An Indian Muslim

KCS #237,
Arey Bhai,
Why not just show it as disputed territory or even as "POK" Kashmir, just as Pakistani maps show it as Maqbooza Kashmir and Azad Kashmir? At least people won't get confused and not cross the LoC inadvertently. :)

Re #236,

Salimbhai,

Good try. However, that is simply because the official view of the GoI on PoK is still that of a disputed territory. Why would GoI revise its maps when that official status has not changed? Now, if you are asking why that official status has not changed, it is a different matter of discussion altogether.

Let's say you bought a plot of land and then if it became disputed property for some reason (let's say someone encroached upon it or had some genuine legal dispute), and let's say you have had a long-drawn case in the courts and the case is still subjudice. You are unable to occupy that property because of the court's order. Would you claim that you no longer owned that property, and hence knock it off your asset list?

I am not getting into discussion of the Kashmir dispute here. I am just responding to your point. Until the official position on Kashmir changes, the GoI is well within its rights to keep its maps the way they are.

kcs #235,
KCS bhai,
Whether it was stolen or gifted, traded or taken, the fact remains that we are not talking of old maps requiring updates. These are new maps from the GoI deliberately insisting that Mirpur, Muzaffarabad, Gilgit, Skardu, and the Neelam Valley are all in India proper.
Now, the locals know better. But the poor tourists and common civilians, not to mention your average decent law-abiding terrorists, have no way of knowing whether they are in Azad Kashmir or Maqbooza Kashmir - thus getting on the wrong side of the divide, just because they trusted the GoI.

BTW, Maqbooza in Arabic means "Occupied." Lhe..he.. Good one. :-)

#234,

Salimbhai,

When someone's car or motorcycle gets stolen in India, they better register a police complaint asap. Else, if the vehicle is used in a crime or terror attack, they could be held liable and arrested, interrogated, tortured, subject to narco-analysis, etc., etc.

Similarly, when India lost those areas of Kashmir (now referred to as PoK or Azad Kashmir), the Indian govtt should have revised its maps so that it would not be held accountable for any criminal/terrorist activities happening there.

Isn't that your theory? Absolutely brilliant :-).

Masanamuthu #230 {"he..he.. Good one. :-)
India can't claim that Pakistan trained the terrorists since you can show the Indian map and claim that it is actually in India that they are trained.."}

Mithu MiaN,
Genuwine Government of India maps - even provided to international news organizations such as CNN and BBC depicting Mirpur, Muzaffarabad, and other areas of Azad Kashmir as being in India. :)

#231 Posted by KaalChakra on December 1, 2008 1:34:20 pm
{"ha ha, salimbro, you have a way with words. OK, let me ask you.
...
What happens if lots of such people made those claims in Pakistan? Everyone else will take that as a little molehill?

How about if they made such claims regarding one grain of sand of India being more precious to them than all of Pakistan? :)"}

Kaal Bhayya,
Good to see you back to your normal self and not as angry as you have been recently. I too am saddened by the terrible loss of life in the land of my ancestors, who fought for the unity of Hindustan - whether against the foreign invader, Ghori, or the domestic terrorist Sivaji. Right now, I am quite upset with my fellow-Mohajir, Altaf Payee, for his terrorism that has created violence and death in my beloved Karachi.

Going back to the issue of sand, I have no problem if someone says that the sand of Mashad in Iran is more precious than all of Pakistan or the sand of Ajmer is more precious than all of Pakistan. These are emotional statements symbolizing affection and not meant to denigrate anyone or anything. We allow considerable license to our poets in Urdu and Dawa, who writes poetry, is certainly entitled to her share.

You probably know all the hot water Iqbal got into because of his masterpiece "Shikwa." Also, it was a Muslim poet who said something like this about Gandhiji:

"Jagao na Baapu ko neend aagayi he
Jagao na Baapu ko neend aagayi he
Issa ibn-e-Maryam ki shafqat bhi isme
Hussain ibn-e-Haider ki jurrat bhi isme
Muhammad ke dil ki harrarat bhi isme
Jagao na Baapu ko neend aagayi he
Jagao na Baapu ko neend aagayi he"

Now, does that mean Gandhiji = Muslim Prophet?

Poetry in Urdu is very liberating from the constraints of dogma, blasphemy, and censorship.

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ha ha, salimbro, you have a way with words. OK, let me ask you.

Would other Pakistanis be ok with a man who announced to the world that one grain of the sand in Iran was worth more to him or her than all of Pakistan?

What happens if lots of such people made those claims in Pakistan? Everyone else will take that as a little molehill?

How about if they made such claims regarding one grain of sand of India being more precious to them than all of Pakistan? :)

Also, if one checks Injun maps, Muzaffarabad appears to be in India as are Skardu, Gilgit, and whole Neelam Valley.

he..he.. Good one. :-)

India can't claim that Pakistan trained the terrorists since you can show the Indian map and claim that it is actually in India that they are trained..

#161 BJ2,
Thank you for tying the Mumbai terrorist attacks, the khakis of Pakistan, HP Sahib, the Paki military, and Jinnah Sahib all in one conveniently packaged mantra. Now, go ahead and chant that mantra to your heart's content. No one will ever accuse you of plagiarizing that one - not even Atif.

#166 Posted by BJ2 on November 30, 2008 3:37:51 pm
{"The surviving PAKISTANI terrorist is now singing!

Ex-soldier trained terrorists, says Kasab
1 Dec 2008, 0226 hrs IST, S Ahmed Ali, TNN

MUMBAI: "There were 24 of us who took one-year training in camps organised by Laskar-e-Taiba (LeT) at Mansera and Muzzarafabad in Punjab province of Pakistan. Ten of us were later handpicked for the Mumbai operation,'' said Ajmal Amir Kasab during interrogations."}

BJ2,
The surviving terrorist may be singing but you are definitely off-key. Before you plagiarize stuff and attribute it to others in quotations, please make sure that they are not trying to make you look like a fool.

I don't believe that Muzzafarabad and Mansera are in Punjab province of Pakistan.

This could be the Kasab's fellow of telling the world that he is not singing and that he is being tortured.

Also, if one checks Injun maps, Muzaffarabad appears to be in India as are Skardu, Gilgit, and whole Neelam Valley.

#166 Posted by BJ2 on November 30, 2008 3:37:51 pm
{"The surviving PAKISTANI terrorist is now singing!

Ex-soldier trained terrorists, says Kasab
1 Dec 2008, 0226 hrs IST, S Ahmed Ali, TNN

MUMBAI: "There were 24 of us who took one-year training in camps organised by Laskar-e-Taiba (LeT) at Mansera and Muzzarafabad in Punjab province of Pakistan. Ten of us were later handpicked for the Mumbai operation,'' said Ajmal Amir Kasab during interrogations."}

BJ2,
The surviving terrorist may be singing but you are definitely off-key. Before you plagiarize stuff and attribute it to others in quotations, please make sure that they are not trying to make you look like a fool.

I don't believe that Muzzafarabad and Mansera are in Punjab province of Pakistan.

This could be the Kasab's fellow of telling the world that he is not singing and that he is being tortured.

Also, if one checks Injun maps, Muzaffarabad appears to be in India as are Skardu, Gilgit, and whole Neelam Valley.

Re: # 222 tahmed agreed...actually inside Pakistan its the case of the chickens coming home to roost...too much religosity and mullahism are making a muck of our society and I keep seeing previously perfectly clean shaven people now sporting great beards...we definitely need a change in direction...unfortunately none of our governments made any efforts ever to develop the great human resources on tap by bringinging in education and enlightenment into the far reaches of the society

nkg #190 {"Yeh...why don't you guys migrate to the sands of Medina? you will get whole lot of sand there"}

NKG,
while not many Indians are allowed in Medina or Mecca, plenty of Injuns migrate to Riyadh, Jeddah, Kuwait, Muscat, and Abba Dabba Doo Buy. Plenty of sand there too but plenty of dinars, dirhems, and other Musla money.

So before you start expelling your hated Muslas, you may want to consider some minorities in BD, Bali, Malaysia, UAE, and all over the Gulf.

#202 Pardesi and #205 Elkavya,

Dear Pardesi Sahib and Kaal Bhayya,
I personally do not express my national or religious loyalties in such emotional terms as my life being equal to a grain of sand anywhere. Having said that, I was merely saying that I understood the logic behind Ms. Dawa's statements. Such similes and metaphors are frequently used by poets in expressing their undying love for their lovers, their nations, and their religions.

Saying that one will love someone till the mountain crumbles to the sea, does not mean one longs for landslides. Saying that one will love someone till the rivers run dry doesn't make one an aspirant of draught.

Saying that one is hungry enough to eat the rectum out of a skunk is a common American expression in the South. It doesn't necessarily mean that one has one's mouth adjacent to a skunk's bottom.

I think that you understand that you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. :)

goldfinger and qyousuf, if you had arrived at all those wise conclusions long back it would have saved you so much trouble. But better late than never.