Beena Sarwar February 17, 2009
#432 Posted by dinx on February 22, 2009 5:37:10 pm
"Taliban Cloud Moves to Pakistan"
Apt title. The faithful in the land of the pure. The chicken have matured and returned to roost. The 'Dirty Kafir Club' is expanding.
Apt title. The faithful in the land of the pure. The chicken have matured and returned to roost. The 'Dirty Kafir Club' is expanding.
#431 Posted by dost_mittar on February 22, 2009 5:23:05 pm
tahmed32:
Further to my #429, if it makes you feel any better, many Hindus would also prefer sharia-lite, such as quick justice and harsh punishments for crimes compared to the lawlessness that prevails in India today.
Throughout muslim rule in India, the hindus never had a problem with most of the sharia laws, only against forced conversions and those laws that discriminated such as jaziya. And Punjabi hindus of previous generations would also have insisted on girls wearing dupatta in public and even not going out without accompanied by a male relative.
Further to my #429, if it makes you feel any better, many Hindus would also prefer sharia-lite, such as quick justice and harsh punishments for crimes compared to the lawlessness that prevails in India today.
Throughout muslim rule in India, the hindus never had a problem with most of the sharia laws, only against forced conversions and those laws that discriminated such as jaziya. And Punjabi hindus of previous generations would also have insisted on girls wearing dupatta in public and even not going out without accompanied by a male relative.
#430 Posted by nemesis3 on February 22, 2009 4:31:31 pm
#428 Posted by bittersweetmojo
"Yaar, you guys can't even provide basic necessities to your slumdogs, and here you talk like a General Alexander. Get real, man!"
Yaar, it is not just possible. Each slumdog is bent upon procreating day in and day out in order to create Allah's army. How many of them can you feed? Allah may be giving risq to holy pakis but why will he think of pagans?
"Yaar, you guys can't even provide basic necessities to your slumdogs, and here you talk like a General Alexander. Get real, man!"
Yaar, it is not just possible. Each slumdog is bent upon procreating day in and day out in order to create Allah's army. How many of them can you feed? Allah may be giving risq to holy pakis but why will he think of pagans?
#429 Posted by dost_mittar on February 22, 2009 4:14:21 pm
tahmed32:
Thank you Prof Ahmed for the failing grade.
No, I wasn't aware of Fazloo's participation but had read that the MMA had boycotted the election. Let me know if I was wrong. Since you talk about the BJP and India, it would be like the BJP boycotting the election but Ram Sena contesting and winning a seat somewhere.
Please tell me whether it was Zia or the elected govt. which introduced the Objectives Resolution? Was it Zia or the elected representatives that wrote the preamble to the Pakistani constitution (thanks pew for producing it here)? Was it Zia or the "man with the massive mandate" who wanted to become Amir-ul-Momineen?
My understanding of the meaning of Sharia is different: it is the path, a variation of the word "Shahrah", like Sharah-e-aam. It is not any state law but the laws enacted in accordance with the Quran and the Sunnah. For example, under state laws, you can ban polygamy but not under sharia.
And no, I am not a supporter of the taleban. I certainly wouldn't like to live in a place where my daughters cannot go to school or I cannot shave my beard. But Pakistanis have every right to be governed by sharia if they so want, it is none of my business as an outsider to tell them what kind of government they want.
BTW, both you and hamidm misread Shankar's post. He did not agree with the "urchin" arjun but with Jay.
Thank you Prof Ahmed for the failing grade.
No, I wasn't aware of Fazloo's participation but had read that the MMA had boycotted the election. Let me know if I was wrong. Since you talk about the BJP and India, it would be like the BJP boycotting the election but Ram Sena contesting and winning a seat somewhere.
Please tell me whether it was Zia or the elected govt. which introduced the Objectives Resolution? Was it Zia or the elected representatives that wrote the preamble to the Pakistani constitution (thanks pew for producing it here)? Was it Zia or the "man with the massive mandate" who wanted to become Amir-ul-Momineen?
My understanding of the meaning of Sharia is different: it is the path, a variation of the word "Shahrah", like Sharah-e-aam. It is not any state law but the laws enacted in accordance with the Quran and the Sunnah. For example, under state laws, you can ban polygamy but not under sharia.
And no, I am not a supporter of the taleban. I certainly wouldn't like to live in a place where my daughters cannot go to school or I cannot shave my beard. But Pakistanis have every right to be governed by sharia if they so want, it is none of my business as an outsider to tell them what kind of government they want.
BTW, both you and hamidm misread Shankar's post. He did not agree with the "urchin" arjun but with Jay.
#428 Posted by bittersweetmojo on February 22, 2009 1:18:57 pm
Re: # 397
Krishna,
"India is fully capable of erasing Pakiland AND Afganistan off the face of the map."
Oh really? How so?
btw, when was the last time your mama gave you toxic to keep your senses right?
"If we wanted, with our 1 billion+ people, we could just keep marching and eradicating all that came in our way."
Your slumdogs never had a pair of legs which could have the strenght of marching an inch, my boy! They are stuck in their dumb poor life, under the banner of Shining India.
Krishna, you sound like those Hindi movies, in which Sunny Deol says: "If we Indians pee together, Pakistan will be over like a sinking ship."
Yaar, you guys can't even provide basic necessities to your slumdogs, and here you talk like a General Alexander. Get real, man!
-E
Krishna,
"India is fully capable of erasing Pakiland AND Afganistan off the face of the map."
Oh really? How so?
btw, when was the last time your mama gave you toxic to keep your senses right?
"If we wanted, with our 1 billion+ people, we could just keep marching and eradicating all that came in our way."
Your slumdogs never had a pair of legs which could have the strenght of marching an inch, my boy! They are stuck in their dumb poor life, under the banner of Shining India.
Krishna, you sound like those Hindi movies, in which Sunny Deol says: "If we Indians pee together, Pakistan will be over like a sinking ship."
Yaar, you guys can't even provide basic necessities to your slumdogs, and here you talk like a General Alexander. Get real, man!
-E
#426 Posted by anil on February 22, 2009 12:38:21 pm
You must have read earlier and distorted what I wrote about Swat. It is a Pakistani experiment to create divisions among talibanists. Nato and America are no longer knocking at the door, they are inside, and would only leave when a Chaotic Buffer has been created with infighting among tribes.
Please learn something, there is a lot to learn outside the sewer, even for sewer pipe inspector.
Please learn something, there is a lot to learn outside the sewer, even for sewer pipe inspector.
#425 Posted by anil on February 22, 2009 12:34:40 pm
You threaten me to keep away from "your posts", but you cannot resist yourself from my post. You are so elite in your thinking, that you have stripped yourself of dignity of labor. Please get real talk, and don't deflect the issue, O' fake champion. Poverty is all over to be lived, have you ever tried to work in those slums with slum dog. I have. Please keep your "updesh" (preaching) to yourself.
#424 Posted by anil on February 22, 2009 12:30:21 pm
Masadi sahib:
One great leap of faith in yourself, you certainly make with the artcile that shows Kashmir is not the highest priority. Something else inside Pakistan is more important, even more than what is going on at its western border. Do you know what is it?
Sooner or later two sides will come out, and knowing your hatred of American, and penchant to quote American press, you would choose the different side.
One great leap of faith in yourself, you certainly make with the artcile that shows Kashmir is not the highest priority. Something else inside Pakistan is more important, even more than what is going on at its western border. Do you know what is it?
Sooner or later two sides will come out, and knowing your hatred of American, and penchant to quote American press, you would choose the different side.
#423 Posted by masadi on February 22, 2009 12:22:43 pm
Anil, keep away from my posts unless you want to be further humiliated through your lack of comprehension of what is going on in the world, as is the hallmark of all HBS graduates....
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#422 Posted by masadi on February 22, 2009 12:21:38 pm
Anil writes "Hamidm sahib:
Have you seen the 14 minute documentary on Swat Valley in today's New York Times web-site?
So that is what you want to do to "my" Kashmir Valley, "my" Kashmiri people also?"
I am sure Hamid sahib does not want to do to them what is being done to the millions strong homeless folk in Bombay and the lack of sanitation, railroad squatters. Swat is a U.S. experiment in social reconstruction using the Pakistan Army generals, not Pakistan's doing, because those generals do not represent Pakistan.
What kind of pathetic argument was this, jamadar?
TNITC masadi
Have you seen the 14 minute documentary on Swat Valley in today's New York Times web-site?
So that is what you want to do to "my" Kashmir Valley, "my" Kashmiri people also?"
I am sure Hamid sahib does not want to do to them what is being done to the millions strong homeless folk in Bombay and the lack of sanitation, railroad squatters. Swat is a U.S. experiment in social reconstruction using the Pakistan Army generals, not Pakistan's doing, because those generals do not represent Pakistan.
What kind of pathetic argument was this, jamadar?
TNITC masadi
#421 Posted by masadi on February 22, 2009 11:52:46 am
Have a nice day and know that with every manipulation those sobs create openings for change and they will fail and so will tahmed.....
TNITC masadi
TNITC masadi
#420 Posted by masadi on February 22, 2009 11:51:43 am
Here is the context of U.S. terrorism first in Pakistan and then in Bombay, fits in perfectly with my claim that the U.S. turned against their peon Musharraf because he was trying to be too independent, and as they did so did tahmed, and the entire Judges fiasco was created by the U.S. using the Pakistan Army
Secret India-Pakistan Talks Cited
Journalist's Account Says Three-Year Kashmir Initiative Failed
By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 22, 2009; Page A13
India and Pakistan engaged in nearly three years of secret, high-level talks that narrowly missed achieving a historic breakthrough in the countries' decades-old conflict over Kashmir, according to an account set for publication today.
The negotiations, which began in 2004, produced the outlines of an accord that would have allowed a gradual demilitarization of the disputed Himalayan province, a flash point in relations between the rivals since 1947. The effort stalled in 2007, and the prospects for a settlement were further undermined by deadly terrorist attacks on Mumbai in November, the report said.
The peace initiative is described in an article by investigative journalist Steve Coll, who writes in New Yorker magazine that the two sides had "come to semicolons" in their negotiations when the effort lost steam.
The attempt ultimately failed, not because of substantive differences, Coll writes, but because declining political fortunes left Pakistan's then-president, Pervez Musharraf, without the clout he needed to sell the agreement at home. Although Musharraf fought for the deal -- as did Indian leader Manmohan Singh -- he became so weakened politically that he "couldn't sell himself," let alone a surprise peace deal with Pakistan's longtime rival, Coll says, quoting senior Pakistani and Indian officials. Musharraf resigned as president in August.
Secret India-Pakistan Talks Cited
Journalist's Account Says Three-Year Kashmir Initiative Failed
By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 22, 2009; Page A13
India and Pakistan engaged in nearly three years of secret, high-level talks that narrowly missed achieving a historic breakthrough in the countries' decades-old conflict over Kashmir, according to an account set for publication today.
The negotiations, which began in 2004, produced the outlines of an accord that would have allowed a gradual demilitarization of the disputed Himalayan province, a flash point in relations between the rivals since 1947. The effort stalled in 2007, and the prospects for a settlement were further undermined by deadly terrorist attacks on Mumbai in November, the report said.
The peace initiative is described in an article by investigative journalist Steve Coll, who writes in New Yorker magazine that the two sides had "come to semicolons" in their negotiations when the effort lost steam.
The attempt ultimately failed, not because of substantive differences, Coll writes, but because declining political fortunes left Pakistan's then-president, Pervez Musharraf, without the clout he needed to sell the agreement at home. Although Musharraf fought for the deal -- as did Indian leader Manmohan Singh -- he became so weakened politically that he "couldn't sell himself," let alone a surprise peace deal with Pakistan's longtime rival, Coll says, quoting senior Pakistani and Indian officials. Musharraf resigned as president in August.
#419 Posted by tahmed32 on February 22, 2009 11:50:17 am
urstruly: the "social elites" of Pakistan got rid of musharraf. while lota mullahs on the one hand were eating the crumbs from his table. and while your terrorist mullahs were growing roots in pakistan under his patronage. and the mqm thugs were killing these "social elites" in order to keep their ethnic bhayya in place. but dont let me spoil your rants with mere facts.
#418 Posted by tahmed32 on February 22, 2009 11:44:49 am
bhairav the less-stupid-than-us-stupid-pakis: you forget one minor thing - indian bengalis!! aapnee kaimon aaschay?? bhallow??!!
#417 Posted by bhairav on February 22, 2009 11:19:40 am
Continuing from # 400
Indians are right behind Pakistan in stupidity. While trying to help East Pakistan secede from West Pakistan, it let millions of Muslim Bengalis into India especially West Bengal and Assam and some into Bihar. Now border districts of W. Bengal & Assam are pretty much extended Bangladesh. I read somewhere that a Bangladeshi minister/leader (don’t know exact title) was proposing “lebensraum� (german for living space which Hitler asked for before attacking czechoslovakia) for the exploding population of Bangladesh. Biharis, for all their faults, are quite capable of dealing with Bangladeshis. Assamese also know how to take of Bangladeshis and will do something in due course of time like the Burmese do periodically to their Muslim Rohingaya. West Bengali Hindus, on the other hand, are useless, do-nothing, commie people and pretty soon waste bengal will banega Bangladesh unless Biharis save their ass.
Same Indian stupidity could be seen in Sri Lanka when India trained the LTTE. It was only the small sliver of water, palk strait, separating India and Sri Lanka which allowed India to wash its hands off Lanka without serious damage to itself tho Lanka was in a serious mess.
Indians are right behind Pakistan in stupidity. While trying to help East Pakistan secede from West Pakistan, it let millions of Muslim Bengalis into India especially West Bengal and Assam and some into Bihar. Now border districts of W. Bengal & Assam are pretty much extended Bangladesh. I read somewhere that a Bangladeshi minister/leader (don’t know exact title) was proposing “lebensraum� (german for living space which Hitler asked for before attacking czechoslovakia) for the exploding population of Bangladesh. Biharis, for all their faults, are quite capable of dealing with Bangladeshis. Assamese also know how to take of Bangladeshis and will do something in due course of time like the Burmese do periodically to their Muslim Rohingaya. West Bengali Hindus, on the other hand, are useless, do-nothing, commie people and pretty soon waste bengal will banega Bangladesh unless Biharis save their ass.
Same Indian stupidity could be seen in Sri Lanka when India trained the LTTE. It was only the small sliver of water, palk strait, separating India and Sri Lanka which allowed India to wash its hands off Lanka without serious damage to itself tho Lanka was in a serious mess.
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