Heed Tariq Ali's Voice

Re: #95
Hydra, how many head do you have; I have one and I see no sense in your mumbling?

Show me an interact in which I abused Hinduism or your gods/goddesses the way you half-literates (make that complete illiterates) abuse Prophet Muhammad (peace on him) and Islam (religion for the entire mankind).

This has always been so at ChowQ, you folks abuse and I try and explain. You know why, because this is what the Book wants me to do?

Stay happy with your books but don't utter nonsense about Islam.

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Problems are not solved by wishing away things or by dreaming up situations, you have to face the fact. Fact is that Indian poverty will take long time to be eradicated. And fact is that it will take a lot longer than that before muslims understand what is wrong with their way of defining and using religion. It takes little time to create a poor or fanatic, but it takes lot of time to make them normal again. And while people are working on reducing poverty, the work on reducing fanaticism has hardly started (especially, if you talk about Islam), most muslims still do not understand or accept what the boundary line is.

Anil Sharma,

Perhaps you are trying to read too much into things that hardly make any sense. You will find it difficult to create a union out of Pakistanis and Indian on chowk and he feels that two nations can live as a Union. Still i just checked one of his articles and I am copy pasting the whole article so that readers here can judge his analytical power as well as bent of mind. He feels that deccan mujahiddin will find it easy to reach Mumbai via sea route!!! If they travelled on bus or rails they would have been caught??? Meaning, it was safer to take sea route:-) ........Plus while they are claiming the responsibility they needed to stage a drama to show as if somebody came from Pakistan to do it. How stupid it is??? ha ha:-) God only knows, because stupidity knows no limits. Further if you read his vague and apologetic article disparaging India, yet showing lot of concern for poor muslims as well as commenting on India as if he gave a rich India to us, with rich muslims and we turned them into hungry people, etc etc, you will get to know that these people do not need a stable and good india, Anyway, if you need arguments against his ideas in copy pasted stuff below, or how to prove that he his wishing away things, I can provide them.

It is difficult to manage India alone because of the diversity of people and problem. We already have 160-170 million muslims whom we have kept poor for long??? Plus we have around 550 million hindus whom we have kept poor for too long (means add mughal period here as well and then a few thousand years since 1500 BC). Plus we have greedy people who still not allowing infrastructure projects to be initiated or completed properly. So in such a scenario tell people like Tariq Ali, to deal with situations without a union. That is not a regular problem solving approach, and i don't understand what you felt so good about.




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The terrorist assault on Mumbai’s five-star hotels was well planned, but did not require a great deal of logistic intelligence: all the targets were soft. The aim was to create mayhem by shining the spotlight on India and its problems and in that the terrorists were successful. The identity of the black-hooded group remains a mystery.

The Deccan Mujahedeen, which claimed the outrage in an e-mail press release, is certainly a new name probably chosen for this single act. But speculation is rife. A senior Indian naval officer has claimed that the attackers (who arrived in a ship, the M V Alpha) were linked to Somali pirates, implying that this was a revenge attack for the Indian Navy’s successful if bloody action against pirates in the Arabian Gulf that led to heavy casualties some weeks ago.

The Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh, has insisted that the terrorists were based outside the country. The Indian media has echoed this line of argument with Pakistan (via the Lashkar-e-Taiba) and al-Qaeda listed as the usual suspects.

But this is a meditated edifice of official India’s political imagination. Its function is to deny that the terrorists could be a homegrown variety, a product of the radicalization of young Indian Muslims who have finally given up on the indigenous political system. To accept this view would imply that the country’s political physicians need to heal themselves.

Al Qaeda, as the CIA recently made clear, is a group on the decline. It has never come close to repeating anything vaguely resembling the hits of 9/11.

Its principal leader Osama bin Laden may well be dead (he certainly did not make his trademark video intervention in this year’s Presidential election in the United States) and his deputy has fallen back on threats and bravado.

What of Pakistan? The country’s military is heavily involved in actions on its Northwest frontier where the spillage from the Afghan war has destabilized the region. The politicians currently in power are making repeated overtures to India. The Lashkar-e-Taiba, not usually shy of claiming its hits, has strongly denied any involvement with the Mumbai attacks.

Why should it be such a surprise if the perpetrators are themselves Indian Muslims? Its hardly a secret that there has been much anger within the poorest sections of the Muslim community against the systematic discrimination and acts of violence carried out against them of which the 2002 anti-Muslim pogrom in shining Gujarat was only the most blatant and the most investigated episode, supported by the Chief Minister of the State and the local state apparatuses.

Add to this the continuing sore of Kashmir which has for decades been treated as a colony by Indian troops with random arrests, torture and rape of Kashmiris an everyday occurrence. Conditions have been much worse than in Tibet, but have aroused little sympathy in the West where the defense of human rights is heavily instrumentalised.

Indian intelligence outfits are well aware of all this and they should not encourage the fantasies of their political leaders. Its best to come out and accept that there are severe problems inside the country. A billion Indians: 80 percent Hindus and 14 percent Muslims. A very large minority that cannot be ethnically cleansed without provoking a wider conflict.

None of this justifies terrorism, but it should, at the very least, force India’s rulers to direct their gaze on their own country and the conditions that prevail. Economic disparities are profound. The absurd notion that the trickle-down effects of global capitalism would solve most problems can now be seen for what it always was: a fig leaf to conceal new modes of exploitation.

tahir
forget him bhai! He doesn't get it.

-E

"Then again what si wrong with that, is it not better than obeying to a book 1700 years old and legalising honour killing. Hopefully hoodood ordinance will go only when india demands that it has to go.

Most controversial domestic actions have come, in obedience to indian orders."

hahaha...and you have the guts to tell me that you "contribute" in any positive manner to any discussion?? I mean even after giving you so many counter example to what you have just written here and before, you still partake in the same kind of ethnic/racial slurring?...i mean, could i not very well say that there are no human rights for hindu women because their holy book makes infanticide/"sati" legal? (which is wrong to say, but is exactly how your logic works)

i think something must've gone terribly wrong with your childhood...

Re: # 88
"Banned for calling a spade a spade Majumdar bhai"

What model are you Nokia?

In case it failed to ring your bell, your beloved bhaiya got ban-chowQed for being abusive about Islam.

Sincere regards.

PS: use your real name if you're a real (wo)man.

Bittersweetmojo, the only reason I asked your age is that this behaviour is only befitting a 15 year old.
Who are you to say you will shut me or anyone else up?
Who are you to say I can't "smell the blood"? I can smell the blood of the Bombay dead, and people like you are responsible. Get off your high horse, stop seeing yourself as a lone warrior for peace and justice.
What pomposity!

#87 by majumdar

What happened to our dear Harishbhai?

Banned for calling a spade a spade Majumdar bhai :-)

Nokia,

What happened to our dear Harishbhai?

Regards

#84 by bittersweetmojo

As if you and your masters have every right to speak for the world.

I thought it was you who you have masters everywhere you can find them? If it is China to the East, it is the Saudis and Yanks in the Middle East and further west. No wonder you cannot think like self-respecting individuals and always project your way of thinking on to others. May Allah give you some self-respect because you cannot have any on your own!

Kadvimeethi,

Re: 84

Sigh.

I do not wish to export anything to Pakistan. I will be very happy if India continues with a capitalist economic model and enjoys close relationship with the Western world, without prejudice to relations with China, Russia, Iran etc.

As far as you guys are concerned, pls feel free to adopt the Talibani model. I have no problems with that, as long as you dont try to export it to us Indians.

Regards

#81
jamadaar,

What's this bhai ji...

"You have every right to speak of Pakistan. But you have no right to speak about Third World, you dont want it."

As if you and your masters have every right to speak for the world. No doubt you have already assumed this role for exploitating the world more n more , in the name of speading neo-liberal values of your 'civilisation'. Cut the crap, darling!


-E

Madani saab

Helping pakistan - advice from an indian

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Darfur


THIS is apropos of the report saying that almost six years of fighting in the Darfur region of Sudan has killed 200,000.

This is very shocking, indeed. The Muslims have been killing Muslims in Darfur since 2003. It is strange that nobody in Pakistan talks about it. The religious parties don’t speak out against this death and destruction.

I would greatly appreciate if anyone could explain the reasons for this intriguing silence.

S. CHAUDHARY
Lahore

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Chuadhary saab, as usual you are an igniorant paki. In darfor it fair skinned arab muslims are killing the black african muslims. In pakistan, you can ask tahmed, romair and ylh on chowk, the skin colour very important and any paki takes pride in that. That si why the pakis are slavish to teh whites, they have better colour.

That si why your president Zardari acted so stupidly when he saw sara palin, the is why your earlier PM wnated to be patted by Bush.

The TNt islam created by Jinnah is responnsible for this. So take it from Choudary, the killing of dark muslims byt white muslims is ok for any paki, and further it is a jihadic war, muslims killing muslims, that is only a religious ritual and that is why no one cares about paki troops killing muslims in fata.

Mumbai probe not under external pressure, NA told



By Iftikhar A. Khan


ISLAMABAD, Jan 19: Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani informed the National Assembly on Monday that Pakistan was investigating the Mumbai attacks in its own interest and not under any external pressure.

“We are not doing it under pressure from either India or the United States and United Kingdom,� he said in response to points of order raised by Leader of the Opposition in the National Assembly, Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan.
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The humiliation of a nation continues. After denying that the terrorist is a paki, after stating that india did not provide evidence , after moving teh troops to border.., after the ilks of romair and ylh claimng that the killers are not pakis..the govt is now telling that they are not under pressure.

The plight of the poor pakis and their humiliation is reaching un-bearable proportions. Good that islam bans suicide, other most pakis would have simply done that. Then again, no..the book does not talk about honour nad integrity. It is all about obedience to teh book.

Kadvimeethi,

Ask any Afghan.

Sure, I will be very happy to interact if some Afghan is around on chowk.

But for that, you will have to speak to him, whom you despise the most.

The only Afghan I have ever met in real life was a Prof at my college and he was a fine gentleman, teacher and engineer. So unlike you Pakis (who have bombed that country to bits), I have no reason to despise Afghans.

Well, I am blaming your capitalist world for victimizing the Third World

You have every right to speak of Pakistan. But you have no right to speak about Third World, you dont want it. There are many third world countries like China, India, Vietnam, Indonesia who want to have nothing to do with the Taliban and their world view.

Regards