World Bank Help For Pakistan’s Education – A Poisoned Chalice?

Re: # 42
The whole spiel about an “Islamic State� is such hog-wash. Most Pakistanis are weary of the whole damn deal about the concept. All that bull about “going back to the golden age of the 4 Rightly guided caliphs,� can give hardons only to the idiots who actually believe in the lies Muslims have been told about their past for last thousand years or so.
Tahir, when you say you are trying for an Islamic State, I take it that you are looking to smear your fellow Pakistanis with deeds based on pure fiction i.e. Islamic History that was taught to you at school and the so-called “authentic hadidhs.� Yea, right.

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Re: # 76

I don't know the western molestors you've named; as for Prophet Muhammad (saw), you've been condemned to stand in opposition to God and His prophets.

By the way, what are the sources for your idiotic accusations?

Perish in your umpteenth reincarnation, worshipper of the naked bapu who slept with his niece and....well, never mind.

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While I respect Dr. Hoodbhoy immensely and value his opinions greatly, I do think that his criticism of Dr. Ata-ur-Rahman is overdone in Pakistan's context. For the first time in the nation's history, Dr. Rahman succeeded in getting tremendous focus and major funding increases for higher education in Pakistan. As evident from the results, there has been a significant increase in the numbers of universities and highly-educated faculty in Pakistan. There have also been some instances of abuse of incentives, opportunities and resources provided to the academics. The quality of some of the institutions of higher learning can also be enhanced significantly. But overall, I would have an Ata-ur-Raman in charge of education rather than Mir Hazar Khan Bijrani, the current education minister.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 70
"gandhi is even lower than that child rapist prophet you worship"

I know who inspires you to utter nonsense. You always utter nonsense about God's chosen way for mankind.

ChowQ let you die your hundredth death and now you're reborn as Arjun 23!

Are you a boy or a girl in this life, or something in between?

Grow up and recognise those around you in this world.

Who do really respect; just curious?

#58 Posted by majumdar

"it needs be reiterated that the great man's mother tongue was Gujarati/Cutchi and not Urdu, where he was not very comfortable."

May I add one more jewel to the crown of this great man?

His grandfather was Poonja Gokuldas Meghji a caste Hindu. This grand old man must have had the vision for his would be grandson as the founder of a Pure land and to facilitate this great deed, he must have converted to Islam to clear his path.

58 Posted by majumdar
" things would never have come to this pass and India wud never have got a chance to intervene."

Point by point you are explaining that the partition of Pakistan was the making of the rulers of that country and yet you want to declare that India is the culprit.

Imagine the plight of the neighbouring country when the entire population of one country flows into it and throws the system out of gear there. You turn to the bigger countries to express your grievance and they could shoulder you. You can not drive the refugees back because you know that they have nowhere to go.

Your system was corrupt and you paid the price for that. You did not respect your citizens and implied that they did not speak your language. You forced your language on them when you knew that they had their distinct culture and language. In fact you did not accept them at all. If it would have been possible for you, you would perhaps imposed Jazia tax on them. Do you treat your Mohajirs well?

Now talking of India. When India knew that you were falling under your own weight, what was wrong in relishing the fact that you are being relieved of the responsibility of guarding two borders with a war mongering country?

#66 Posted by majumdar
"I think you MUST show the Mahatma's true colours. "

We in India regard Gandhiji as a great person who brought the entire Indian masses together in the fight against the British. Whatever the hype created during the independence struggle and immediately thereafter, an average Indian does not axalt him to the status of any prophet. The nation is grateful to them as much as they are to leaders like Netaji, Khan Saheb, Lalaji, Bhagat Singh, Rajguru, Sukhdev, and other pageful of leaders.

Our conviction is that Gandhiji's non-violence was greatly supplemented by the aggressive actions by the great patriots which made the rulers bleed white.

If one takes some time out to ponder over what Gandhiji gained out of all that he did for his motherland, one would generate instant respect for him.

Gandhiji died for going out of the way to help Muslims of Pakistan. No Muslim in Pakistan has got any respect for him for what he did for him. They would only idolize MAJ because he played the Muslim card and became the head of the Government in Pakistan. Ambedkar is idolised by the backward caste for he upheld the cause of those people. Nobody remembers Gandhiji for what he did for upliftment of the dalits. Non backward caste people hate him for being too considerate for dalits, at the cost of other classes.

For all his ideas which appeared pervert to many people, Gandhiji was a selfless saint and the best example of a Patriot. If muslims don't respect him, it is an example of their ungratefulness. If Dalits hate him, it is the height of their ignorance.

Let us not forget that todays vibrant democracy that that is India owes it to this great FAQIR who with all his qualification and capabilities lived and died for India.

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Re: # 66
"I think you MUST show the Mahatma's true colours. You must serve the cause of Truth much as another friend Yasser once did on chowk."

Well, I need to ask Laddu/NGK/Ajaya/Arjun and others permission; so highly regarded are these personalities.

Thanks.

Re: # 67
"I was expecting a bombshell though."

Why would you expect that; I'm not the Taliban!

Fianlly, you are attempting to seek the truth and live up to your name.

#62 Posted by tahir

Thanks for clarification tahir mian, I was expecting a bombshell though.

In fact I got curious because this term was used as a salutation to MAJ and you did not seem to mind it.

Thanks once again.

Tahir mian,

I have no wish to slander the Prophet (pbuh) but I have no control over those of my compatriots/co-religionists who wish to do so. But still, irrespective of what Hindoos on chowk do or dont, I think you MUST show the Mahatma's true colours. You must serve the cause of Truth much as another friend Yasser once did on chowk.

Regards

Re: # 64

Thanks for understanding; truth must prevail.

If its any consolation to you, I live by the Indus too!

Please ask those who malign Islam (I mean ChowQies) unashamedly, to STOP or I'll expose the 'Great Soul' completely.

How dare they accuse Prophet Muhammad (saw) of perversion? Haven't they figured out who Bapuji really was?

Shanti for those who want Shanti.

:)

Tahir mian,

Re:63

If it is of any consolation to you, many of us Indians/Hindoos are heartily ashamed of the (alleged) Mahatma.

Regards