Sankrant Sanu December 18, 2008
#1 Posted by Akbarhussain on December 18, 2008 9:36:52 am
A group of ten boys, crossed nearly 1000km of sea from Karachi to Mumbai in a sea heavily guarded by the mighty Indian Navy, WITHOUT BEING NOTICED!! Is there any room for sanity left in this world?
#2 Posted by Rizwan on December 18, 2008 9:50:40 am
How do you assign higher value to Bayiman Budhha then to Babri Mosque?
This entire article is smelly, with hatred. I will comment on a future article by this author, if written with a clear lens.
Rizwan Ahmed an Ahmadi Muslim; and no need to drag us in your hatred of Islam.
#3 Posted by ocean on December 18, 2008 10:16:37 am
I think the article is good.
If there are certain lies in the Indian story, these will surly be exposed in due time.
I will look forward to the solutions proposed by the author in the coming article.
If there are certain lies in the Indian story, these will surly be exposed in due time.
I will look forward to the solutions proposed by the author in the coming article.
#4 Posted by pinku on December 18, 2008 10:17:23 am
#1 Posted by Akbarhussain
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A group of ten boys, crossed nearly 1000km of sea from Karachi to Mumbai in a sea heavily guarded by the mighty Indian Navy, WITHOUT BEING NOTICED!! Is there any room for sanity left in this world?
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Where is your sanity? First ocean is much bigger than any Navy and secondly, they were noticied but they were on a ferry that was allowed in India waters.... there may be more thirds and fourth, but why were you so excited to conslude whatever you concluded??
#6 Posted by pinku on December 18, 2008 10:23:40 am
#2 Posted by Rizwan on December 18, 2008 9:50:40 am
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How do you assign higher value to Bayiman Budhha then to Babri Mosque?
This entire article is smelly, with hatred. I will comment on a future article by this author, if written with a clear lens.
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I have not read article so far. But you can compare Bamiyan budhdha and Babri mosque if you set the parameters. Similarly you can compare Islam and Hinduism as well.
So imagine that somewhat arbitrary parameters are
1. age of monument
2. degree of clarity or originality of historical association to something ancient
3. uniqueness of artifact
you can take many more if needed...
so as you know the bamian budhdhas are more ancient and they related to Budhdhism without any doubt. While in case of Babri masjid it is said that it was originally a temple and further in any case it is less ancient than those budhdhas.
even on third they are rare apperance in afganistan while mosques build by xyz sultan or whatever in India are too many...
So don't just assume that there is no scope for comparing things, it depends what your objective is.
#7 Posted by Akbarhussain on December 18, 2008 10:26:44 am
Re: # 4
LOL! Next you would suggest they entered the Taj Hotel with bags full of those weapons that were allowed in the Hotel!
I am still trying to maintain my sanity, and when I will lose it, I will be on your side.
LOL! Next you would suggest they entered the Taj Hotel with bags full of those weapons that were allowed in the Hotel!
I am still trying to maintain my sanity, and when I will lose it, I will be on your side.
#8 Posted by pinku on December 18, 2008 10:32:11 am
#7 Posted by Akbarhussain on
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LOL! Next you would suggest they entered the Taj Hotel with bags full of those weapons that were allowed in the Hotel!
I am still trying to maintain my sanity, and when I will lose it, I will be on your side.
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Ha ha:-), by then you will find me super insane... I am not sitting idle...
They entered with those bag full of whatever while firing bullets..... but it is possible that the colected more than bags-full-of ammunition inside with the help of their comrades in India, which you can buy dime a dozen... You can even get Hindu people in support of your Jehad provided they are paid money.... Why your sanity feels these things are so impossible??..
#9 Posted by Akbarhussain on December 18, 2008 10:48:40 am
Re: # 8
"You can even get Hindu people in support of your Jehad provided they are paid money.... Why your sanity feels these things are so impossible??.. "
Pinku ji, you are coming to the point. So what the fuss is all about? 10 Hindu boys, paid by Indian Goverment, to create a reason to attack Pakistan at time when it is entangled in internal and external conflicts...is as much possible as anything. For Goverment of India, a few people seem "dispensable" for a greater "good"!
"You can even get Hindu people in support of your Jehad provided they are paid money.... Why your sanity feels these things are so impossible??.. "
Pinku ji, you are coming to the point. So what the fuss is all about? 10 Hindu boys, paid by Indian Goverment, to create a reason to attack Pakistan at time when it is entangled in internal and external conflicts...is as much possible as anything. For Goverment of India, a few people seem "dispensable" for a greater "good"!
#10 Posted by pinku on December 18, 2008 11:00:16 am
#9 Posted by Akbarhussain
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Pinku ji, you are coming to the point. So what the fuss is all about? 10 Hindu boys, paid by Indian Goverment, to create a reason to attack Pakistan at time when it is entangled in internal and external conflicts...is as much possible as anything. For Goverment of India, a few people seem "dispensable" for a greater "good"!
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No, I am just speeding past your point so that you can see where I am going. The fuss is that you try to ignore truth, the fuss is that there are more evidence than needed for a sane person's sanity to understand that those 10 guys were from Pakistan, whatever that father of one of them said should have been enough for sanity??
So the fuss is why you are so compelled to ignore truths as they are. Even if you can somehow convince people that by ignoring these truths the world will feel happy about Pakistan, you would have been politically right even if morally wrong, but currently you don't get anything out of it, except self deception. World is fully convinced about what Pakistan is doing in UK, India, Afganistan, Chechenya or even in China. They train all of them, they are great trainers???? They extend their hospitality to all of them, very generous people indeed??
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Pinku ji, you are coming to the point. So what the fuss is all about? 10 Hindu boys, paid by Indian Goverment, to create a reason to attack Pakistan at time when it is entangled in internal and external conflicts...is as much possible as anything. For Goverment of India, a few people seem "dispensable" for a greater "good"!
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No, I am just speeding past your point so that you can see where I am going. The fuss is that you try to ignore truth, the fuss is that there are more evidence than needed for a sane person's sanity to understand that those 10 guys were from Pakistan, whatever that father of one of them said should have been enough for sanity??
So the fuss is why you are so compelled to ignore truths as they are. Even if you can somehow convince people that by ignoring these truths the world will feel happy about Pakistan, you would have been politically right even if morally wrong, but currently you don't get anything out of it, except self deception. World is fully convinced about what Pakistan is doing in UK, India, Afganistan, Chechenya or even in China. They train all of them, they are great trainers???? They extend their hospitality to all of them, very generous people indeed??
#11 Posted by Eklavya on December 18, 2008 11:00:27 am
Sankrant, you may be mixing up two different kinds of things under the broad label of apologia, and may actually be leaving out one important element.
What you have called 'denial' may simply be an outcome of basic cognitive differences. People actually may use dissimilar different processes to arrive at different conclusions from the same empirical data.
So it could be that looking at the same real world, an average Hindu and an average Muslim will arrive at radically opposite descriptions of it.
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Now suppose, somehow, in exceptional cases, we managed to arrive at cognitive equivalence - that we all assume such an act was committed.
Then it is understood in three ways:
(1) Working of Justice (shades of 'karma theory?')
(2) Natural human nature
(3) Islamic exceptionalism (argument that while others may be willing to tolerate injustice, but followers of Islam are not.)
What you have called 'denial' may simply be an outcome of basic cognitive differences. People actually may use dissimilar different processes to arrive at different conclusions from the same empirical data.
So it could be that looking at the same real world, an average Hindu and an average Muslim will arrive at radically opposite descriptions of it.
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Now suppose, somehow, in exceptional cases, we managed to arrive at cognitive equivalence - that we all assume such an act was committed.
Then it is understood in three ways:
(1) Working of Justice (shades of 'karma theory?')
(2) Natural human nature
(3) Islamic exceptionalism (argument that while others may be willing to tolerate injustice, but followers of Islam are not.)
#12 Posted by mohar11 on December 18, 2008 11:09:29 am
hussain
Yep - it's hanood and yahood conspiracy to kill themselves to malign islam... LOL
Yep - it's hanood and yahood conspiracy to kill themselves to malign islam... LOL
#13 Posted by Naima on December 18, 2008 11:12:16 am
I didnt read the whole article because I can only handle so much BS at a time. I thought I'd let you know what the US got out of 9/11.
As easy access to Iraqi oil,, $80 Billion in just Y08 only and about $2 Trillion in defense spending (pockets of defense contractors).
now was that too hard to understand. chew on this for a while
As easy access to Iraqi oil,, $80 Billion in just Y08 only and about $2 Trillion in defense spending (pockets of defense contractors).
now was that too hard to understand. chew on this for a while
#14 Posted by Akbarhussain on December 18, 2008 11:20:42 am
Re: # 10
Truth, truth, truth...!
So much truth without any truth, so much so that our Pinku ji had to resort to rants and tantrums.
Truth, truth, truth...!
So much truth without any truth, so much so that our Pinku ji had to resort to rants and tantrums.
#15 Posted by mohar11 on December 18, 2008 11:29:20 am
Re: # 14
yes - only pakis know the truth truth truth... pakiland never exports jihad, niether it happens in pakiland... it's all conspiracy...LOL
yes - only pakis know the truth truth truth... pakiland never exports jihad, niether it happens in pakiland... it's all conspiracy...LOL
#16 Posted by pinku on December 18, 2008 11:30:52 am
#14 Posted by Akbarhussain
So what do you think? Those guys were Hindus from India? Akbar, life is yours, you can believe anything but truth doesn't change as per your or mine wish. What evidence or reasoning you use for arriving at your conclusions? Just random ego?
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