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Paracha Sa'ab.. i have to agree with u on the basic idea that u've put fwd.. but dont u think an armed struggle (of whatever type) is unavoidable when the other side proves itself to be indifferent (unwilling) towards the good/democratic way or even the pre-decided rules of the game (that is, the plebisite etc )? After all, the armed struggle was not unpopular, at least not until it stretched fot too long and was successfully cornered/countered the way it was by india.

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kaal....
it is the arabic angle, that is more important to these paki beduine followers...
the best moslas are those who live close to arab deserts...in that respect chinese and bangladeshi moslas are of lower rank in beduinism scale...so, pakis have to jump and shout for the cause of palestinians (though the entire arab nations are engaged in that), not for that of chinku or bd moslas....

iqbal bhai, there is no rule against a school drop out holding any post.

muqaddam, I think what happens is that there are some broad ideas that people (or local groups) use opportunisitically, and quite independently of one another. So we can think of that as a downward flow of effects.

Sometimes, depending upon their own interests, others migh pick up on those local conflicts and make them 'universal.'

So the Palestinian conflict might have a huge support in Pakistan but the struggle of Chinese Muslims may receive a second-hand treatment.

Basically, you have ideas that are universal, and you have self-interests that are local, and the two are mixed and matched opportunistically most of the times.

Dear Nadeem and other Pakistanis

You have written about Militant Islam, Hurriyat and the JKLK, and many other things. But one Think I would like to know from you including others that once the Kashmir Issue is solved where will the Militants go, What are their goals, objectives and missions. What will be their next target, may be the minorities of Pakistan. I still remember once the Afghan war ended the militants settled in Pakistan. They made Pakistan their base or a second home. The rest is History. The result, ethnic violence, Sectarian violence, Gang wars, Land Mafias, Narcotics, drugs (Life Taking), a terrible law and order situation. The militants in Kashmir especially the Hardcore ones want a Taliban type rule, the one which is similar in Swat. Irfan hussien a noted Pakistani Journalist once remarked the militants in Kashmir would turn their guns on Pakistan after the Kashmir problem is over. The militants, Hurriyat or the Jklf cannot give the Kashmiris computers, IT, Hollywood, Bollywood, modern education, better Health services. You have Yasin Malik a school drop out, but wishes to become the Prime Minister of Kashmir.

Iqbal Singh

Political Islam appears to be an acceptable term. However, when applied holistically, since Muslim ummah as an international entity has proved to be a myth despite the religion being dominant in several countries and having more than a billion adherents, the political Islam as perceived by the author is more a matter of local convenience.
So, where Muslims abut Hindus, there is a Hindu-Muslim issue, in the Middle East it is a Muslim-Jew issue, else where it could be a Muslim-Christian issue.
As for Pakistan, since its inception it has tried its level best to galvanise the support of Muslim countries against "Hindu" India in its Kashmir cause but has generally failed. You even had Saddam Hussain of Iraq fully supporting India's position on Kashmir.
So, the so called political Islam notwithstanding, what matters is realpolitic in which Pakistan has clearly lost over the last sixty years.
Kashmir is just falling into the jigsaw.

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hamidm2...
what if amrican meltdown takes away everything what it has given you....at least you will leave usa with nice memories (and prepare for the worst in your homeland....)

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[...we pakis might have lots of faults, but we are not delusional...]

Ha ha ha - fking statement of the century...

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arjun,

..... you are a trooper and a good soldier for the horrible hindoos but i have to tell you a little secret:...... psssst! "nobody reads your posts"...... why? .... because most pakis have already read the dawn, dailynews, nation and the news ......... try another gig ..... if i were you i would concentrate on trying to get a date for next weekend instead of wasting my time digging up what we pakis already know ... leave this lufangebazi up to old foggies like me, dost-mittar and the decrepit old man, tahamed - you have a lot of oats to sow .... when i was your age .....sigh!...... i don't know if you have noticed this, but we pakis are our own worst critics and we don't need some 35 dollar an hour code coolie in baltimore to tell us how fkuced up we are ! .......... what a moron !

heh..

India would make Pakistan barren by 2014, says Jamaat

* Indus water commissioner says stopping Pakistan’s water violates Indus Treaty

LAHORE: India would make Pakistan barren by 2014 by stopping its water, Indus Water Commissioner Jamaat Ali Shah said on Sunday.

Addressing a seminar at the Lahore Press Club, Shah said that India had constructed dams at various rivers and continued doing so. He said that under the Indus Water Treaty, India was allowed to generate electricity on the flow of the river but could not stop Pakistan’s water. Doing that amounted to violation of the treaty, he added.

Talking about the recent water stoppage issue, Shah said India had claimed it had stopped Pakistan’s water from August 19 to 28. However, according to Pakistan’s estimate, India had stopped its water until September 5, he added. Shah said that Pakistan had told India that it had violated the treaty and demanded that India compensate its neighbour by supplying the amount of water withheld. He added an Indian delegation would visit Pakistan on November 29 to discuss the issue.

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anil sahib: it is indeed. kristof also did an article on pakistan in todays nyt. good to see independent check on DIL's schools (not that i ever doubted the good work they are doing).

#227 So you are one of those who run for the lavatory as soon as the seat belt sign is switched off after take off!! Did you know they have men's rooms in airports?

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kaal mian,

"Why do so many Pakistanis feel people from the subcontinent are filthy?"

.... we pakis might have lots of faults, but unlike the horrible hindoos we are not delusional and are sometimes brutally honest ..... all you have to do is take a walk through any bazaar in the subcontinent and it doesn't have to be a sabzi mandi where you have to compete with cows and other domestic animals ....... you don't have to go that far - you can just take a trip to the lavatory on a flight from dubai or manchester to the homeland an hour after take-off ......

hamidm, may be they are gay, who knows! :)

Why do so many Pakistanis feel people from the subcontinent are filthy? May be you meet too many geeks who forget to dress well and keep clean.

Haven't peeked into the kitchens of Indian restaurants. But have no doubt you are right about them. LOL