Khalid Bhatti February 5, 2009
#6 Posted by krbhatti on February 9, 2009 9:32:35 pm
Urstruly,
Let us be clear on a few things:
The land is a state property and it is within the discretion of the state to utlize this land to built mosques or whatever. It does have the authority to destroy the mosques and built it somewhere else. Moreover, these moulvis were after mosques to grab lands and to appoint themselves at those mosques to get their Daal Roti, because nowadays moulvis do not have anything else to do and have made Islam as money making machine.
Moreover, Urstruly Mian, nowhere in Pakistan you are stopped from offering prayer. Next time I come to Pakistan, I can invite you to come with me and let us offer our Jumma prayer right in the middle of road on Mall Road, Lahore. No one will stop you and me, so this arguement of yours is frankly baseless.
Lal Masjid episode, however regrettable, was brought upon by the Mullah biradran themselves. They used violence and in return got the violence. So brother, please analyze the situation by being dispassionate. There is moral ground to what I say. Yes, we have a corrupt elite, and that include the Mullahs.
If these mullahs want to change the society, why don't they stand up in election and convince the people with Dawa'. Once elected they can change the law in whatever way they want to. But, let us agree that people do not trust them and reason is that they are just another bunch of duffers. Look at the father of fundamentalism in Pakistan, Moulana Fazloo, and see how corrupt he and his religious brigade is. Look how they took the lands from Mushy to support him in his rape of constitution.
Laddu,
You are just another saffronised version of Moulana Fazl Ullah. so, Shoooo..
Let us be clear on a few things:
The land is a state property and it is within the discretion of the state to utlize this land to built mosques or whatever. It does have the authority to destroy the mosques and built it somewhere else. Moreover, these moulvis were after mosques to grab lands and to appoint themselves at those mosques to get their Daal Roti, because nowadays moulvis do not have anything else to do and have made Islam as money making machine.
Moreover, Urstruly Mian, nowhere in Pakistan you are stopped from offering prayer. Next time I come to Pakistan, I can invite you to come with me and let us offer our Jumma prayer right in the middle of road on Mall Road, Lahore. No one will stop you and me, so this arguement of yours is frankly baseless.
Lal Masjid episode, however regrettable, was brought upon by the Mullah biradran themselves. They used violence and in return got the violence. So brother, please analyze the situation by being dispassionate. There is moral ground to what I say. Yes, we have a corrupt elite, and that include the Mullahs.
If these mullahs want to change the society, why don't they stand up in election and convince the people with Dawa'. Once elected they can change the law in whatever way they want to. But, let us agree that people do not trust them and reason is that they are just another bunch of duffers. Look at the father of fundamentalism in Pakistan, Moulana Fazloo, and see how corrupt he and his religious brigade is. Look how they took the lands from Mushy to support him in his rape of constitution.
Laddu,
You are just another saffronised version of Moulana Fazl Ullah. so, Shoooo..
#5 Posted by sunil7090 on February 9, 2009 9:15:02 pm
this eye for an eye attitude of urstruly is sickening ,finally everybody will be blind if everybody developes this attitude
#4 Posted by laddu on February 9, 2009 8:28:30 pm
The reality is that Paki Elites + ISI = Al Qaeda.......
that is why Al Qaeda is trying to protect Pakistan like the son tries to protect its mother!!
Al Qaeda has to be destroyed .......they are one and the same
Al-Qaida warns India of more Mumbai-style attacks
10 Feb 2009, 1039 hrs IST, PTI
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LONDON: A top al-Qaida commander, who was reported killed in a US drone strike last year, has appeared in a video warning India of more
Mumbai-style terror attacks if it tried to attack Pakistan.
"India should know that it will have to pay a heavy price if it attacks Pakistan," Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, believed to be al-Qaida's military commander in Afghanistan and ranked behind No 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri, said in a 20-minute video in Arabic received by BBC.
Yazid, who the Pakistani military said may have been killed in fighting last August in the Bajaur tribal region, said: "The Mujahideen will sunder your armies into the ground, like they did to the Russians in Afghanistan.
"They will target your economic centres and raze them to the ground."
Yazid denounced the ban on militant groups in Pakistan following the Mumbai attacks and asked the people of Pakistan to rise up and overthrow the government and President Asif Ali Zardari, the BBC reported.
The al-Qaida leader is said to have been involved in a number of terror attacks, including last year's Danish embassy bombings, in Pakistan and had claimed the responsibility of assassinating former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.
He was last heard in August 2008 when he confirmed the death of al-Qaida chemical-weapons expert Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar.
that is why Al Qaeda is trying to protect Pakistan like the son tries to protect its mother!!
Al Qaeda has to be destroyed .......they are one and the same
Al-Qaida warns India of more Mumbai-style attacks
10 Feb 2009, 1039 hrs IST, PTI
Print Email Discuss Share Save Comment Text:
LONDON: A top al-Qaida commander, who was reported killed in a US drone strike last year, has appeared in a video warning India of more
Mumbai-style terror attacks if it tried to attack Pakistan.
"India should know that it will have to pay a heavy price if it attacks Pakistan," Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, believed to be al-Qaida's military commander in Afghanistan and ranked behind No 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri, said in a 20-minute video in Arabic received by BBC.
Yazid, who the Pakistani military said may have been killed in fighting last August in the Bajaur tribal region, said: "The Mujahideen will sunder your armies into the ground, like they did to the Russians in Afghanistan.
"They will target your economic centres and raze them to the ground."
Yazid denounced the ban on militant groups in Pakistan following the Mumbai attacks and asked the people of Pakistan to rise up and overthrow the government and President Asif Ali Zardari, the BBC reported.
The al-Qaida leader is said to have been involved in a number of terror attacks, including last year's Danish embassy bombings, in Pakistan and had claimed the responsibility of assassinating former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.
He was last heard in August 2008 when he confirmed the death of al-Qaida chemical-weapons expert Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar.
#3 Posted by Urstruly on February 9, 2009 6:54:01 pm
There are two ahdith that are attributed to Holy prophet (pbuh) in this regards:
1. A corrupt and oppressive ruler is better than the anarchy in the state.
2. A Muslim is only allowed to raise sword against the Muslim state if that states forbids/hinders Muslims to offer prayers in groups and in person. (Its a long hadith, in question-answer form, which I do not have time to translate).
In case of Pakistan the second condition has been fulfilled. Just two years ago the corrupt ruling elite and their butcher of a frontman destroyed 8 mosques in Islamabad. Later, in Islamabad, 2000 school girls of an Islamic school were butchered mercilessly by them, along with the destruction of Lal Masjid. But that was not the end of it. The corrupt ruling elite in active compalcencey of enemies of Muslims bomb mosques and schools in regular basis using drones and airforce. In addition, the corrupt ruling elite and a vicious fouj has failed to protect citizens from foreign aggression, which they took oath to do. In other words, the corrupt ruling elite, foreign agents, and a haramkhor fouj are the one who gave people the first blood. They are the one who assissinated close to 200 top religious scholars in Pakistan. They are the one who have confined over 16,000 citizens illegally and they are subjecting Muslims to torture, rape, and terror in those torture cells. They have outsourced our country to torture Muslims from all over the world in Pakistan.
All of this could have been forgotten and forgiven but the murder of children is a crime for which there is no mercy.
Bhatti: you shouldn't have brought this angle into the equation. Because that will lgitimize everything and you won't have moral legs to stand on.
1. A corrupt and oppressive ruler is better than the anarchy in the state.
2. A Muslim is only allowed to raise sword against the Muslim state if that states forbids/hinders Muslims to offer prayers in groups and in person. (Its a long hadith, in question-answer form, which I do not have time to translate).
In case of Pakistan the second condition has been fulfilled. Just two years ago the corrupt ruling elite and their butcher of a frontman destroyed 8 mosques in Islamabad. Later, in Islamabad, 2000 school girls of an Islamic school were butchered mercilessly by them, along with the destruction of Lal Masjid. But that was not the end of it. The corrupt ruling elite in active compalcencey of enemies of Muslims bomb mosques and schools in regular basis using drones and airforce. In addition, the corrupt ruling elite and a vicious fouj has failed to protect citizens from foreign aggression, which they took oath to do. In other words, the corrupt ruling elite, foreign agents, and a haramkhor fouj are the one who gave people the first blood. They are the one who assissinated close to 200 top religious scholars in Pakistan. They are the one who have confined over 16,000 citizens illegally and they are subjecting Muslims to torture, rape, and terror in those torture cells. They have outsourced our country to torture Muslims from all over the world in Pakistan.
All of this could have been forgotten and forgiven but the murder of children is a crime for which there is no mercy.
Bhatti: you shouldn't have brought this angle into the equation. Because that will lgitimize everything and you won't have moral legs to stand on.
#2 Posted by Iamnew on February 9, 2009 5:47:02 pm
Bhatti,
I really wanna write something on this issue but I am totally bored with it too. So I will post when I see something new coming out of there.
I really wanna write something on this issue but I am totally bored with it too. So I will post when I see something new coming out of there.
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