In Search of Political Will: Fight Against Militants in Swat

Bhattis were kshatriyas from Bhatti Tribe.

Bhatti ji,
You are avoiding the main issue I raised.

Calling me Maulana Fazlu Category does not answer my question!!

No dash Dot,

I don't think that Bhattis were of priest class. Bhatts may be but not Bhattis...

biggest flaw of present followers of islam is self deception(i do not know whether it is part of holybook or hadiths).In the begining the skirmishes in Swat were said to be by RAW agents (RAW in in it's wildest dreams can not achieve what taliban have done).Now after fazlullah has beaten Pak army and hopes of retrieving swat are fast receding,it is portrayed as intra islamic fight for a noble cuase.true,winner takes all in islam!!

#27

Shariah is the law of UAE. Have you seen anybody beheaded or hands cut there.. There explanation is very modern in this regard...

BTW Bhatti - the BUtts, bhattis, bhuttos etc were all from the priestly class before conversion - just thought I would provide this information for the heck of it (T) ;)

Re: # 27 maybe there is a requirement for a KJB type of thing - so that just as latin disappeared as a main language (and along with it the tag of cultured etc etc etc) - then you could see the reinforcemnet of the what yousay below.

First one include people like me, who consider it as fitna, and who believe that this should be crushed. If someone wants any change in law or want to change the policies, they should come forward, convince the people, get elected in parliament and change the laws.

Can the law & policies be changed? Aren't they immutable and unchangebale?

NKG,

No I am not semi Beduin. You cannot think of any set of values without it binding it to land, hence your calling me semi beduine. The problem is with the psyche which is nurtured through brahmans and considering the land as some sort of devi. Afterall, people in hinduism thought that there dharam will be bhrisht if they went outside India... You are not capable of thinking outside the mental block of hinduism...

NKG,

Yes in Egypt, Copts welcomed it as saviours. In Persia, people welcomed it because they were oppressed by previous regime. In India, people in hordes converted, and the rest continued to practice their religion. If this is not true, then why you are still a hindu...

Khalid Bhatti....
Mr. semi Beduin (some part of your name is Punju though), so what you expect muslas in Pakiland to behave like? Punjus, Sindhis etc...and not like musla?
What you are experiencing in Pakistan today is in total compliance with Islamic history. Like other victims Islam like Egypt,Persia.... If islamic value system has not captured everything of Pakiland, the blame should go to the Brits and Indian rule for brief period of time and un-islamic work of Sir Ganga Ram etc...
Another 30/40 years, Pakistan shoule be pure islamic nation, if International presence and influence become thinner...and that version of islam will be pure islam not some imaginary one you are trying to propagate,like non-inflammable petrol...

Re: # 26

Laddu,

Islam is a progressive religion and has different meaning in different eras. There was once Jizya, but there is none today. There was once slavery, and there is none today. The early muslims did not raise arms untill they formed themselves into a state. And according to the norms of state in those days they did what states did. But why I am telling you this.. You are a person of Moulana Fazlullah category, who do not have any sort of common sense....

Re: # 22

Dash Babu,

This habit of bowing to arab and even persians is unique to muslims of sub continent perhaps due to long history of bowing to a specific class. After becoming muslims, they just changed them to arabs and persians from sanskrit speaking barhmins. This deference was more acute in previous generation. Current generation is still into it but will get over it because of events unfolding and due to avaialbility of exposures which were not there before.

As far to your second question regarding the nature of this mayhem, there are two school of thoughts:

First one include people like me, who consider it as fitna, and who believe that this should be crushed. If someone wants any change in law or want to change the policies, they should come forward, convince the people, get elected in parliament and change the laws.

Second school of thought is the one which believes that the use of violence is justifiable to achieve its goals. This is Fazlullah, Baitullah and people who support them including the opologetic like Urstruly. Such people did exist in islamic history, and were called kaharjin. They were crushed, and this exactly is the line of action that the first school of thought mentioned above follows.

So the two POV are actually reformation through will of people (first one) and through use of gun (which people like urstruly knowingly or unknowingly suuport)...

"We in Pakistan are dealing with reactionary and narrow minded approach of a segment of society which by no stretch of the word are in majority."

Bhatti ji,

Sometimes I feel like you are like a small child.
Innocent and gullible.

Remember, Islam began with a SMALL minority set of people who were fanatical about their aims. It grew out of imperialist conquests of other tribes and lands.
The present day Islamic Jehadists have their faith in the success of that approach and are only biding their time.
They know that the so called majority of people abhor violence, but are afraid of violence and would bend down to accept peace and submission if they go the Rambo-way like the first generation of Islamic followers.

Hamid Zaid talks about these Gazis all the time.
Why?
Because he knows that these Ghazis moulded the direction of Islamic imperialism.
It was not pacifists who changed the history- but these fanatics who decided the direction of Islam.

So, if you tell us mushriques that these modern day Ghazis would be taken care of then I can only laugh at you- because they would first take care of you!!!
The history of Islam is open for all to read now on the internet. We know the hollowness of these claims by 'moderates'.
It is time we did something to protect ourselves- IT is also time you did something to protect yourself from these gazis.!!
Let us join hands and eliminate them- stop trying to protect them.

Re: # 10
Maj dear,
"Are you implying that the Taliban of Pakistan and Afghanistan are not true Muslim mujahideens but Zionist-Mirzaee agents 'cos these people consider themselves to be the truest Muslims?"

What THEY think is their affair, what I'm saying is that their actions must been seen under the Qur'anic microscope. No prophet's companions indulged in murderous suicides or destroyed reading and writing. Remember the first word revealed to Muhammad (pbuh) was IQRA (read with understanding).

But I guess, when pushed up against the wall, what choice does a dying man has except fight back destroying his destroyers too?

The whole WOT-idea is to KILL or displace people, physically take-over the land and all its resources.

In the meantime, huge doses of uranmuim are being found in urine samples of poor Afghans. When the US army is off duty, they collect such samples to see how much they've destroyed through depleted uranium weaponry.

Ciao.

Re: # 21
Krbhatti...
"Keep in mind that whereever Islam went, it allowed the locals to keep their values intact..."

LOL...Like islam is peaceful religion.....

Re: # 9
Tahir, you most obviouslly have been reading Islamic history that is a blatant fabrication to support, (1): the Abbasid caliphs' Machiavellian claims to power, and then, (2) to safeguard the idiotic ideas of Pakistan's political Islamists.

Secondly, there is one more ahadidh attributed to the prophet. It says: "Stop quoting crap in my name, losers!"

Finally it seems the only time men like you are able to find meaning in life is by attracting the attention of so-called "Islamophobes." Get a life, brother.