The Mumbai Terror Apologists

further to #457 even musharraf reared his ugly head from out of the spider hole he has been hiding in to talk the "commando" talk again - thanks again to Indian stupidity.

and now I see on Geo the former secretary Tanvir Ahmed Khan (representing the non-militarists in Pakistan) trying valiantly to put Javed Nasir in his place - saying that "manmohan sahib naiN koi warlike baat nahin kee". In return - the compere reminds him of the belligerent Indian media.

Hope this brief description of the Geo discussion in this post and the one below illustrates the point I am making in #456.

Homework for today

Complete the sentences -

Thanks to the Indians, the following went wrong for Pakistan.

Thanks to the Hindus, the following went wrong for Muslims.

further to #456 i am watching Geo right now, and arch-militarist Gen. Javed Nasir is having a gala time repeating this talk from Indians of "surgical strikes" and so forth and talking about "moon tor jawab" from Pakistan. Javed Nasir and co. had been hiding in spider holes all of 2007, and lone of them (Gen Hamid Gul) had even lost his nerve and had apologized to the nation..now, thanks to Indians using the mumbai tragedy as an opportunity to live out their fantasies, these boys are walking tall again.

And civilians - even President Zardari himself - are trying their best in the face of the stupidity of the Indian press and leadership that is raw meat to the militarist opportunists inside Pakistan. Thus yesterday, even Zardari was forced in his speech to remind India that issuing "demarches" to Pakistan was not the way to go - and Pakistan would tackle terrorists out of self-interest, not because of indian "demarches".

dm #455 "How could India do this?"

By not trying to live out the fantasies expressed by the arjuns and jayps on chowk. e.g. While it no doubt the fantasy of "surgical strikes" stoked Indian egos, all it did was lend credibility to militarists in Pakistan.

HP:

Low credibility for the US does not mean high credibility for Pakistan.

"There was a good chance to dismantle the Pak army's influence but seems like it is gone awry"

How could India do this?

The paki army actions of withdrawing from nwfp c;early shows that the mumbai was an isi operation to provide a relief for the paki army from being slaughtered by taliban. India has said that they will not attack, but still there is accelerated army withdrawl from nwfp.

this is good for india, the nwfp will be finally part of afghanistan, an india should open a consulate there. That action will be at par with bangladesh. Nwfp is at last free with the help of nato.

Next wave of jihadi attacks will be in islamabad and other cities of pakistan.

As I have said always, punjab should be renamed pakistan. Any where in the world army defends teh borders, in the case of pakistan, the army has moved out of afghan border, in any case durand line was never accepted by afghanistan

Sindh should become an independant country, with punjab the pakistan. the rest divied up by the neighbours.

obama talks about 25 years of fighting terror, and the above scenario is the only solution, to be realised in ten years.

Re: # 452 Arjun

"...paki forces move to the east, taliban takes over pakiland...."

Epilogue: America takes over Talibanland. India takes over non-Punjab Pakiland. Everyone lives happily ever after.

paki forces move to the east, taliban takes over pakiland..


Taleban 'will kill school girls'


Taleban militants in the Swat valley in north-west Pakistan have threatened to kill girls who attend school.

A local Taleban commander ordered parents to stop sending their daughters to school by 15 January.

In comments broadcast on an illegal radio station, he threatened to blow up schools which enrolled female students.

This year alone, Taleban militants have destroyed more than 130 schools in the Swat valley. They want to bring in Islamic sharia law in the region.

Militant attacks on schools in the region have deprived more than 17,000 students of education.

'Severe blow'

Although schools for girls have come under attack on numerous occasions in the past, this is the first time Taleban militants have issued a complete ban on girls attending them, the BBC's Ethirajan Anbarasan says.

A Taleban spokesman said the prohibition would remain in place unless and until Islamic sharia law was fully implemented in the region.

State-run schools are seen by the insurgents as key symbols of the government.

Now the militants have threatened to destroy private schools as well.

These schools are not Islamic religious institutions and the students are taught courses based on the government syllabus.

Locals say the ongoing attacks on schools have dealt a severe blow to education of girls and young women in the Swat valley.

Those who can afford it have already moved out of the region, but the poor have no other option than keeping their daughters at home, our correspondent says.

Al-Qaeda and Taleban militants are active in the Swat valley, which has been the scene of an insurgency since August 2007.

Hundreds of people have been killed since then in battles between security forces and militants led by Maulana Fazlullah, a cleric with links to the Pakistan Taleban movement.

Hahah! Phat gai or US did not give permission?

Mukahrji after meeting with Saudi FM says he is converting to Islam because it is a religion of love and affection...Some gaandu! Bring Rani with you too...even tho she is getting old...

NEW DELHI: India has informed Pakistan that it has not engaged in any sort of troop build-up along the frontier and sought firm action against terrorist camps and militant groups operating from the Pakistani soil.

New Delhi has also told Islamabad that it has no plans for a military action, but wanted a combination of “executive action and judicial processes� against terrorist elements like the Lashkar-e-Taiba and its front organisation Jamaat-ud-Daawa, which have been linked to the Mumbai attacks.

“A lot of issues are being raised in relation to the Mumbai terror attacks. It is unfortunate that an atmosphere has been created in Pakistan, some sort of war hysteria,� External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee said while addressing an international seminar of Parsi teachers here.

“I appeal to Pakistan and Pakistani leaders, do not unnecessarily try to create tension. Do not try to deflect the issue. A problem has to be tackled face-to-face. Evading a problem will not help to get rid of it,� he said.

“The issue is not the defence of Pakistan, the issue is not war, the issue is the terrorist attack on Mumbai, the unprecedented scale, magnitude, ferocity as well as audacity all clearly demonstrated that it was not only pre-planned, but also well planned,� he said.

“The issue is how to prevent terrorism. The issue is how to direct the international community to face the terrorist challenge and eliminate terrorism from the face of the world,� he said.

The fight against terrorism, he said, was not directed at any country, nation or religion. “The issue is how to prevent terrorism and against the mentality which gives birth to terrorism, and against the set-up that aids terror.�

Mukherjee said terrorism had no religion and no respect for borders. “Terrorism is not linked to a particular religion or community. I totally reject such an idea. Islam propagates love and affection.�

Referring to his meeting with Saudia Arabia’s Foreign Minister Saud Al-Faisal on Friday, the minister said that both countries spoke in the same voice against terrorism.

Re# 443, HP

"If credibility was the criteria in defining a country's place in the international affairs than the US has even less credibility in the world than perhaps even Afghanistan. The US has the lowest credibility even in the western world. Credibility is intangible. What is tangible is where you are and what you have. Indians love for Bush does not make him the most popular man in the world. Your line of argument is pure garbage."

LOL.. I find it funny too!

But nobody has accorded more credibility to the US (or Bush)than Pakistan which has welcomed the US troops into its own territory to clean up its own backyard (or, in your words, pure garbage?).

hehe...

Indian cabinet okays Kishanganga project

* Indian home minister says power project strategically important, approved despite Pakistan’s objections

By Iftikhar Gilani

NEW DELHI: The Indian cabinet on Friday approved the controversial 330-megawatt Kishanganga hydropower project on the Ganges River in Indian-held Kashmir (IHK) in a bid to win rights over river water before Pakistan does.

Recently, Pakistan also awarded a $1.5 billion contract to a Chinese consortium to build a 960MW hydropower project on the Neelum River – which is the continuation of the Ganges into Pakistan. According to the Indus Water Treaty (IWT), whoever builds the project first will acquire the rights on river water.

“Now that Pakistan has begun work with the help of a Chinese firm, we have to put our project on a fast track,� said a senior official at the Union Ministry of Water Resources.

New Delhi and Islamabad have been locked in a dispute over the proposed Indian project for years. Pakistan believes the project will not only impact its Neelum-Jhelum hydroelectric project just across the Line of Control (LoC) but will also adversely affect 133,209 hectares of agricultural land in Neelum valley and Muzaffaraabd district. But India says that satellite pictures show Pakistan is exaggerating its agricultural usage.

#444 Posted by HP on December 26, 2008 10:31:33 pm


So I think it would not be prudent for Pakistan to let up on defense.


perfect....chalk up minus 1% on the GDP rate...

DM #442:

Sorry, had missed reading # 309/310 earlier. Yes, except for the article link, my post was only a less articulate version of what you'd written there.

PAKI ARMY CHOICE

India has formally informed pakistan that there is no troop build up or has any plans to attack pakistan.

This gives the pakis the option of getting slaughtered as usual by the taliban. This is a better option, to be killed by the jihadis assures both, the killer and the slaughtered, jihadic heaven. To be slaughtered by the kafir indians is not good for any paki muslim.

India going to attack paki targets in the short term ( one or two years) is total nonsense. Like the Mrs Gandhi days, " India is obliged to create situation for teh return of refugees" eventually led to bangladesh.

The situation is similar, india is obliged to root out terror central.

Time is not yet ripe and in politics, always postpone, there could be a better time. The present strategy of dealing with democratic govt while attackling the army and ISI is the correct one. It has to mature, and the situation in pakistan has to worsen. It may take a little more than a year. No pint in striking when pakistan expects it.

Further the cold start doctrine weapon systems are not yet ready.

#441 Posted by dost_mittar
"However, the govt. reaction is now quite sober while the Pakistani official reaction is becoming more and more hawkish"

Sounds like your information is not accurate. What I am hearing is that India is waiting for the green light from the US to attack. So I think it would not be prudent for Pakistan to let up on defense. Though I wish Indians had shown more maturity. There was a good chance to dismantle the Pak army's influence but seems like it is gone awry.