The Mumbai Terror Apologists

Re: #474

I meant they only wanted to kill non-muslims. But do you see that being discussed in the Indian media - nope, not a chance. And Muslims in India are deeply touched - their beradars DO care about them, after all!

Eklavya, unfortunately, for countries like ours with large, uneducated masses and fifth columnists in the media and elsewhere masquerading as "liberals", the only way statements are made is by hundreds of innocents dying. We need to make statements in the language of strength which is the only one, unfortunately, the world understands. A great example there is China. Getting away with whatever it wants because it has the US (and therefore the world) by the balls.

We need to get stronger - much stronger - economically. The Pakis know this - hence Mumbai-style attacks. Also, we need to try and be much much less dependent on oil from Muslim countries. And EQUALLY IF NOT MORE importantly, we need a permanent seat in the UN with veto power.

Articulating our position will not be easy - look at the news channels like HT, Sahara Samay etc. - "declaring war" on terrorism while at the same time parading Muslim victims of the Mumbai massacre - thus whitewashing the fact that the Muslims dying there was NOT a desired goal of the terrorists - they ONLY wanted to kill Hindus.

ajeya, tahmedji is right in that while some people have begun to suspect that Pakistani state may be evil, in its basic essence, that statement has not been coherently made.

There is a need, for those of us who sincerely believe so now, to make that case.

#469 Posted by tahmed32

"What you forget is that the rest of the world...sees a strong, stable, prosperous Pakistan as the solution."

I have talked to many people from all around the world. Rest of the world does not give two hoots about Pakistan. They would like to see it disappear from the face of the planet like a bad memory - or, to quote Madeline Allbright, a bad migraine.

tahmed32 ji, what you say is quite true. A lot of Indians too believe that a 'strong and prosperous' Pakistan would be good for India. For what it is worth, I shared that belief until recently.

Those of us who now believe that Pakistani state is irredeemably 'evil' (for Indians and for all non-Pakistanis) have to make a case, and we have not done so.

Re# myself on 466

Typo correction to Point 6) : I meant "deported".

#467 DM: What you forget is that the rest of the world does not share the Indian desire to "break up Pakistan" - rather it sees a strong, stable, prosperous Pakistan as the solution. That is why decades of Indian propaganda against Pakistan impresses no one other than the propagandists.

#466 ajeya: "We need a strong leader who will ... Break up Pakiland"

What you need is a strong cup of coffee.

tahmed32:

I agree that threats that cannot be backed with action are useless at best and make a mockery of the Indian state at worse. But they are essential for domestic consumption and to put pressure on foreigners, esp the US to put pressure on Pakistan.

Frankly, it is pathetic to see Indians go to Uncle Sam with a complaint of bad behaviour against a much smaller adversary.

#462 Posted by tahmed32
[ever read the story of the monkey that got two giants to start fighting one another by tossing a rock at one of them?]

Okay. So India is one of the 2 giants, and Pakiland is the other one?

Nobody in the world outside of Pakistan considers Pakiland to be a giant. It is a small country with a relatively weak army that gets treated in the way the US is treating it. Would the US DARE to do the same to India? I think you know the answer.

Oh, the "nuclear deterrant" is only useful in the case of mass suicide. For conventional wars, it is useless. Has the "nuclear deterrant" deterred the US? It would not deter a determined India either. Another Mumbai-style attack, and the US would not have any face to ask India to keep its hands off.

We need a strong leader who will do the following:

1) Break up Pakiland into Balochistan, Sindh, Talibanistan (NWFP) and Pakistan (West Punjab).

2) Take back what is rightfully ours - POK.

3) Resettle millions upon millions of people from Tamil Nadu and elsewhere (the darker in complexion the better) to Jammu and Kashmir in the style of what Pakistan's closest friend - China has done in the Xinxiang province and Tibet.

4) Institute the "One peep out of your mouth and your a$$ is toast" policy towards Muslims - again, in the style of China's policy in Xinxiang. Encourage (in a modified Spanish version) conversion of Muslims in India to any other religion of their choice. I personally recommend the Shinto faith.

5) Actively and vigorously deport ALL Indian Muslims who create trouble or resist - if nobody will take them, then just dump them inside Pakiland (west Punjab) outside of the Indian border.

6) Any Muslims caught coming over the border from Bangladesh or Pakiland should be put to hard labor - like building roads etc.for 6 months before being departed. A stated policy like this will discourage any further immigration.

Keep up on 4), 5) and 6) until there are NO muslims left in India.

7) Actively join hands with other countries fighting the Muslim scourge.

dm: and i answered the question you had below for romair. seems like it was a rhetorical question, since you ignored the answer.

dm #462 "the govt. will have no alternative but to take some strong action"

Like what, dm sahib?

I think you missed the point I was making below: threats that cannot be backed by action ("surgical strikes", "demarches" to handover individuals, finger-pointing, threats of war) are counterproductive (i.e. they merely help the mumbai attackers achieve their goals).

tahmed32:

The media will be media. After an event like that, it would be totally unrealistic for the media to behave like diplomats. And the fact is that if there is another Mumbai like attack, the govt. will have no alternative but to take some strong action even though MMS would know that it would be counterproductive, or risk losing the elections in April. Democracy has its own compulsions, especially on the eve of elections.

eklavya bhai sahib: we need to help ourselves. unless you enjoy helping the terrorists achieve their goals behind mumbai.

ever read the story of the monkey that got two giants to start fighting one another by tossing a rock at one of them?

lol, tahmed ji, Indians/Hindus can't help being Indians/Hindus. There are some intelligent ones, but the rest of can't help ourselves. :)

#458 Talk of Indian stupidity and...lo and behold Eklavya is there!!