In Search of Political Will: Fight Against Militants in Swat

Khalid bhai,

Longish but good article.

Bhatti,
I really wanna write something on this issue but I am totally bored with it too. So I will post when I see something new coming out of there.

There are two ahdith that are attributed to Holy prophet (pbuh) in this regards:

1. A corrupt and oppressive ruler is better than the anarchy in the state.

2. A Muslim is only allowed to raise sword against the Muslim state if that states forbids/hinders Muslims to offer prayers in groups and in person. (Its a long hadith, in question-answer form, which I do not have time to translate).

In case of Pakistan the second condition has been fulfilled. Just two years ago the corrupt ruling elite and their butcher of a frontman destroyed 8 mosques in Islamabad. Later, in Islamabad, 2000 school girls of an Islamic school were butchered mercilessly by them, along with the destruction of Lal Masjid. But that was not the end of it. The corrupt ruling elite in active compalcencey of enemies of Muslims bomb mosques and schools in regular basis using drones and airforce. In addition, the corrupt ruling elite and a vicious fouj has failed to protect citizens from foreign aggression, which they took oath to do. In other words, the corrupt ruling elite, foreign agents, and a haramkhor fouj are the one who gave people the first blood. They are the one who assissinated close to 200 top religious scholars in Pakistan. They are the one who have confined over 16,000 citizens illegally and they are subjecting Muslims to torture, rape, and terror in those torture cells. They have outsourced our country to torture Muslims from all over the world in Pakistan.

All of this could have been forgotten and forgiven but the murder of children is a crime for which there is no mercy.

Bhatti: you shouldn't have brought this angle into the equation. Because that will lgitimize everything and you won't have moral legs to stand on.

The reality is that Paki Elites + ISI = Al Qaeda.......

that is why Al Qaeda is trying to protect Pakistan like the son tries to protect its mother!!

Al Qaeda has to be destroyed .......they are one and the same


Al-Qaida warns India of more Mumbai-style attacks
10 Feb 2009, 1039 hrs IST, PTI
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LONDON: A top al-Qaida commander, who was reported killed in a US drone strike last year, has appeared in a video warning India of more
Mumbai-style terror attacks if it tried to attack Pakistan.

"India should know that it will have to pay a heavy price if it attacks Pakistan," Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, believed to be al-Qaida's military commander in Afghanistan and ranked behind No 2 Ayman al-Zawahiri, said in a 20-minute video in Arabic received by BBC.

Yazid, who the Pakistani military said may have been killed in fighting last August in the Bajaur tribal region, said: "The Mujahideen will sunder your armies into the ground, like they did to the Russians in Afghanistan.

"They will target your economic centres and raze them to the ground."

Yazid denounced the ban on militant groups in Pakistan following the Mumbai attacks and asked the people of Pakistan to rise up and overthrow the government and President Asif Ali Zardari, the BBC reported.

The al-Qaida leader is said to have been involved in a number of terror attacks, including last year's Danish embassy bombings, in Pakistan and had claimed the responsibility of assassinating former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.

He was last heard in August 2008 when he confirmed the death of al-Qaida chemical-weapons expert Midhat Mursi al-Sayid Umar.

this eye for an eye attitude of urstruly is sickening ,finally everybody will be blind if everybody developes this attitude

Urstruly,

Let us be clear on a few things:

The land is a state property and it is within the discretion of the state to utlize this land to built mosques or whatever. It does have the authority to destroy the mosques and built it somewhere else. Moreover, these moulvis were after mosques to grab lands and to appoint themselves at those mosques to get their Daal Roti, because nowadays moulvis do not have anything else to do and have made Islam as money making machine.

Moreover, Urstruly Mian, nowhere in Pakistan you are stopped from offering prayer. Next time I come to Pakistan, I can invite you to come with me and let us offer our Jumma prayer right in the middle of road on Mall Road, Lahore. No one will stop you and me, so this arguement of yours is frankly baseless.

Lal Masjid episode, however regrettable, was brought upon by the Mullah biradran themselves. They used violence and in return got the violence. So brother, please analyze the situation by being dispassionate. There is moral ground to what I say. Yes, we have a corrupt elite, and that include the Mullahs.

If these mullahs want to change the society, why don't they stand up in election and convince the people with Dawa'. Once elected they can change the law in whatever way they want to. But, let us agree that people do not trust them and reason is that they are just another bunch of duffers. Look at the father of fundamentalism in Pakistan, Moulana Fazloo, and see how corrupt he and his religious brigade is. Look how they took the lands from Mushy to support him in his rape of constitution.

Laddu,

You are just another saffronised version of Moulana Fazl Ullah. so, Shoooo..

Re: # 3
It is obvious, whenever anyone starts quoting the hadidh (in political matters, at least), he has lost his intellectual legitimacy and common sense.
Jinab Kibla Quasi-Jihadi Urstruly, you twisted reactionary types howl, scream and weep for the destruction of a single mosque, the Lal Masjid (that was more like a communal hair bath of violent hairy apes and their bolted goats) - but never have I heard you pea-brained men of conscience draw out a hadidh at the destruction of the hundreds of mosques and schools that have been rocketed, blown and turned into ruble by the very idiots you are always up at fajar to defend.
Come on then, let’s have some more of those obvious fabrications and literary abominations you guys so proudly call the “hadidh.�

Re: # 3
First, greetings of peace.

"There are two ahdith that are attributed to Holy prophet (pbuh) in this regards:

1. A corrupt and oppressive ruler is better than the anarchy in the state.
2. A Muslim is only allowed to raise sword against the Muslim state if that states forbids/hinders Muslims to offer prayers in groups and in person."

I understand what you're saying: accept lesser evil in order to keep greater evil away.

Well, if I were to pull out all the ayahs out of the Qur'an that exhort us to stand up against ALL evils, this would be a very long post.

Wrong (mainly 'shirk' related) ideas even from one's own father are worth opposing AND 'sunnah' action! The Ahadith (correct!?) must always be seen under the Qur'anic microscope. The germs imported from corrupted scriptures are many!

There are plenty of states that call themselves Islamic but are under Zionist control. Corruption (in body or spirit) at any level is NOT acceptable and needs to be rooted out. Individuals--not controllable Raiwindian armies--will achieve this in these 'monitored' times!

Our problem is: we have a corrupt elite (every country has that actaully) AND there's uncontrollable anarchy (sponsored by globalist Zionists AND supported by the blind elites)! What do we accept and what do we reject?

Regards.

PS: we don't have to fight over this!

Re: # 7

Use your own head Pro-Humanist (born a month ago on ChowQ), why insult Truly!

Who do you think benefits by destroying mosques and schools, surely not TRUE Muslims whose history is not litterd with such mess?

You will know the answer soon.

Tahir mian,

Are you implying that the Taliban of Pakistan and Afghanistan are not true Muslim mujahideens but Zionist-Mirzaee agents? That is a serious charge you know 'cos these people consider themselves to be the truest Muslims?

Regards

Re: # 4

Thanks laddu for the post. I have been telling all along that mumbai is terror 101 by al quida. It is planned by alquida to attack the westa nd the jews and executed by the kashmir jihadis with ISI and paki army help,

Good to see that finally al quida is accepting responsibility and that also explains why the pakis will do nothing, it is an isi operation.

This article provides the final proof why teh swat will be surrendered to teh jihadis. The educated one of pakistan are looking for action in swat to be justified by the book and clearly, the jihadis have all the explanations and most part of teh foot soldiers of pakia rmy are from madrassas, class mates of the jihadis.

The notion of action in swat was to enforce the copnstitution of pakistan, not the book. No wonder, the lawyesr of swat have agreed to work for sharia laws in swat.

The tragedy is that there are people, even indians on chowk, who believe that pakiland is another country like others. Pakiland is unique, it is the only country which is at least in some parts ruled by teh book, and the educated pakis support it.

WARSAW: Poland promised Monday to issue international arrest warrants for Taliban militants after the apparent beheading of a Polish engineer in Pakistan, and officials charged that elements within the Pakistani government shared blame for the killing.
Pakistan's top diplomat in Poland firmly rejected the accusation that some members of the Islamabad government are sympathetic to Islamic extremists, saying his country is snarled in a bitter fight with terrorist groups that is killing many of its own.

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yet another country after isi and its support for the jihadis. It is unfathomable that even on chowk where there is so much of educated pakis, teh support for teh jihadis is so palpable, in the psots of romair, tahmed, urstruly, ylh etc. If that is teh case, total support by the isi is understandable.

The visit comes amid disquiet in US strategic circles about the rift between the military and its hard-line supporters and the civil society and peaceniks in Pakistan. There is growing unease in Washington that the military and its spy agency ISI, with their close ties to jihadis, still call the shots in Pakistan. The sudden release of nuclear smuggler AQ Khan, among other actions, has caused consternation in the US administration about whether the civilian government in Pakistan is in control of the situation.
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The mubai ecent has created a rift between the paki politicians and the army. The action in banning the laskers has been recented by the paki army. Another military take over is not very far, especially if teh us gives the money bypassing the army.

The march of this country to teh vision of TNt is unstoppable.

The swatt is finsihed, the nwfp is almost and now the jihadis are knocking on the gates of punjab. the looting from karachi is funding the jihadic march.

Bhatti ji and Tahir ji,

Greetings.

As you people are at the helm of affairs I congratulate you for finally realizing the vision of Islam or "surrender" on the ancient land of Sindh and Punjab.

AMy your beard grow to the appropriate length. May you succed in trying to speak and understand Arab. May you take to Arabic mannerisms. May you grow khajurs on your land and raise and breed the best stock of camels. May your tents be airy. May your 4 wives be good momeenas who serve you well and accept small time spankings with gratitide.

Finally, may all the hindus of Sind remain good Dhimmi slaves working in your factories and farmland without any protest.

Amen!!