An Indian Muslim

Re: # 109

Yes, Indian Mussalmans are a minority. Yes, Indian Mussalmans lag behind economically.

Guess what – in virtually every country of the world, minorities lag behind – including in the USA. So, what is your point?!

And yes, there have been atrocities like in Gujarat in 2002. (And yes, the frequency of atrocities has been rising over the time frame that the ISI has been pumping in Jihadis in Kashmir and elsewhere in India and yes, there IS a connection.) Guess what, there have also been atrocities with every group – large or small, and there is nothing special about being a Mussalman which automatically prevents atrocities!

But let us also compare with Islamic countries like Pakistan.

There are NO Muslim countries where minority religions are even treated at par with Islam. Period.

Pakistanis are citizens of a country which has literally killed off its own minorities. What kind of rights are those?! The world would be so impressed with the “right to life� that you provide to your own minorities!

Pakistanis are citizens of a country which gives birth to the Taliban. Guess what – the Taliban are such champions of human rights that they chop off hands! You recognized that regime and you became their champions! Perhaps Pakistanis should be given recognition and rewards for leading the fight against “cruel and unusual� punishment!

Pakistanis gave birth to Taliban which, guess what – are such champions of women’s rights that they shoot them in sports stadiums! Perhaps Pakistanis should be given recognition and rewards for their role in promoting women’s rights – a preview of Jinnah’s Pakistan (yet to arrive but just around the corner, according to Yasser miaN!)!

Oh what a great champion of women’s rights?! Don’t believe me – why, ask Mukhtaran mai!!

Listen, Pakistanis!

YOU are in no position to lecture Indians on minority rights. The fact is – YOU are the worst of the lot of hypocrites on such issues!!

What Hindustani Mussalmaans are telling you and other like you is – stay off their case.

They are saying so not because they do not suffer as a minority – but they are saying so because they know your pathetic little game and they know what it has done for you and they want no part of YOUR fate!

What part of “No, thank you!� don't you understand?!!

TIME
India's Muslims in Crisis
By Aryn Baker Thursday, Nov. 27,
Sebastian D'souza / AP / Mumbai Mirror

The disembodied voice was chilling in its rage. A gunman, holed up in the Oberoi Trident hotel in Mumbai (formerly Bombay), where some 40 people had been taken hostage, told an Indian news channel that the attacks were revenge for the persecution of Muslims in India. "We love this as our country, but when our mothers and sisters were being killed, where was everybody?" he asked via telephone. No answer came. But then he probably wasn't expecting one.

The roots of Muslim rage run deep in India, nourished by a long-held sense of injustice over what many Indian Muslims believe is institutionalized discrimination against the country's largest minority group. The disparities between Muslims, who make up 13.4% of the population, and India's Hindus, who hover at around 80%, are striking. There are exceptions, of course, but generally speaking, Muslim Indians have shorter life spans, worse health, lower literacy levels and lower-paying jobs. Add to that toxic brew the lingering resentment over 2002's anti-Muslim riots in the state of Gujarat. The riots, instigated by Hindu nationalists, killed some 2,000 people, most of them Muslims. To this day, few of the perpetrators have been convicted.

Shoaib,
I congratulate you for beating the odds and achieving success in India. I also agree that the terror attacks will most likely hurt the middle class Indian Muslims like yourself economically and will probably strengthen the hands of the RSS, VHP and BJP. Though tragic and condemnable, the Mumbai attacks are triggering the much needed discussion about the suffering of Indian Muslims around the world. Major newspaper reporters and columnists in the West and sane Indians like Deepak Chopra are highlighting the plight of India's minorities and the continuing assault on them by the Hinditva groups and their allies in the government apparatus. Let's hope that the eventual outcome of such a discussion helps Indians realize that the biggest 21st century challenge India faces is the rise of Hindu fundamentalism and militancy. By effectively dealing with this challenge, India can claim its place as a great world power of this century.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 97; masadi

you miserable fool! tell me one useful thing in the silly book you so revere that either wasn't known at the time or couldn't be figured out via simple common sense?

If the answer is yes on both accords then tell me why it was needed in the first place?

PS: the questions are purely rhetorical

A U.S. setup

From Dawn http://dawn.com/2008/11/29/top9.htm




WASHINGTON/New York, Nov 28: US anti-terrorism experts have warned that ‘a smoking gun’ in the Mumbai attacks could not only derail Pakistan-India talks, but also jeopardise Islamabad’s relations with Washington.

Christine Fair, a South Asia affairs analyst for US think-tank RAND Corporation, said that the attacks had raised several questions.

“Was Pakistan involved? “What type of Pakistani involvement was there? Did anyone in the government know?�

She warned that “if there is a smoking gun,� it would have serious repercussions for US-Pakistan and Pakistan-India relations.

“The attacks will increase pressure on the incoming Obama administration to be tough on Pakistan,� she warned.

Bruce Riedel, a former South Asia analyst for the CIA and the US National Security Council who now advises President-elect Barack Obama, agreed.

“This is a new, horrific milestone in the global jihad,� he told The Washington Post.

“No indigenous Indian group has this level of capability. The goal is to damage the symbol of India’s economic renaissance, undermine investor confidence and provoke an India-Pakistan crisis.�

But Ms Fair believed that the attacks were apparently carried out by indigenous Indian militants with some outside support.

“This isn’t India’s 9/11. This is India’s Oklahoma City,� said Ms Fair, referring to an April 1995 domestic attack in the US that killed 168 people.

“It is almost unimaginable that this could have been done entirely by outside militants without Indian involvement; implications are very dangerous,� she told Dawn.

“There are a lot of “very, very angry Muslims in India. The economic disparities are startling,� she said. “This is a major domestic political challenge for India.�

Ms Fair said it was not possible to deny what happened during anti-Muslim riots in Gujarat in 2002.

“You have Islamist militants in India and you have a militarised Hindu right; these are small numbers but they feed on each other, without one the other will be difficult to exist,� she said.

Ms Fair said the Indians had a ‘strong incentive’ to link this to Al Qaeda,� but so far no one has presented any evidence to show that Al Qaeda is involved.

Another important question, she said, was how Israel would respond, especially if there’s a Pakistani involvement. “Another important question is: Could this be a reaction to (secret) Pakistan-Israel talks?...

Namrata Goswami, associate fellow at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses in New Delhi, agreed with Ms Fair.

“They want to establish some kind of linkage with Al Qaeda,� she told USA Today. “But I don’t believe it is there. The motive is very, very clear. This outfit wants to attract sponsors abroad. There’s a lot of money in it.�

Ms Goswami also endorsed Ms Fair’s views that Indian Muslims bore plenty of grievances against the Hindu majority. They lag behind economically. And they have been targeted by Hindu extremists; hundreds of Muslims died, for instance, in communal riots in Gujarat in 2002, she said.

Gary Ackerman, a pro-Indian Democratic Congressman from New York, worried about the Mumbai attacks’ implications for the United States.

“The implication for us is that there are bad guys still out there, and we’re going to have to learn how to deal with them, because our friends are getting sucked into this big-time,� said Congressman Ackerman, who chairs the House subcommittee on the Middle East and South Asia.

USA Today quoted Bahukutumbi Raman, former head of counter-terrorism for India’s intelligence agency, saying that the attackers caught Indian security forces unprepared.

“Till now, we were greeting with glee Pakistan’s incompetence in dealing with terrorism,� he said. “We can no longer do so. We have become as clueless as Pakistan.�

One highly placed US intelligence official, who has been briefed on the attacks, told CNN that the head of the operation was a Bangladeshi and that the militants were Indians, Kashmiris and Bangladeshis. The Indian military had sustained a large number of casualties, the source said....

From Dawn:

http://dawn.com/2008/11/29/top7.htm

ISLAMABAD, Nov 28: Conditions attached to the $7.6 billion International Monetary Fund loan are expected to cause up to three million job cuts in different sectors and push another 5.6 million to 7.5 million Pakistanis into poverty over the next two years.

This was stated by the chief economist of the Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), Mr Sakib Shirani, at a discussion on the IMF loan organised here on Friday by the Centre for Research and Security Studies (CRSS). A number of economists and industrialists attended the discussion.

However, Mr Shirani, who was part of the talks held in Dubai between Pakistani and IMF officials, said the government was left with no option but to seek the IMF ‘standby arrangements’.

The topic of the discussion was “IMF: pain or panacea�.

When asked about the immediate fallout of the conditions which was aimed at slowing down the import-led economic growth, Mr Shirani said that two to three million people would lose their jobs in various sectors, including fertiliser, manufacturing and services.

He said the GDP growth was expected to slow down to 3.4 per cent this year. “Some 5.6 to 7.5 million people will be added to the existing number of poor�.

He blamed the previous government for introducing the import-led and less diversified economic growth in order to show that Pakistan was growing fast. If the present government succeeds in achieving quarter-wise targets given by the IMF, some improvement could be seen after 2010.
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Re #103, no way Jose. I predicted as falsification of my Oct 20 article that he will be elected. No surprises there.

Have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

Re: # 98

Masadi miaN, admit the truth!

The morning of the night Mr. Obama became the President-Elect you had to be treated for serious skin injuries.

And it was because you were up all night -- pinching yourself again and again to convince the same that you were really awake! :)

BJ writes "trying to build bridges between Hindus and Muslims to agitate against the British together -- unlike some other leaders who were trying to drive wedges between communities."

It is like a pan-ethnic movement where based on common grievance you join forces on those grievances only, this does not mean you endorse the peculiarities of each group. The colonial monster was big enough for all groups to unite against them. Yasser is an ignoramus who should not be taken seriously....other than by the BBC of course....

Have a nice day and take it easy

Re: # 92

Muthu miaN, you have been listening too much to that Yasser. Please keep in mind that support to the khilafat movement was in 1910 or so -- and whether or not it turned out to have been a mistake, through it Gandhiji was at the time trying to build bridges between Hindus and Muslims to agitate against the British together -- unlike some other leaders who were trying to drive wedges between communities.

The vast majority of Mussulmans turned away from him because he was a Hindu and not a Muslim. It was unfortunate for the nation and turned out equally unfortunate for those who did.

However, for what it is worth, most of the bad-mouthing of Gandhiji on this site comes from Indian Hindus.

And it was a Hindu who killed Gandhiji -- not a Muslim fundamentalist.

sunil writes "it is general impression in india that muslims are ungratefull"

Treat an entire group as third rate citizens because you cannot get over the partition and then expecting them to be "grateful" for that. Reminds me of the White man in the US wanting the Black man to be grateful he hung him from a low tree instead of a tall one (reference to lynching).

have a nice day and take it easy,

TNI Masadi

it is general impression in india that muslims are ungratefull.shoib has done his bit to erase that impression thru this blog.hats offto him!!

Anil writes "Afterall Obama emerged..."

He did not "emerge" he was pushed up due to being successfully "sold out" at every level of elite socialization and now he is proving that by his appointments and endorsement by Karl Rove... you, as usual have no clue about anything. Get out of my face...

have a nice day,

TNI Masadi

akcheema writes "nb did leave the silly arabic book out ... mustn't forget!"

You miserable idiot, your posts reveal amply that moron-ism has taken deep root. There is nothing "silly" in the Quran, it is heads and shoulders above the kind of nonsense your kind of a-holes spew on here...

Have a nice day,

TNI Masadi

Ref anil #85

[Muslim Indians need to evolve a new leadership. Grow the Indian pie and make sure all minorities take their share; Create the Indian dream and make sure all minorities have right to have a dream. These are rights and not something put on a silver platter courtesy Modi or anyone else.]

Why bring in Modi who never offered the people of Gujarat any freebies? In fact, he said to the farmers that if they would pay for electricity he would make it available 24 hours a day whereas if they wanted free electricity they would get it whenever the government decided it would be possible to provide it.... like at 3 in the morning. The farmers of Gujarat chose to pay for their electricity and you don't hear about farmer suicides in Gujarat.

On the other hand, Congress offered free power to farmers in Andhra and got elected. Farmer suicides continue in Andhra.

All those screaming about mistreatment of minorities in India: here is a little thing for you to chew on.

Doctor Artist Leader the Fund of Compassion who is currently the chief minister of Masanamuthu's home state of Tamil Nadu brought in an ordinance (when the state's Legislative Assembly was in recess) to allow reservations in education and government jobs at 5% of the total for Christians. He also brought in a 5% reservation for Muslims.

Less than 6 months later, the same guy had to present a bill to the Legislative Assembly to undo the 5% reservation for Christians because the Christians protested that they could do better than the 5% quota on their own merit and that they feared that the quota would be used to limit them to 5% when they had the possibility of taking as much as they wanted if there were no quotas.

The Muslims expressed their gratitude to the chief minister for his generosity.

Talk about a difference in attitude!

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