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Re: # 19

"You are such an idiot- every claim that I have made is correct- India is involved in destablising pakistan- and your obscene and rude hatred towards pakistan and pakistanis is evidence for that- we will just have to walk over you man :)"

U Pakis are really SICK,u talk without evidence and your policy is to shout lie 100 times till it looks like truth,Now Read below

In India no one is taught the diffe with Hindu-Muslim or any other religions ,while in Pak Text books of 5th to 10th standard teaches diff. between Hindus and Muslims,You are taught wrong History since childhood(Like King dahir was cruel and Bin Qasim was noble) While in Indian Text books thr is no reference of even Muslim Cruelties(Forceful Conversion etc).In India all people of all religion have equal rights while in Pak no right to non-mulims (like voting etc).After all such facts you people still blame India and Indians for hate.This all things let me belive that this is a real Kaliyug

Cut Paste should be banned It gives me Headache

[Since the terrorist attacks in Mumbai 10 days ago, speculation has been rife about the birthplace of the lone surviving gunman, Ajmal Amir Kasab. India and Pakistan have clashed over reports that he came from the Punjab. Saeed Shah, after spending days travelling throughout the region, tracked down the killer's home - and his grandfather - and found conclusive proof of his identity]


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/07/mumbai-terrorism-indi a-pakistan


The Observer, London, UK
Sunday, December 7, 2007


Revealed: home of Mumbai's gunman in Pakistan village
By Saeed Shah


The little house was certainly that of a poor family, with a courtyard to one side and a small cart propped up in one corner. The old man and middle-aged woman who answered the door were not the owners. No, they insisted, the owners were away.


'They've gone to a wedding,' said the old man, identifying himself as Sultan. He was, he said, Amir's father-in-law. So, that would make him Ajmal's grandfather? At last, it seemed, this was the right place.


It had taken days to get to Faridkot, a small, dirt-poor village in Pakistan's Punjab province. More than a week after the arrest of the only Lashkar-e-Taiba terrorist taken alive during the terror strike on Mumbai, so little was still known about him. His name, for instance. Was he Mohammed Amin Kasab, Azam Amir Kasav? Or was he Mohammed Ajmal Amir? The name Kasai in fact means he would hail from a butcher community - that would be his caste. But it was recorded as Kasav, then later Kasab. The discrepancies reportedly stemmed from the fact that the Mumbai police officers who first questioned him were Marathi speakers and unable to communicate with the south Punjab resident in anything other than Hindi patois.


And where exactly was he from? Faridkot is what he told his interrogators, but this is a common village name. There were four candidates in the Punjab region.


Days of trying to establish which was the right one had led to a Faridkot near the Indian border, outside a town called Depalpur. The nearest city was Okara. It seemed to fit. And it was at this Faridkot that Ajmal's father was believed to live.


Initially villagers were unhelpful. No, said those approached, there was no one known here of that name. Even shown a photograph of Ajmal taken during the Mumbai siege, all swore they did not recognise him. The mayor was clear. 'There is a man who came to see me called Amir Kasab, who was worried,' said Ghulam Mustafa Wattoo. 'He told me that the Ajmal on the news was not his boy. That boy's gone away to work. There's no extremist network here.'


Was this another dead end?


As the villagers were questioned, the confusions appeared to multiply. Finally the name Mohammed Ajmal Amir, son of Mohammed Amir Iman, who ran a food stall, emerged.


At other Faridkots, including one near the town of Khanewal, villagers had been friendly and helpful, proffering tea as they shook their heads. 'No. Not from here,' they said. For a while, it appeared that this Faridkot would also prove a wasted journey. The mayor said there had been no local police investigation, suggesting that the authorities did not view this place with suspicion. But, over time, inconsistencies in the villagers' accounts heightened suspicion that this was the place. 'He [Amir] has lived here for a few years,' said one villager, Mohammad Taj. 'He has three sons and three daughters.'


Noor Ahmed, a local farmer, said: 'Amir had a stall he pushed around, sometimes here, sometimes elsewhere. He was a meek man, he wasn't particularly religious. He just made ends meet and didn't quarrel with anyone.'


Still the picture was confusing. While sometimes confirming that Amir did live in the village, and had a son called Ajmal, on other occasions locals claimed to know nothing.


Finally one villager confirmed what was going on: 'You're being given misinformation. We've all known from the first day [of the news of the terrorist attack] that it was him, Ajmal Amir Kasab. His mother started crying when she saw his picture on the television.'


Attempts to meet Amir, the father, however, were not to be successful. Villagers eventually told us that he and his wife, Noor, had been mysteriously spirited away earlier in the week.


'Ajmal used to go to Lahore for work, as a labourer,' continued the villager who feared being named. 'He's been away for maybe four years. When he came back once a year, he would say things like, "We are going to free Kashmir."'


Wresting the whole of Kashmir from Indian rule is Lashkar-e-Taiba's aim. Ajmal had little education, according to locals. But it is still unclear whether he was radicalised in the village or once he had left to work elsewhere.


It is said that from the age of 13 he was shuttled between his parents' house and that of a brother in Lahore. If he did indeed speak fluent English, as claimed in Indian press reports, he would have had to have learnt that after he left the village.


But the villager who turned whistleblower said that local religious clerics were brainwashing youths in the area and that Lashkar-e-Taiba's founder, Hafiz Sayeed, had visited nearby Depalpur, where there were 'hundreds' of supporters. There was a Lashkar-e-Taiba office in Depalpur, but that had been hurriedly closed in the past few days. The Lashkar-e-Taiba newspaper is distributed in Depalpur and Faridkot. Depalpur lies in the south of Punjab province, an economically backward area long known for producing jihadists.


Shown a picture of Ajmal, the villager confirmed that he was the former Faridkot resident, who had last visited the village a couple of months ago at the last festival of Eid.


Some locals have claimed that this Faridkot, and another poor village nearby called Tara Singh, are a recruitment hotbed for Lashkar-e-Taiba, the militant group accused of carrying out the Mumbai attack. On the side of a building, just outside Faridkot, is graffiti that says: 'Go for jihad. Go for jihad. Markaz Dawat ul-Irshad.' MDI is the parent organisation of Lashkar-e-Taiba. In Depalpur, a banner on the side of the main street asks people to devote goatskins to Jamaat ud Dawa, another MDI offshoot.


Tara Singh is home to a radical madrasa - Islamic school - and there is another hardline seminary in nearby Depalpur. The nazim (mayor) of Tara Singh, Rao Zaeem Haider, said: 'There is a religious trend here. Some go for jihad, but not too many.'


Some reports emerging in India suggest that Ajmal may have joined Lashkar -e-Taiba less because of his Islamist convictions but in the hope that the jihad training he would receive would help to further the life of crime upon which he had already embarked. But once inside Lashkar's base, his world-view began to change.


Here, films on India's purported atrocities in Kashmir and heated lectures by fiery preachers led him to believe in Lashkar's cause. It has also been said that, when he was chosen for the Lashkar basic combat training, he performed so well that he was among a group of 32 men selected to undergo advanced training at a camp near Manshera, a course the organisation calls the Duara Khaas.


And finally, it seems, he was among an even smaller group selected for specialised commando and navigation training given to the fedayeen unit selected to attack Mumbai.


The authorities may now attempt to deny that Ajmal's parents live in Faridkot, but, according to some locals, they have been there for some 20 years. But by the end of our visit, a crucial piece of evidence had been gained. The Observer has managed to obtain an electoral roll for Faridkot, which falls under union council number 5, tehsil (area) Depalpur, district Okara. The list of 478 registered voters shows a 'Mohammed Amir', married to Noor Elahi, living in Faridkot. Amir's national identity card number is given as 3530121767339, and Noor's is 3530157035058.


That appears to be the last piece of the jigsaw. A man called Amir and his wife, Noor, do live in Faridkot, official records show. They have a son called Ajmal.


Following our last visit to Faridkot, the mayor, Wattoo, announced via the loudspeaker at the mosque that no one was to speak to any outsiders. By yesterday, Pakistani intelligence officials had descended in force on Faridkot. Locals, speaking by telephone, said a Pakistani TV crew and an American journalist had been roughed up and run out of town. It appeared that the backlash had begun.

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[The Observer says gunman’s parents on electoral roll in Depalpur]


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008%5C12%5C08%5Cst ory_8-12-2008_pg1_2


Daily Times, Lahore, Pakistan
Monday, December 8, 2008


Kasab’s home ‘located’ in Faridkot


WASHINGTON: A correspondent claims to have established that the lone surviving Mumbai gunman, named Ajmal Amir Kasab, comes from Faridkot, a village in the Okara district, who is the son of Muhammad Amir and Noor.


The correspondent, Saeed Shah, who visited the village, writes in The Observer, London, that he has obtained electoral lists for Faridkot showing 478 registered voters, including a Muhammad Amir, married to one Noor Elahi. Amir’s and Noor’s national identity card numbers are also said to have been obtained. At the house where the family is said to live, a man calling himself Sultan said he was Muhammad Amir’s father-in-law.


One villager told the correspondent that Faridkot was an active recruiting ground for Lashkar-e-Tayyaba. “We know that boy is from Faridkot. We knew from the first night. They brainwash our youth about jihad, there are people who do it in this village. It is so wrong.�


Kasab, interrogated in custody after the attacks, reportedly told Indian security officials that he came from a place called Faridkot in the Punjab province. His father was named as Muhammad Amir, married to a woman named Noor.


“The Observer has managed to obtain an electoral roll for Faridkot, which falls under union council number 5, tehsil (area) Depalpur, district Okara,� the report said. “The list of 478 registered voters shows a Muhammad Amir, married to Noor Elahi, living in Faridkot. Amir’s national identity card number is given as 3530121767339, and Noor’s is 3530157035058.�


The reporter could not meet Amir, the father, but said: “Villagers eventually told us that he and his wife, Noor, had been mysteriously spirited away earlier in the week.�


Ajmal had little education, according to locals. “If he did indeed speak fluent English, as claimed in Indian press reports, he would have had to have learnt that after he left the village,� the report said. khalid hasan/daily times monitor

#23 contd....
Hockey and Cricket used to be battleground for India and Pakiland apart from ....

The way Australians are intruding Indian cricket space, Indians have to fight with them to survive (after IPL, Saurav Ganguly have to share space with Ricky Ponting within Bong cricket lovers)......
Hockey is almost gone case for India...
The rising sports in India are wrestling, boxing, shooting and chess.... may be after some success from Saina Nehal, it will be badminton....Pakis don't play those sports (may be anti-islam, specialy mind game like Chess should be anti-islam)....

Re: # 14
Ekal...
Which segment of India is unfriendly to Pakiland without any reason? After 1991, I am seing Pakistan is fading away from Indian mindset gradualy and the current generation even do not bother about what is Pakland and last 4 wars etc...each time there is "allahu kaboom" somewhere in India, it is likely that there are some hand of islamic militants (headquarter in Pakiland, branch office in Bangladesh....)...and the security agencies are not wrong....

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a good way of expressing your feelings....

Re: # 18

plus baloch nationalists can't do shit because our ISI ACTUALLY is efficient not like INDIA's shit agencies and armed forces- you guys should work on your masculinity otherwise muslims will start ruling your pathetic race for another 1000 years- got it! there I did you a favour!

Re: # 18
You are such an idiot- every claim that I have made is correct- India is involved in destablising pakistan- and your obscene and rude hatred towards pakistan and pakistanis is evidence for that- we will just have to walk over you man :)

bye bye shitless indian

Re: # 13
qyousuf...
If I take your complaints as facts, do these baluch nationalists is committing "allahu kabooms" in karachi or islamabad?

Have you analyzed....

What India will gain by tearing apart Pakiland? Nothing.
Will they be able to bring back moslas to Indic fold? No.

If you keep your 7th century beduinism within your country, not only India, lot of other countries will be happy.

Miss Khan,

You will eventually discover more unknown facets of your personality in that 'diverse, rich culture'.

Your adopted a society is all Disneyland and excessive consumerism with complete disregard for what the world outside really is.

We too found Pakistan on many principles that requires real people to help us HERE?

You should not suffer from this 'I am not a Christian American' complex. Always carry what you love in your heart and do apply for a Pakistani passport without batting a (real) eyelash! Only if you cow down, you'll be a threat.

The entire globe is being run by economic and financial terrorists who wear pin-striped suits. Surprised?

Don't watch too much American TV.

Regards.

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qyousuf bhai, what you are saying is quite true. Indians have been unfriendly to Pakistan. Unfortunately, Indians see Pakistan the same way - a country that does not want to live in peace with India.

That makes it hard to solve mutual problems. Is there anyway we can respect each other (without Indian giving up Kashmir)? What kind of steps do you suggest India and Paksitan can take to start that relationship of mutual respect?

Eklavya,
Thank for your reply, we can definitely coexist and have our differences. I don't support this murderous plot to target Indians but its hardest to look at our own actions- India's role in kashmir- its attitude towards pakistan- a country much weaker than India- Siachen issue, the water issue, bomb blasts in pakistan by RAW- India's encirclement of Pakistan, India's support of Balochistan liberation army, India's support to Uzbek miltants in FATA- the list is enormous- you claim you want peace with us- the truth is India is stronger than pakistan and uses every posture against us diplomatically and militarily- so what can people divided by a century of communal hatred do- respond in the strongest possible terms- that we might all die protecting pakistan but we WILL protect pakistan at all costs- If India has evidence, share it in the right spirit with pakistan- reach out as the bigger party in south asia and to genuinely engage in dialogue- stop doing politics over kashmir and afghanistan and US's influence. We in pakistan don't need our politicians and army to tell us who the enemy is- we know its India that is out to rip our country apart further- Just listen to some of the blogs that Indians write online- before mumbai incidents as well- they cheer when Pakistan is down and out- and its this hatred that fuels more hatred on the other side of the border as well. So lets grow up and start respecting each other!

qyousuf bhai,

We may not agree with you but the fact is that no Muslim can (or can choose to) stop you.

So it does not matter that ayesha khan or verzie bhai or tolki bhai do not agree with you or that they are larger in numbers.

So you represent the reality between Islam and the non-Muslim world.

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But ayesha khan wrote a touching article, as some other people have.