against losing turf to any other nation. and by the same token, india may extend influence economically, but on land at least will remain hemmed in by pakistan to the west. india may contribute a few token brigades to isaf (as some arab nations and turkey have done in the past), but i doubt if the afghans will permit a substantive force from india.

so, the real danger to pakistan remains taliban/al qaeda, regardless of what retired generals on pakistan tv rant about.

wait..pakistan has a navy????

Faruk: Agreed on the first point. It's amazing that the same feudal who lives of the labor of hundreds of workers and denies any sort of self determination become all sanctimonious. Flip side, I find the Indian morality play hard to digest - though lately we have thankfully become a nation less prone to giving lectures.

wrt the second point, that was the case in the mid 90s. By the turn of the millenium, I think the ardour had cooled down on their side as well.

Indians are not going to Afghanistan. This has not been reported anywhere. The only reason Indians are going to Somalia is because every third day an Indian crew manned ship is being hijacked. Considering that a lot of your folk are in the merchant navy as well, your Navy should be doing the same

re: stuka #80
Kashmir is a nice distraction that the Pakistani elite have against what Hamid calls the unwashed masses. But you have to admire how they have managed to brainwash an entire nation.

When I was studying in the US you had to just mention Kashmir at one of those desi get togethers and all the Pakistanis would huddle together and try and solve the Kashmir problem and leave the food to the rest of us. It's amazing, it never fails..


Regards,

Faruk

Well I agree with you Tahmed. and I welcome Indians in Afghanistan. They need to get a taste of what it is like to be a regional power. When US gives you money, you ought to be ready to serve.

The Pakistani generals are mad because they don't control Afghanistan anymore. Just remember in the recent history (about 150 yrs) Afghanistan was technically ruled from India. There was a break from 1947 until 1992 but now things will get back to normal.

#86 HP: they are getting this provincial autonomy, as one of the few actions the zardari govt has taken. so, if what you say is correct, we should see the baluch nationalist movement slowing down.

Tahmed,
Baluch are part Kurd. There is resentment in Irani Baloch too but they are barely 2% of the iranian population. Baluch do not agree with the Pakistan state and the army politically but historical connections with the areas now Pakistan are so enormous that the Baluch would find it hard to breakaway from Pakistan. They would settle for more autonomy which will happen anyway in Pakistan.

HP: PTV was saying india is also sending two brigades to ISAF in afghanistan. and a retired lt. gen. (one of those who made the mess in afghanistan) was ranting about how this means pakistan is now surrounded by india.

if i could slap anyone's face, i would love to slap the face of these clowns in pakistan (TV talkers, ex-generals, and so forth) who let out hot air about "sovereignty" while ignoring the ground realities - the fact that thousands of arab/central asians have already been allowed into pakistan without a passport but with guns and suicide belts under musharraf.

re: HP # 74

proof ? It can't be that hard for you to find the post.

Regards,

Faruk

HP #77 the baluch are distributed between iran, afghanistan and pakistan. you dont hear of a baluch separatist movement in iran or afghanistan. that supports my view that baluch independence is about greed for the natural resources of baluchistan by baluch sardars in pakistan.

and i suspect all "freedom movements" (including kashmir) have less to do with the welfare of the ordinary people and more about the welfare of the fat cats (or fat cat wannabes).

hamidm2
I think I have mentioned an inconvenient truth.


Regards,

Faruk