Sharp-Eyed View of a Mohajir

Honestly this guy is such a sell out that I wonder what on earth he is so proud about. I agree with #60...good riddance to people like this. I am a Muhajir and a Pakistani-Canadian so I suppose Sayeed Hassan Khan would be disappointed that this experience doesn't have the same affect on everyone....there is something about him as a person that makes him this way. I guess this guy is an example of the type of closet-Indians we have among the liberals of Pakistan. Way to go dude....please keep representing your bayghayrat class so everyone can begin recognize you from a distance.

I am tempted to say something especially after reading last paragraph of your dabble, but I would let this one go!

For you my dear, all I can say is "Good riddance" and for all those who spend their vacations in India....may there be more of you joining you in yonderland and may Allah rid us of the menance of Mohajirism in Pakistan! (Amen)

Pakis about Mohajir

The experiences of the Muhajirs are no different from those of Pied Noirs ( Literally Blackfeet- Algerians of French Origin). They supported the French cause to the hilt, then they went back to France, and found that the French hated them.

The difference here is that the Pied Noirs were forced out of Algeria by the native Algerians through the ' famous ' Coffins and Suitcases ' policy. Even Camus a sympathizer of the Algerian cause had to leave. Although Zionism has existed for more than a century before Israel was founded, the real migration to Israel was very much a forced event.

On the other hand nobody was forcing the Indian Muslims to leave for Pakistan. The Mohajirs had the benefit of the most liberal minded leadership in India ever. Gandhi and Nehru, along with Maulana Azad would caution them against their Pakistani Shangri La.

Yet the left generations of property, jobs and wealth for Pakistan. In course of time, their pro-establishment attitude, tuned by generations of 'loyal Mussalmans' servility, will make them hated by the new natives. This includes Pakistanis and Bangladeshis , and Indians of course.

Re: # 44
majumder....
little more to add....
partition is a reality and UP/Bihari moslas were more vocal for creation of Pakistan than anybody else...so, at least, just to show gratitude, muslas living in punjab,sindh ... should accomodate muslas from bihar and up...

Re: # 53
Shah2...
"Anaother fatoris there is no ANCHOR for i.m. Sikhs return to Punjab after riots bengali run to bengal from Assam Biharis to Bihar but where would i.m run to .There is no anchor to hold them staying put honorably within the state unfortunately..."
The answer is Pakiland.....you can live in full beduin environment; no schools...only mosques, madressahs and liberty of committing "allahu kabooms", if you think something is not comopatible with Mo of arabia's preachings......though India, to large extent providing similar liberty, but then, that needs to be withdrawn.....

Re: # 39
Shah...
Muslas have no ground to ask for favour. High breeding rate of musla population (growth segment for vote baniyas) is main reason behind such report etc.....
Moslas are backward, so what? Does indian constitution responsible for that? No...everything should stop here...
If somebody feels the heat of competetion in Indian society, let him/her migrate to Pakiland/BD....60 years back these two areas were given to the muslas to lead life as they wish...go and enjoy that heaven....

All this nonsense started by that scoundrel, V P Singh (died on the day, his friends were carrying out jihad in mumbai)....

Shah2,

Now we come round the view that there're no institutional disabilities suffered by Indian Muslims but impediments caused by society around them, esp in places like Gujarat.

The economic hardships among Muslims wud be a matter of past in a couple of decades (that's what the GDP forecasts tell abt India & that's why the US is courting us so passionately).

Btw, English medium schools are not necessarily missionary schools. In my place there're a few hundred EM schools but 2 missionary schools. I know my neighbourhood qasai whose son cudn't make it to computers despite his father spending Ks on his training. Now he's sitting at home. Prolly he'd take his papa's profession after some years. Many of my childhood pals are into business. So, future is not bleak.

This backwardness and segregation topic bothers me as I never seen an incident in my home town. They live where they like, do what they want & achieve what they can.

Re: # 52
VRV i get your point English teaches have been very few among muslims .You can say b/c they did not study inEnglish medium But not only Muslims or hindu of imilar status do not send to english christian missionary schools b/c hard admission criteria and exorbitant fees.
Now that can be the reason again which came first no english teacher or no schooling in english .

Anaother fatoris there is no ANCHOR for i.m. Sikhs return to Punjab after riots bengali run to bengal from Assam Biharis to Bihar but where would i.m run to .There is no anchor to hold them staying put honorably within the state unfortunately

There are many subsects inI ndia who shun education the business community of Marwaris vashiyas even familial brahmin priest Infact most of indias sucess Power Wealth is in the hand of semi literate .While encouraging to go to school more hardship than majority like evry dinquent child they rebel.Unfortunatelly they dont have safety net if not high achiever academically unlike the majority

..leadership who asks for Urdu..

39 Shah2,

As for Sachar Committee, it's an effort as an open and free state to assess the condition of a religious, national minority. I read the Report and I have a lot of points I disagree. Leave that aside.

Ppl make choices and study hard and progress in lives. Ppl must do their best to compete and come up in life. It's for ppl to make choices. Seekinag and complaining is the character of meek. Gone were the days when Sultans gave land grants for Muslims and concubines for Nobles. This is 21st century and it's for individuals to make efforts to come up in life. Stop whining.

I know many ppl of Muslim community leadership asks for Urdu schools than normal English medium schools. U know where the problem lies.

If Committee's findings shud be seen then it'd be from Muslim masses pov than GOI pov. GOI made no discrimination in admission, job recruitments. Get it right. Last but least, Muslims are not a monolith but group of population that's as diverse as Hindus. So the basic premise of Sachar Committee work is flawed.

49,

Actually Roys and Verseys shud try to live their normal lives - as they do India - a day among the ppl they support.

I bet they'd become corpses in no time.

India had many shortcomings but as a state India has all the ingredients to be a progressive state, institutionally.

Between Indian Politics and Pakistani Politics ... it is 6 of one and half a dozen of the other ... besides, the article at the URL given below has some information that may be an eye opener for some ..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/12/mumbai-arundhati-roy

Re: # 41
mu...
the best solution is to transport more mohajirs from India...that will strengthen your voice....

Re: # 9
Q...
"Just as India is both secular and host to miltant/fascists hindus of the sangh!..."

So, India is Pakland....But Tahmed etc..claims that Paki society is very much liberal, unlike Indians....

Re: # 29
KRBhatti...
....quantity does not mean anything. Even in undivided india, it would have created large scale civil war, the way Gandhi and Nehru thought of administering ( Sickularism)....
Creation of Pakiland was good for both and Indians should have taken couple of more steps (before 1900) to see that Islamic menace is caged within some domain...