Taliban Cloud Moves to Pakistan

Re: # 359
Mr. Shankar (since 1999?),

"For once in my life,I agree with jay. Arjun, you have crossed the line. To insult a religion like that is inexcusable."

And then the whole world asks, "What's the Danish cartoon issue"! The issue is that too many sick minds these days pose as sages, and the assault on religion is pre-meditated and very organized.

To utter something silly once or twice may be considered normal but to persist in abuse shows the disturbed thought-pattern of the perpetrator.

I'm not done with Arjun yet because lunatics like him ruin it all for others.

Shanti.

Re 372: Very good article by Udayan.

Quickly, what is the solution?

Anglophied Baki Darbari Gandus will try to extract more mula from unkill and rest of west by promising good fight against Taliban. We need to educate them about this chicanery. Unkill might be concerned more about next quarterly results and avoiding looming depression. It's India who needs to fight for its civilizational well-being.

Indians are slowly turning into Teleban with shows on Sharukh Khan's undy. First they need to be woken up.

Open up satellite IITs, IIMs, AIMSs in Herat, Kabul and even Kandahar. To protect them send 200K steel boots on the ground. Start war to get complete Kashmir and northern area to get secure acces to Afghanistan.

Poor Abdul needs to be treated with compassion and care so that ... Real enemy of civilizational India is Darbari Gandu. If necessary do not hesitate to nuke them in Pindi and I'bad.

Re: # 372 krishna...I already said that these guys were capable of removing the smug smirks from your faces but all your countrymen got upset about it and wouldn't agree...now here it is right from the horse's mouth!

Re: # 373

goldfinger mian,

.... let's not cut off our nose to spite our face ..... even though i do not like cross border cricket and tourism, i am all for 'smuggling' indian medicines, beef, tires and bollywood movies ........ it wil save us a lot of foreign exchange and it will also calm down the taliban once they see moslem lads having their way with infidel girls in bollywood .....

Re: # 354

Now that the tide is turning in truth's favour, here's the Hindi translation of what I wrote earlier (for all to read):

If you like you can be whatever you want, but do you fancy seeing the Muslim holy book in a flush?

Ask your friends here if they apologize for their ugly gestures, and promise not to repeat such mistakes again, all will be forgiven. [new line: They can board my Samjhota Express without attempting to derail it]

The Taliban are not my role model, how could you think that way? Most of such people don't know what God wants because they don't know the meanings (or the deeper significance) of the Arabic text. I have spent considerable time deciphering things. God knows who is better.

शांति
PS: Phew!! Hindi is not easy to type!

#375 Posted by tahir

Oh, I see. You typed J..E..E!!

Good effort.

#373 Posted by Goldfinger

"...that stuff you manufacture there is heaps of garbage...might as well not do it"

May God help you out of this parannoia

Re: # 372

krishna mian,

.... aap key mun mein ghee shakar! ... it really warms the cockles of my heart to see the horrible hindoos running scared! ..... i have always maintained that india is an artificial state created by the british and should be returned to its rightful owners, the taliban who are the descendents of mahmud ghazni, ghauri and babar ........ however, as everyone knows, babar despised india and indians; so it might be tough to get the taliban to leave the pristine air of swat to go down to the hell hole of delhi .......

Arjun,

Your post about muslim's holy book in toilet is uncalled for and does not lead to any civil discussion. I agree with all the posters who criticise your behavior and intent.
Adios

Re: # 355
Nem,

क�या आप अपने म�ंशी-जेईई?
Are you his munshi-jee?

Re: # 369
tahmed...I don't think you should worry too much about arjun...he's just doing his job as an employee probably of some clandestine Hindutva organisation...his mission (mantra) is to keep uttering Paki Paki and trying to act tough...imagine what sort of a person would drop a book (any book) into toilet and take a picture of it? And these johnnies here are saying that they have the world's best education!

Re: # 358 I knew exactly what you were going to say...that is why i asked...but i'm sorry to burst your bubble...that stuff you manufacture there is heaps of garbage...might as well not do it...btw did you know that jet fighters too are being manufactured in Pak under the name of JF 17 Thunder...pretty good stuff they say...

As for being so mad at Paki education...careful now...you don't want this anger to give you bothersome haemorrhoids in later life.
Just take it easy.

Five hours’ drive to doom

Udayan Namboodiri

Taliban country is not just a politico-geographic space, but an organism moving fast to overwhelm India with terror, infiltration and economic ruin

The first sign that America's war against terrorism was going terribly wrong came soon after the fall of Kabul, in November 2001. Pakistan, never comfortable with the idea of losing its strategic depth, began pushing irregulars over the border into Afghanistan for hit and run operations. I was then covering foreign affairs for a national daily and reported the developments first. To cut a long story short, the news was met with disbelief.

Much the same reaction was seen after the news hit the world that the democratically elected government of Pakistan had practically signed away the Swat Valley to a bunch of people who were aptly described by US special envoy Richard Holbrooke as "murderers and thugs". On the following day, as if shake everybody into realising that it wasn’t just a bad dream, the Talib shot dead a Pakistani TV reporter in Matta town.

Today, to the world outside Pakistan, the situation is something like the elephant and the five blind men. Some people see it as a return of the era of gendercide, the targeted attack of women's basic human rights; others believe it is the beginning of the atomisation of Pakistan, proof enough of the basic hollowness of the very concept of a Pakistani nation. Yet others are spared no sleep by the vision of Pakistan's nuclear assets being controlled by unlettered fanatics who know only to kill. The variegated responses betray the specific concerns that the authors of each have about the Taliban. Saturday Special therefore features two eminent experts on the region, M. Rama Rao (Main Article) and Kanchan Lakshman (The Other Voice)

Pakistan had signed peace deals with fundamentalist forces after suffering losses in armed combat. Only last May the Islamabad establishment agreed to a gradual pull-out of troops from the Swat. But nobody had expected this. However, like all disasters, this too had been predicted. History, after all, is nothing put a pile-up of human bungles. The cynic in me says 'the fun has only begun'; but the deeper concern felt by all right-thinking people in India was best articulated by Arun Jaitley, the senior BJP' leader: "Taliban is now only a five -hour drive from India".

For those of us who have followed the US' war on terrorism almost on a daily basis, February 17 marked the end of Phase 1. It began with Richard Armitage summoning the head of Pakistani military intelligence, who happened to be in Washington at the time of 9/11, and threatening to bomb his country back to the stone age if it did not comply with America's orders. Eight years and five months later, Pakistan has indeed gone into the womb posture . American 'Drone' aircraft are bombing Pakistani villages in the north-west and killing Pakistani civilisans as so much 'collateral damages'. These things are déjà vu now. By the way, Afghanistan, whose salvation was the raison de etre, is already in the Paleolithic age. Some people like to call it a 'failed state', but quickly add that it’s only a metaphor.

What happened to India during Phase 1? Well, India too was singed. Terrorism continued unabated, but the world's largest democracy did quite well in macro-economic terms at least. Now, that Phase 2 has begun, expect more than just sparks from the fire that is raging next door. It doesn't take a doomsdayer to predict the following:

1. Expect more terrorism, this time with a focus on India's power grids, dams and railways. These are everyday things to us Indians, but the Pakistanis hate us for owning these things.

2. Expect refugees on the streets: As a small boy in 1971, I saw Pakistanis fighting each other for Indian aid khichuri in an open-air 'camp' in a marsh outside Calcutta which is today known as Salt Lake city. Of course, a war happened that December and those refugees became Bangladeshis. I get an eerie feeling that it won't be long before a civil war breaks out Punjab Pakistan leading to a skedaddle of unprecedented proportions. The Taliban will certainly not be complacent with just the north-west.

3. Expect population explosion in India: The United Nations anyway expects Pakistan to become the world's third most populous country by 2040. Without much of an economy to support them, and the Taliban exacerbating their misery, millions of Pakistanis would be forced to infiltrate into India. These would be the new infiltrators, because by then today's Bangladeshi illegal squatters would become legitimate citizens.

Resultantly, we would see the western slice of India afflicted with the same problem that devils the east and north-east now. India's own population would by then touch the 1.5 billion mark. Add to that the hundreds of millions from Pakistan who would elude Census officials by being forever on the move.

4. Expect big power rivalry in South Asia Major: The United States had invested heavily into diplomacy with the Central Asian republics in the hope that it would get bases from where it could keep its troops in Afghanistan supplied with material. Since 2001, Pakistan provided not only Karachi port, but also overland transportation rights to American military supplies. But the arrangement began to wobble after the growth of militancy in the north-west. The urgency for an alternative base or some bases in central Asia was enhanced when Taliban forces began attacking American convoys passing through the Khyber. American guns, ammunition, uniforms, food, vehicles, even United Nations humanitarian material began to fall into Taliban hands.

However, Russia, the regional big brother and former boss of the commissars who rule in Bishkek, Tashkent, etc. ,had no intention of facilitating a resolution to America’s problem. So, Moscow began investing double into diplomacy to ensure that America is denied these bases. On Thursday came the news that Krgystan has decided not to renew its lease for the Manas air field.

This was met with shattering shock in western capitals, even though London's Independent had predicted it only last month through a news story that said Moscow was paying Central Asian governments up to $ 2 billion for each denied air base. Interestingly, all this, including the Swat Valley deal, happened in the very week that Russian observed the 20th anniversary of the pullout of the Red Army from Afghanistan. The ironies of history can sometimes resemble sick jokes.

Unless India reshapes its foreign policy to adopt a more proactive one, our hapless citizens would be left holding the baby. All the strategic economic decisions being taken and implemented right now would become meaningless when India becomes indistinguishable from the larger South Asian mess.

The problem with the Congress party's foreign affairs think tankers –– who, given the present political outlook seem certain to dominate for at least five more years –– is that too often day-dreamers take the upper hand. The crisis that afflicts Pakistan today should not be seen as just an internal affair of Pakistan. India must recognise that the Talibanisation of Pakistan is already happening and once Islamabad itself is headed by a mullah, the very existence of India will be threatened.

-- The writer is Senior Editor, The Pioneer

#355 Posted by tahir

" क�या आप अपने म�ंशी-जेईई? "

tahir mian,

It is getting difficult for me. I think it is hindi plus something.

Can't we revert to English?

Re: # 369

tahmed,

.... what bothers me about people like urchin, nemesis, guru, pinku, laddu, jayp, pepe and the cast of a hundred horrible hindoos is that they make our urstruly and mad masadi look like intellectual giants and pussified pacifists! .....

hamidm: while urchin is no doubt very angry, i dont think he qualifies for a young man anymore at least. he has been parrotting his "paki! paki!" song for 10 years on chowk. But the mind is that of a sea-urchin, perhaps. (no offense to sea-urchins, of course).