The Correct Turn

If it was a Hindu woman raped by a mob, both Kaal and nb would have had a different position. She being a Christian does not deserve the same treatment that Hindu woman is entitled too.

nb fits the role in a recent study which found that most women would be reluctant to support a rape victim and would actually blame the woman for rape.

#114 Posted by shankar on November 22, 2008 5:01:12 am
HP sain,
"I wonder if you Sindhi Muslims take a page from your Sindhi Hindu counterparts. Those guys really have the Midas touch."

I am not into responding to childish and comical posts but let me ask: are all eleven hundred million Indians following Neal Kashkari and Vikram Pundit?

True, tahmedji, we can't expect every lady to be as courageous and inspirational as Mukhtaran Mai. So the nun has to be given as much support as possible so this tragic case is pursued and brought to some conclusion - not left hanging in the middle.

It will be very unfortunate for ALL of us if all those criminals who raped her went free, or policemen who witnessed her being raped by a mob were to get their jobs back only because there was no follow up on these very seious allegations:(

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I am not sure if you have followed the case, but legally, it will be impossible to keep men locked up on charges of rape, and policemen from getting their jobs back if we made no further progress in this case.

Re: # 157

tahmed mian,

..... who the heck is mukhtaran mai?

#153 kaalchakra sahib: Mukhtaran Mai is indeed an inspiring individual not just for Pakistanis but for thinking people worldwide. But she displayed extraordinary courage. That should not be the standard one applies to the orrissa nun e.g., or to any other rape victim. Also, MM had strong civil society support in Pakistan. The MM episode thus proved to be a stepping stone to the broader attack on Musharraf by a civil society fed up of his shenanigans. So, ultimately she made all of Pakistan strong. That is why it is so important for civil society and thinking people like you and nb to stand up for the weak in your country. Not side with the criminals - leave that to the hamidms of india.

#151 hamidm: "Kaalchakri" may be your comedian's way of addressing kaalchakra, but you have no basis for implying that he is not sincere in what he says.

hamidm #145 by your "logic", no one in any country should speak out against rape because rape takes place in every country. perhaps it is you, not i, who needs to stick to suggesting improving to dosas.

madani sahib,

""Roti and Dal has that punch that can not be same as rice and watery soup. That is reason Indian army has problem and their military officers have no initiative to take over and rule. General carryout out orders is wrong to our mind. The generals should be like lions and tiger always angry and prowl and looking for opportunities and planning moves like wild tigers.""

Aha..so that's the reason why Paki generals have conquered your country so many times. Good thing too, because that's the only war they have ever won. When they are facing rice & dal eating Generals , they get their butts whooped...every time.

hamidm2, unfortunately our societies are messed up in some major ways, at least the Indian sociey is. But our hope is always that we make some slow progress toward seing a better day, collectively. That means at least wanting to punish rapists, no matter which religion they belong to. Just letting possible rapists go, deiberately, seems unwise.

But the most serious allegation here is not that 40 men raped the lady, but that local policemen stood by and did nothing as the lady was raped by 40 men and appealed for help.

Hindu/Muslim/Christian - that's too heinous a crime.

The state mus at least try to fix itself. Five local policemen have been suspended from their jobs over the nun's report that they saw her being raped by a mob and did nothing. There has to be some closure over this. If need be, more policemen might have to be thrown out of their jobs and punished.

Re: # 151
i do not disagree with your observations...its your desensitised aloofness that is disturbing...maybe it is not the real you.

Re: # 146

kaalchakri,

.... thank you for your support, but i think this type of thing in the subcontinent is not really newsworthy - it happens all the time and nobody takes any notice ..... once in a while some uppity reporter or goody-two-shoes ngo worker gets a bee in his topi or her dupatta and makes a big fuss ..... i think it does not become us ..... we are a tough people and are used to walking by dead or dying people on the street, we throw stones at stray dogs and mentally derranged people on the street, we gang up on people and beat them half to death for eve-teasing, our police stations think water-boarding is too sissy for them ...... so, some nun getting raped in orissa or half a dozen women being buried alive in baluchistan is no big whup !

#145 Posted by hamidm2 on November 22, 2008 9:13:50 am


we are on really shaky ground when a member of the parliament defends honor killings on the floor of the house ........


member of parliament and now, member of the cabinet..

If tahmedji is not with us here now, we can open that question to ALL ladies - Indian or Pakistani.

Hopefully, this will be resolved by tomorrow, but right now, today, what should we believe or do?

Prepare to releae all those men lying in jail for raping her with no punishment at all?

Believe that the police did nothing while she was dragged through strets and raped by a mob (or by one man)? Worry about holding some policemen accountable and to be punised for literally facilitating her rape?

Does any lady on Chowk have any PRACTICAL suggestions, today, other than to believe the nun (which we do) and improve the Indian system (which we obviously should)? Once the nun fully cooperates with the police, none of these questions wil have any meaning.

I ask the ladis because NB is right. The core issue is to believe a woman, any woman, everytime, when she says she was raped by a man, or group of men.

Believing the nun, today, what should we do and believe?

hamid writes "tahmed mian,

.... if i were you i would not discuss rape, honor killings and other such things with the horrible hindoos ....."

Tahmed is in no position to discuss those issues he supports the US system of tyranny in which rape is institutionalized (more so than anywhere in the world) as a control mechanism employed by the White elite). 1.2 million per year (completed or attempted) is no small number, neither is the 3 to 5 million women battered every year in the US or the third of the entire female population who has been physically abused in their lives. The US is the trend setter for female oppression all over the globe....

Have a nice day and get a goddamned conscience you miserable Uncle Toms,

TNI masadi

wonder the nun survived the mob rape....
well it was a mob of bhindis.

hamidm, don't knock Pakistanis on this please.

There was a Pakistani woman, named Mukhtaran mai, who fought the system stacked against her, even though she had no great personal resources, no friends in high places (until many jumped on her bandwagaon), and no less murderous intents around her, and still won through sheer persistence.

Let's give Pakistan her due!