Obama Inauguration Brings Hope, Scepticism

#102 Posted by HP

[Now the question is would India remain in the game or back out.]

India is a much bigger power than UK. Indians don't give a rat's ass what Miliband says. Barack Hussein Obama can hope all he wants. He's going to be unsuccessful if he tries to meddle in Kashmir.

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Want to seek greener pastures abroad? Come to a gurudwara here and offer a plane and who knows your wish might get fulfilled.

This may sound strange but Punjabi youths, especially from the Doaba region, have been thronging the Gurudwara Sant Baba Nihal Singh Ji Shaheedan in Talhan to offer toy planes so that their wishes of going abroad and getting lucrative jobs are fulfilled.

Toy planes, inscribed with names of different carriers, are found in front of the Guru Granth Sahib.

It all started few months back, when the word spread that wishes of settling abroad would be fulfilled if one offers a toy plane in the shrine.

#104 Posted by tahmed32

[ajeya: that was a very good comeback...for a half-brain. ]

Half a brain is always enough to swat a Paki.

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Nato kill rate targets,

There are thousands of madrassas in pakistan producing the jihadis. They do attack the nato troops in afghanistan. Each such attack is followed by gunship attacks by the paki troops on paki jihadis and predator attacks by the US on al quida which is supported by teh isi.

Based on the available statistics, the nato kill rate is around 50 paki jahidis for every one nato soldier.

This taget will be maintained by Obama also. The jihadis seek death, and paki nation is delivering it to the jihadis at their door steps. This is the role of a true islamic country.

Obama Inauguration Brings Hope, Scepticism
Posted by dost_mittar Jan 23, 2009 04:59 am
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I have already agreed to give Kashmir to you guys. What will you give in return.�

Little over a month ago I posted this. And now we have the Western Media and Miliband talking about Kashmir.

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Posted by HP Dec 13, 2008 07:27 pm
“Lastly, if the Jihadi groups are eliminated the army could possibly ask for a reward. The US and the other forces in the area will have to consider that too. I have some idea but it would be premature to write about that now.� /

This is interesting the victim of Mumbai is being asked to give up something…The west plays some hard games.

It is again not abt India and sooner the Indians get this out their heads the better it would be for their national mental health.

It is all about protection to the US army and a prolonged US occupation of Afghanistan. The point in a nutshell is: would the Pak army provide protection to the US. If it does, there is a reward and that reward maybe Kashmir.
Judging by the muted Indian response to Miliband’s insistence and again a UK govt’s statement today that it is just following its stated policy, we are in for some really great times.
This is interesting that India has to switch PM in the middle of the game. Parnab takes over as PM after a fake heart trouble for Manmohan Singh. Now the question is would India remain in the game or back out.

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#98 Posted by tahmed32

[#97 that still doesnt change the fact that you need help.]

And you need Preparation H.

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#97 that still doesnt change the fact that you need help.

Correction: I meant "two main arguments", not "three arguments".

#95 Shanker understands your problem. He is a psychiatrist.

It would be one thing if traitorous fifth columnists like this shankar were able to support their self-aggrandizing stand stand with some logic. But they are never able to do this. Like recently Dost Mittar and majumdar (although Majumdar ended up saying he was against India giving up Kashmir) ended up with their tails between their legs.

Here's why. There are three arguments one can make about Pakistan's "right" to Kashmir, or Kashmir's "right" to become it's own country.

1. The MORAL argument: These immoral characters try different approaches to this:

a) State Terrorism: "Kashmiri civilians are being killed by the Indian army - this is grounds for Kashmir seceding", or
b) Plebiscite: "Kashmiris should be able to decide if they want to stay with India or not".
c) The UN resolution argument: "India should be honoring the UN Resolution it signed"

Quite obviously, BOTH these arguments fall flat on their face when inspected closely -

for a) the answer is that ANYTIME terrorists hide within the general population, collateral damage is unavoidable, and also that the troops would be unnecessary if there were no terrorists - the question of what came first - the troops or the terrorists can be answered quite easily.

As for b), of course, the question itself is a false question - because MUSLIM Kashmiris by themselves have no right to decide this - the original drive to secede was not because of Kashmiriyat, but Islamiyat - otherwise Hindu Kashmiris would have wanted to secede too. A great example in this regard is Sri Lanka - I just met a CHRISTIAN Tamil from Sri Lanka who HATES the Sinhalese rule just as much as HINDU Tamils - an excellent example of an ETHNIC struggle, rather than shoving things down the throats of the ethnic minority because they are a different religion.

For c), the obvious answer is "Why should India honour the UN agreement when Pakistan violated the EARLIER tripartite agreement it signed"? Why? Eh?

2. The pragmatist's argument: also known as the "look, it's for India's own good" argument: I think India has done PRETTY well in the last few decades IN SPITE of the NATO countries going against India at every opportunity, especially at the UN - because of Pakistan's servile attitude. I think we'll manage the next few decades PRETTY well as well, thank you very much.

Obama has PROMISED a) to end the American presence in Iraq, and b) to finish off the Taliban in Afghanistan. He won't be able to do either. American troops will be in Iraq for the next 30 years, and the Taliban will only gain in strength unless Pakis decide that secularism is the way to go, and change the name of their country and the constitution. Neither of which they'll be able to do, so Pakiland might fragment - just as Iraq might, with or without continued US presence.

I think we Indians should increase and improve our pest control - periodically bomb the bastard jehadis and send them scurrying to their spider holes in the ground and the hills. You can never fully get rid of pests, so one has to control the population.

Helping pakistan - advice from an indian

Tahmed,

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ISLAMABAD: The Senate on Friday adopted a unanimous resolution assailing Israel’s barbaric military aggression in Gaza, killing thousands of innocent civilians including women and children.
The resolution moved by the leader of the House in the Senate Mian Raza Rabbani, and the following speeches lambasted the so called civilised world and particularly the US for watching the orgy of death and destruction like a silent spectator.
The resolution which also criticised the role of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC) lauded government's efforts to sensitize the international community and the OIC to fulfill their responsibilities in upholding the rights of the Palestinian people.

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The paki legislators have criticised the israeli action. In pakistan the fata is being bombed regularly by the paki army, there more than 300,000 refugees , people who have escaped the paki bombing.

Tahmed, instead of calline me names, be bold enough to criticise the paki army action, or at least redicule the paki senators actions.

Tahmed, i lnow like all other pakis on chowk, you will not do that, for you the paki army with a motto of "jihad in the name of god" is figting anothet jihadi outfit, and you like all pakis find nothing wrong with it.

For you pakis, only when a kafir is killing a muslim then it is a big issue.

tahmed, you are pathetic.

Now tahmed, you can start your name calling.

arjun:

Bhai, I do need newspapers and am quite aware that Obama wants a surge in Afghanistan. We are talking of different things.

#87 Posted by dost_mittar on January 23, 2009 5:32:01 pm


I would call it state terrorism if Indians start firing indiscriminately into the crowds or start bombing like Bhutto did in Balochistan


paki forces have killed thousands of civilians in NWFP using bombers and tanks and heavy artillery...