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That won't happen because Indians won't let it happen, obama or no obama. The biggest threat to India on that score comes from the idea of "soft borders" that some Indians are buying into, IMO. Not sure how that can be done without effectively handing kashmir to Pakistan in the next twenty years. But that is a different debate.

#191 Posted by KaalChakra on November 23, 2008 4:05:05 am


There has been some speculation


If by speculation you mean mass self-delusion by pakis(and Kuldip Nayyar types) in their little echo chamber of self-delusion, yes...there was "speculation"...

what'll be even more fun is seeing the whole "obama will deliver kashmir on a platter to the land of the pure" delusion being popped...

arjun, that is good news for India. There has been some speculation if Obama would cool off on that deal.

But is Karl Inderfurth an Obama aide? And can we take his views as reflective of Obamas? I am still concerned, arjun!

BTW, if the police does have witnesses in its own ranks, then I take all those words back, and will agree entirely with HP.

You know what the best part of an Obama victory is? Seeing paki sheikchillis climb out on the limb again...seeing pakis self-deluding themselves into t-shirt with paki flag type expectations...only to see those hopes dashed by reality..

Obama will take forward the Indo-US nuclear deal: Aide

NEW DELHI: Terming the Indo-US nuclear deal as the "tipping point" in the new relationship between the two countries, a key aide of President-elect Barack Obama has expressed confidence that the new administration will take forward that agreement and build on it despite initial reservations the Democrat had on the issue.

Former Assistant Secretary of State for South Asia Karl Inderfurth said US would "encourage" India to follow suit if Washington ratified the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (CTBT).

Inderfurth hoped that the "significant agreement" concluded by the Bush administration will be pursued by Obama, who is also supporter of the landmark pact between the two countries.

"I think he is a strong supporter of the agreement. So, this agreement to me as I often said that Brajesh Mishra once describe President Clinton's visit to India in March 2000 as a turning point in this new relationship," Inderfurth told Karan Thapar on CNN-IBN's 'Devil's Advocate'.

The Obama aide said he would suggest the Obama administration to "continue, continue and continue" the relationship with India for which a strong foundation was laid by President George W Bush and former President Bill Clinton during his eight-year tenure.
"I would describe the agreement signed and pursued by President Bush and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh as the tipping point. I consider this as fundamental for our new relationship and I have no doubt that the Democratic administration is going to taking this agreement and build on it otherwise as well," he said when asked whether Obama will honour the fuel supplies assurances given by Bush.

"As reported, some Policemen were witness to the rape."

HP, that is not right. There is no witness other than a Christian pastor (or some other Christian missionary) who helped her file the complaint, in the first place.

HP, nb is far less religiously driven than what she sometimes gets blamed for. I confess to my own motivations, which are quite religious and partisan in nature.

Look, the case as it stands today, in addition to hurting women, hurts Hindus and India as a state the most. That may be great for semtics, but it is not good for Hindus and the Indian state.

Hindus have been accused of perpetrating or being instrumental in perpetrating a gang rape on a Christian woman. The Indian state has been blamed in standing by as the semitic woman was raped and its police did nothing.

All of semitic world is full of the news. Christian websites have nothing else to discuss these days. Many other allegationons are being made against Hindus, including that Hindus in Orissa have put bounties on the heads of Christians. We have seen those allegations of cataclysms from semitics before, and we understand that.

Some Hindus have been punished because of these claims by a Christian woman. The Indian state has taken a hit. That is ok too.

Now, Hindus and the Indian state are simply asking that the Christian woman who made those allegations cooperate in finding the truth.

There should be no hiding the religious motivations on either side. This case would not have drawn such interest from semitics had this woman not been a semitic. Nor would Hindus want to pursue it were Hindus not being blamed by semitics.

Some Hindu men have been punished. It is time for the semitic woman to do what every other woman is expected to do in such a situation.

HP, your interacts are not worth replying to. I have said what I wanted to. You are not even reading them. You are the weakest link, good bye!

#182 Posted by nb
"And it was not a gang rape; by the way, people do usually survive gang rapes."
Okay, so it was a rape in a public square by one person...I am just wondering how many people helped that one person in the act? Yes, people survive gang rape what is the insight in your comment?

"It has only received so much press because she was a nun."

Well I understand that raped hindu women have no value in India for the press to report. This was reported because the problem was going on in Orissa. I was also wondering had Christians raped a Hindu woman in a public square, what your reaction would have been?

As reported, some Policemen were witness to the rape and in that case they don't need any complaint. They should have made an effort to stop the crime and it was their job to arrest the culprit at the spot. Since police has the witnesses in its own ranks there is no need for any other complaint.

90% women in this case would avoid confronting the rapist. It is true in the US and it is true in India. You are blaming her for not reporting the rape and allowing the rapist to roam around free to commit a similar crime later. But you are not ready to blame the police which was a witness to the rape. Your attitude would have been different if a Hindu woman were raped by bunch of Christians in a public square. Bigotry is your middle name or perhaps the last name.

And back to NFP's article, the second phase of polling is now taking place in parts of J and K. Sheikh Abdullah's daughter is standing against her brother in these elections. That's another interesting thing not mentioned by NFP.

I didn't know that, cheema, people who use it a lot do always claim it's good for the digestion. I cannot understand why Indians are so obsessed with digestion: appetite, "acidity", constipation, the whole thinmajig. Bengalis are probably the worst of the lot, or maybe I just think that because I hear more Bengali somatic complaints than others.

Re: # 182; nb

thanks ... I just did a google search ... apparently it is widely used in "unani" medicine by hakeems (majority of whom are muslims!) ... so there goes the hindu monopoly on its usage!

Cheema, hing is asafoetida (sp?). If you have ever eaten veggies or daal at an Indian restaurant, you probably have eaten it. It's got a taste all its own. I like only a very little of it, some people put far too much in it. And yes, I always have some at home. The reason it is associated with Hindus is probably that some people don't eat onions or garlic, and use this instead to flavour their food.

Re: # 180

yaar nb ... chhorr bhi do ab?!

HP, if it was a Hindu woman, we wouldn't be having this conversation since the police would have shooed her away by now. It has only received so much press because she was a nun. And it was not a gang rape; by the way, people do usually survive gang rapes. It's impossible to get the police to pursue any complaints of rape with no other evidence than a complaint by the victim. What you suggest isn't only stupid, which is tolerable, but evil.

dost_mittar and hamidm sahibaan, thak you very much for the great insight (and recipes) into the world of the "dosa" ... now dost ji wrote: [[ I don't know how hamidm liked sambhar, it invariably has heeng in it.]]

this brings me to my next question; what is "heeng"??

Re: # 175 Arjun for your info.
Most of english newspapers are not patriotic more on pay rolls of CIA.They just push rentlessly American elite think line just slave Parrots.
Urdu papers I like as they are not shy to be patriotic.
There are for defence of Pakistan not news people there are not just lusting for west visa and abandon ship. Urdu news is unmassaged and truthful.
Do not worrry make immpeckable resume for collie jobs ( may be as you friend mr. H to send you to Romair to pput word of Coolie job. If he can not help just brush up driving licence as in NYcity and washington they need fresh coolies for driving yellow cabs. They will give you free dress and cap also. Good luck for Cabbie job in NY city.
Good luck good day.