In Search of Political Will: Fight Against Militants in Swat

bhatti: e. This is pure Arab racism and nothing else. These misguided, ill informed, and imbeciles are not only criminals and bigots in their actions but are also full of their own selves to think anything about their non Arab allies. They are there to be used and these non Arabs themselves have allowed themselves to be used because of their ignorance and short sightedness.

Interesting set of lines. As an aside, is this realisation new? Is this bigotry something new?

However, more importantly:

The pakistan government talks of "terrorism" in Pakistan itself. Given what you say, is this a case that the Pakistan Governemnt is suggesting that the guys who are carrying out terrors acts in pakistan are from the outside the country?

Or is it as Urstruly has said here, and many times before (this includes the many others), that this is an equal and opposite reaction - almost justifiable under Islam (urstruly has said this below). If that is the case then it is a law and order situation. Purely from an islamic pov it is not Law and Order, but the a "just right" to carry out mayhem and destroy property of others. It will be Law&Order only if it is taken out of the "Islamic" context (and here I am relying on Urstruly's scholarship and not the kind of touchy-feely tahmed-kind of stuff)

Finally, since FATA has but become unliveable for these guys, do you think that they have moved to SWAT (and hence the skirmishes there)?

BJ Kumar,

Every human society chooses for itself a set of values according to which they live. Some take it from religion (like equality of all men who are born, which can be readily understood through abrahmic religions), and some take it from their own historic experiences. So what is wrong if a society combines religion with culture to arrive at its code of life. Just imagine, what would have happened if invaders fron north followed the hinduism. The conquered would have been given the low caste status, and you would have accepted it as Karma, a concept already in vogue in India.

Now you'll come up with the arguement against Islam itself. Keep in mind that whereever Islam went, it allowed the locals to keep their values intact. You and a billion hindus is a good example of that. You would not have been here if there was no tolerance in Islam. We in Pakistan are dealing with reactionary and narrow minded approach of a segment of society which by no stretch of the word are in majority. We will settle this, even if it takes a whole generation or two, but we will get there...

Re: # 8
tahir...
So, Pakistan is under ZIONIST control!!!
That may be surprising news to Israel as well...
BTW, Pakistan fought against Israel during 1967 war....

Re: # 3
Urs...
"elite and their butcher of a frontman destroyed 8 mosques in Islamabad. Later, in Islamabad, 2000 school girls of an Islamic school were butchered mercilessly by them, along with the destruction of Lal Masjid. ..."
If this MADressahs are schools to you, then pardon me, UN security council should destroy education system in Pakistan and if possible the country itself...
These boooooorqa clad females can produce only jihadi rascals...

Bhatti sahib, at the root of the problem lies the issue of the separation of religion from the affairs of the state. The Islamists do not believe in it, the "liberals" may (but are too afraid to say so). Most of the leadership, media, "intellectuals", etc. like to leave the issue ambiguous -- to everyone's detriment.

Hey, all of you Islamophobes, check out my latest I-log.

I'm not sorry; you deserved it.

Amen!!

Bhatti ji and Tahir ji,

Greetings.

As you people are at the helm of affairs I congratulate you for finally realizing the vision of Islam or "surrender" on the ancient land of Sindh and Punjab.

AMy your beard grow to the appropriate length. May you succed in trying to speak and understand Arab. May you take to Arabic mannerisms. May you grow khajurs on your land and raise and breed the best stock of camels. May your tents be airy. May your 4 wives be good momeenas who serve you well and accept small time spankings with gratitide.

Finally, may all the hindus of Sind remain good Dhimmi slaves working in your factories and farmland without any protest.

The visit comes amid disquiet in US strategic circles about the rift between the military and its hard-line supporters and the civil society and peaceniks in Pakistan. There is growing unease in Washington that the military and its spy agency ISI, with their close ties to jihadis, still call the shots in Pakistan. The sudden release of nuclear smuggler AQ Khan, among other actions, has caused consternation in the US administration about whether the civilian government in Pakistan is in control of the situation.
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The mubai ecent has created a rift between the paki politicians and the army. The action in banning the laskers has been recented by the paki army. Another military take over is not very far, especially if teh us gives the money bypassing the army.

The march of this country to teh vision of TNt is unstoppable.

The swatt is finsihed, the nwfp is almost and now the jihadis are knocking on the gates of punjab. the looting from karachi is funding the jihadic march.

WARSAW: Poland promised Monday to issue international arrest warrants for Taliban militants after the apparent beheading of a Polish engineer in Pakistan, and officials charged that elements within the Pakistani government shared blame for the killing.
Pakistan's top diplomat in Poland firmly rejected the accusation that some members of the Islamabad government are sympathetic to Islamic extremists, saying his country is snarled in a bitter fight with terrorist groups that is killing many of its own.

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yet another country after isi and its support for the jihadis. It is unfathomable that even on chowk where there is so much of educated pakis, teh support for teh jihadis is so palpable, in the psots of romair, tahmed, urstruly, ylh etc. If that is teh case, total support by the isi is understandable.

This article provides the final proof why teh swat will be surrendered to teh jihadis. The educated one of pakistan are looking for action in swat to be justified by the book and clearly, the jihadis have all the explanations and most part of teh foot soldiers of pakia rmy are from madrassas, class mates of the jihadis.

The notion of action in swat was to enforce the copnstitution of pakistan, not the book. No wonder, the lawyesr of swat have agreed to work for sharia laws in swat.

The tragedy is that there are people, even indians on chowk, who believe that pakiland is another country like others. Pakiland is unique, it is the only country which is at least in some parts ruled by teh book, and the educated pakis support it.

Re: # 4

Thanks laddu for the post. I have been telling all along that mumbai is terror 101 by al quida. It is planned by alquida to attack the westa nd the jews and executed by the kashmir jihadis with ISI and paki army help,

Good to see that finally al quida is accepting responsibility and that also explains why the pakis will do nothing, it is an isi operation.

Tahir mian,

Are you implying that the Taliban of Pakistan and Afghanistan are not true Muslim mujahideens but Zionist-Mirzaee agents? That is a serious charge you know 'cos these people consider themselves to be the truest Muslims?

Regards

Re: # 7

Use your own head Pro-Humanist (born a month ago on ChowQ), why insult Truly!

Who do you think benefits by destroying mosques and schools, surely not TRUE Muslims whose history is not litterd with such mess?

You will know the answer soon.

Re: # 3
First, greetings of peace.

"There are two ahdith that are attributed to Holy prophet (pbuh) in this regards:

1. A corrupt and oppressive ruler is better than the anarchy in the state.
2. A Muslim is only allowed to raise sword against the Muslim state if that states forbids/hinders Muslims to offer prayers in groups and in person."

I understand what you're saying: accept lesser evil in order to keep greater evil away.

Well, if I were to pull out all the ayahs out of the Qur'an that exhort us to stand up against ALL evils, this would be a very long post.

Wrong (mainly 'shirk' related) ideas even from one's own father are worth opposing AND 'sunnah' action! The Ahadith (correct!?) must always be seen under the Qur'anic microscope. The germs imported from corrupted scriptures are many!

There are plenty of states that call themselves Islamic but are under Zionist control. Corruption (in body or spirit) at any level is NOT acceptable and needs to be rooted out. Individuals--not controllable Raiwindian armies--will achieve this in these 'monitored' times!

Our problem is: we have a corrupt elite (every country has that actaully) AND there's uncontrollable anarchy (sponsored by globalist Zionists AND supported by the blind elites)! What do we accept and what do we reject?

Regards.

PS: we don't have to fight over this!

Re: # 3
It is obvious, whenever anyone starts quoting the hadidh (in political matters, at least), he has lost his intellectual legitimacy and common sense.
Jinab Kibla Quasi-Jihadi Urstruly, you twisted reactionary types howl, scream and weep for the destruction of a single mosque, the Lal Masjid (that was more like a communal hair bath of violent hairy apes and their bolted goats) - but never have I heard you pea-brained men of conscience draw out a hadidh at the destruction of the hundreds of mosques and schools that have been rocketed, blown and turned into ruble by the very idiots you are always up at fajar to defend.
Come on then, let’s have some more of those obvious fabrications and literary abominations you guys so proudly call the “hadidh.�