Pubs, Liquor Shops and Women Empowerment
Rohan Dharesh February 18, 2009
#118 Posted by ROHAND on February 28, 2009 8:50:44 pm
Re: # 71
Assault is assault. There are no excuses whatsoever! If you defend the women assaulting men saying that they defended their families, the Muthalik gang would say that they defended the society and that they would carry out such operations everywhere. So, you are having double standards on assault. Secondly, if women have been illtreated historically, so have the men been in their own way except that society does not recognise the pain and rights of men as the very foundation and structure of society is built to protect and provide women. Society was created for women as they were the physically weaker sex and more vulnerable. So, the pain of men is not understandable by society even though society has changed. Its no justification to assault men. Nor can you deny the sufferings of men. Your notions of 'Fact' as you claim are based on media reports which are totally feminist and the silent frustration of men is not taken into account. Infact, men like you don't even know that you are discriminated and live in the false world of male domination. About Parthaab, I can say that he learnt his lessons the hard way. Its time for you take similar lessons - the hard way. Unless guys like you are not made to suffer the consequences of feminism and severely, you will continue to chew the bone of male domination and keep enjoying, while the women loot the men!
Assault is assault. There are no excuses whatsoever! If you defend the women assaulting men saying that they defended their families, the Muthalik gang would say that they defended the society and that they would carry out such operations everywhere. So, you are having double standards on assault. Secondly, if women have been illtreated historically, so have the men been in their own way except that society does not recognise the pain and rights of men as the very foundation and structure of society is built to protect and provide women. Society was created for women as they were the physically weaker sex and more vulnerable. So, the pain of men is not understandable by society even though society has changed. Its no justification to assault men. Nor can you deny the sufferings of men. Your notions of 'Fact' as you claim are based on media reports which are totally feminist and the silent frustration of men is not taken into account. Infact, men like you don't even know that you are discriminated and live in the false world of male domination. About Parthaab, I can say that he learnt his lessons the hard way. Its time for you take similar lessons - the hard way. Unless guys like you are not made to suffer the consequences of feminism and severely, you will continue to chew the bone of male domination and keep enjoying, while the women loot the men!
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#117 Posted by ROHAND on February 28, 2009 8:26:48 pm
Re: # 73
Who told you that women were weaker? They are physically weaker but they are much much more powerful than men. They know how to manipulate men, as they are doing with you. Preferential treatment to women is an insult to men because its basic assumption is outrageous and does not recognise the natural and social disadvantages that men face. Men have to be bread winners in society, they have no option. Given that, what logic is there to give preferential treatment to women? Physical weakness is a boon for women; a curse for men. Physical weakness is just one aspect of life. There are other forms of strengths - intuition, manipulative ability, sexual power - and on all these women score over men. They know how to control the physically stronger men with these powers. A strong man is on his knees when he meets a lady with a sexy figure.
Who told you that women were weaker? They are physically weaker but they are much much more powerful than men. They know how to manipulate men, as they are doing with you. Preferential treatment to women is an insult to men because its basic assumption is outrageous and does not recognise the natural and social disadvantages that men face. Men have to be bread winners in society, they have no option. Given that, what logic is there to give preferential treatment to women? Physical weakness is a boon for women; a curse for men. Physical weakness is just one aspect of life. There are other forms of strengths - intuition, manipulative ability, sexual power - and on all these women score over men. They know how to control the physically stronger men with these powers. A strong man is on his knees when he meets a lady with a sexy figure.
#115 Posted by ROHAND on February 28, 2009 8:19:11 pm
Re: # 76
You seem to defend women beating men with chappals. So, my simple question to you is, is it okay for men to beat women with chappals? Instead of giving a direct answer, you are giving some round about notions. I am not interested in knowing whether men do it or not, or whether women do it or not. Since you defend women beating men, I want to know whether your logic applies the other way round. Answer that. I am not interested in Islam or Hinduism. Lastly, about girls from north India, I have heard that the PUB had them and that was the reason why these girls didn't come forward to report because of the fear of their parents. Its nothing to do with region. Its a coincidence.
You seem to defend women beating men with chappals. So, my simple question to you is, is it okay for men to beat women with chappals? Instead of giving a direct answer, you are giving some round about notions. I am not interested in knowing whether men do it or not, or whether women do it or not. Since you defend women beating men, I want to know whether your logic applies the other way round. Answer that. I am not interested in Islam or Hinduism. Lastly, about girls from north India, I have heard that the PUB had them and that was the reason why these girls didn't come forward to report because of the fear of their parents. Its nothing to do with region. Its a coincidence.
#114 Posted by ROHAND on February 28, 2009 8:06:27 pm
Re: # 81
Nobody is justifying assault on women. But since this incident like all other similar incidents are taking a turn against men and making it a man-hating thing, I had to show case the other side to you guys to let you know that women cause enormous problems to men too. Otherwise, guys being dumb as they are, will believe the feminist story at their own cost. Men being the weaker sex for his weakness for the weaker sex, these incidents have an effect on justice for men and men's rights. Similarly, when women assault men, it does not get the same attention as the other way around. Its called equality. My foot!
Nobody is justifying assault on women. But since this incident like all other similar incidents are taking a turn against men and making it a man-hating thing, I had to show case the other side to you guys to let you know that women cause enormous problems to men too. Otherwise, guys being dumb as they are, will believe the feminist story at their own cost. Men being the weaker sex for his weakness for the weaker sex, these incidents have an effect on justice for men and men's rights. Similarly, when women assault men, it does not get the same attention as the other way around. Its called equality. My foot!
#113 Posted by ROHAND on February 28, 2009 8:01:18 pm
Re: # 81
Yes. Nor does it justify women misusing the laws. Feminism is itself not justified.
Yes. Nor does it justify women misusing the laws. Feminism is itself not justified.
#112 Posted by ROHAND on February 28, 2009 7:57:53 pm
Re: # 82
How do you know that the girls in the bar had no responsibility to support their families? They are educated human beings. Its an equal society and women have the same rights and responsibilities as men. If the men at the aahata had not done their duties, it is none of the business of women to assault them. They have no right to do so. There cannot be double standards for assault - whatever the reason may be. There are other ways to recourse.
How do you know that the girls in the bar had no responsibility to support their families? They are educated human beings. Its an equal society and women have the same rights and responsibilities as men. If the men at the aahata had not done their duties, it is none of the business of women to assault them. They have no right to do so. There cannot be double standards for assault - whatever the reason may be. There are other ways to recourse.
#111 Posted by ROHAND on February 28, 2009 7:54:35 pm
Re: # 82
bjkumar,
An assault is an assault - whether by a family member or a stranger. Domestic violence is a crime world over. So, there is a definate comparison because the two have violent acts in them. Lastly, the goons assaulted both men and women; not just women. Get your facts right. whether the goons assaulted for women speaking with muslim men or for drinking or whatever, the fact is that they assaulted. Assault is a crime - whether domestic or otherwise.
bjkumar,
An assault is an assault - whether by a family member or a stranger. Domestic violence is a crime world over. So, there is a definate comparison because the two have violent acts in them. Lastly, the goons assaulted both men and women; not just women. Get your facts right. whether the goons assaulted for women speaking with muslim men or for drinking or whatever, the fact is that they assaulted. Assault is a crime - whether domestic or otherwise.
#110 Posted by ROHAND on February 28, 2009 7:42:00 pm
Re: # 89
You are so protective about your sister. Can you be as protective about your brother too? What should men do when women attack them? What should men do when women misuse the laws such as IPC 498A and DV act? Can you please answer that...
You are so protective about your sister. Can you be as protective about your brother too? What should men do when women attack them? What should men do when women misuse the laws such as IPC 498A and DV act? Can you please answer that...
#108 Posted by nkg on February 22, 2009 9:08:18 pm
Re: # 104
BJ2...
" ...when we...."
when some people swear more by 7th century beduin than this 3000 years old civilisation, you can not make them feel at home whatever way you want...tribals receivs worst deal from GoI....they don't feel alienated and want to form new country...
Britian, for long time, for the sake of integrating muslas into mainstream, tried to pamper Paki/Mirpuri muslas living in UK....Robin Cook (now Miliband) tried to raise Kashmir issue saveral time...but has that stopped muslas from carrying out islamic crime in Britain? No...the more you pamper the devil, the more trouble you bring for yourself...
BJ2...
" ...when we...."
when some people swear more by 7th century beduin than this 3000 years old civilisation, you can not make them feel at home whatever way you want...tribals receivs worst deal from GoI....they don't feel alienated and want to form new country...
Britian, for long time, for the sake of integrating muslas into mainstream, tried to pamper Paki/Mirpuri muslas living in UK....Robin Cook (now Miliband) tried to raise Kashmir issue saveral time...but has that stopped muslas from carrying out islamic crime in Britain? No...the more you pamper the devil, the more trouble you bring for yourself...
#107 Posted by Eklavya on February 22, 2009 7:01:55 pm
"Mutalik and his gang is auctioning the pink "chaddi"s they have received from Liberationalists and is planning to use that money to educate dalit girls... "
In that case, HEI boys are going to first kidnap and beat up Mutalik for resorting to violence, and then declare him an honorary member of HEI and call him a hero for doing good work.
In our view, we can talk to and control Mutalik, but we cannot talk to or control those who promote mass pubbing and whoring as societal ideal.
After all, we are Hindu Extremist International.
In that case, HEI boys are going to first kidnap and beat up Mutalik for resorting to violence, and then declare him an honorary member of HEI and call him a hero for doing good work.
In our view, we can talk to and control Mutalik, but we cannot talk to or control those who promote mass pubbing and whoring as societal ideal.
After all, we are Hindu Extremist International.
#106 Posted by nkg on February 22, 2009 6:50:56 pm
Re: # 104
BJ..
In cow belt, earstwhile caste system is converted into feudal hierarchy...I have not seen that in West Bengal...THE PROBLEM of COW BELT is not INHERENTLY problem of WHOLE INDIA.....
" nobody...."
History says, these "nobody"s are majority in musla world and that way earstwhile civilisations descended into chaos (Egypt, Persia, current day Pakistan) under influence of Islam....
Ekal...
One funny news...
Mutalik and his gang is auctioning the pink "chaddi"s they have received from Liberationalists and is planning to use that money to educate dalit girls...
BJ..
In cow belt, earstwhile caste system is converted into feudal hierarchy...I have not seen that in West Bengal...THE PROBLEM of COW BELT is not INHERENTLY problem of WHOLE INDIA.....
" nobody...."
History says, these "nobody"s are majority in musla world and that way earstwhile civilisations descended into chaos (Egypt, Persia, current day Pakistan) under influence of Islam....
Ekal...
One funny news...
Mutalik and his gang is auctioning the pink "chaddi"s they have received from Liberationalists and is planning to use that money to educate dalit girls...
#105 Posted by Eklavya on February 22, 2009 6:38:16 pm
The following is the statement just put out by HEI - Hindu Extremist International:
Women have as much 'right' to go to pubs, sleep inside or outside of marriage, before and after, as they please, or not. Any effort to force them violently one way or the other is against the principles of Hindu Extremism, and must be opposed, forcefully if needed.
Hindu Extremists also do not celebrate mass pubbing and mass whoring (irrespective of gender) and believe that if the society has to celebrate these acts, it may be there tomorrow, but it is not there yet. As such all of us have as much right to oppose pubbing, whoring, etc as to support them, and to hold our opponents in as much contempt as we please.
Women have as much 'right' to go to pubs, sleep inside or outside of marriage, before and after, as they please, or not. Any effort to force them violently one way or the other is against the principles of Hindu Extremism, and must be opposed, forcefully if needed.
Hindu Extremists also do not celebrate mass pubbing and mass whoring (irrespective of gender) and believe that if the society has to celebrate these acts, it may be there tomorrow, but it is not there yet. As such all of us have as much right to oppose pubbing, whoring, etc as to support them, and to hold our opponents in as much contempt as we please.
#104 Posted by BJ2 on February 22, 2009 1:10:24 pm
Re: # 103
Krishna_abcd, I had seen that article before. (In fact I quoted it elsewhere on UP at some time). Clearly, no sane individual will willingly live under a Taliban-like regime. Which is why so many people try to run away. I do not believe that most Pakistanis would want to live under such a repressive regime, either.
In the same way, most Indians would not wish to live under a "Hindu" analogue of the Taliban, either. Yes, at present the "Hindu Taleban" is not evolved like the famous Pakistani outfit (because the Pakistani outfit has had a head start) but such evolution comes over time and if Indians do not watch out -- it would become inevitable.
We (Indians) blame the Pakistanis for looking the other way when Pakistani administration supported and freelance groups hatch anti-India plots. There are strong grounds for such blame. However, I am also beginning to see more and more that "we" (Hindus) are not as innocent as we would like to feel -- we have a strong, unbreakable caste system to practice Indian version of feudalism (mostly in rural areas) which seems to have an iron grip on our thought process. Yes, there are few if any overtly "Hindu" rallies but when the riots occur, most of "us" and the administration simply close their eyes to what the bad elements do. It is an undeniable fact that most of the damage and most of the killings occurs on the Muslim side -- usually in "reaction" to rumors which invariably prove false! What kind of secularism is that?!!
How can one expect a strong sense of nationality from the "minority" elements if they can not feel assured that their lives and property and women are safe and the state WILL protect them like anybody else?!
There is enough absurdity and evil in the world out there already -- and there is no need for the average folks to start augmenting that pile of dung!
Krishna_abcd, I had seen that article before. (In fact I quoted it elsewhere on UP at some time). Clearly, no sane individual will willingly live under a Taliban-like regime. Which is why so many people try to run away. I do not believe that most Pakistanis would want to live under such a repressive regime, either.
In the same way, most Indians would not wish to live under a "Hindu" analogue of the Taliban, either. Yes, at present the "Hindu Taleban" is not evolved like the famous Pakistani outfit (because the Pakistani outfit has had a head start) but such evolution comes over time and if Indians do not watch out -- it would become inevitable.
We (Indians) blame the Pakistanis for looking the other way when Pakistani administration supported and freelance groups hatch anti-India plots. There are strong grounds for such blame. However, I am also beginning to see more and more that "we" (Hindus) are not as innocent as we would like to feel -- we have a strong, unbreakable caste system to practice Indian version of feudalism (mostly in rural areas) which seems to have an iron grip on our thought process. Yes, there are few if any overtly "Hindu" rallies but when the riots occur, most of "us" and the administration simply close their eyes to what the bad elements do. It is an undeniable fact that most of the damage and most of the killings occurs on the Muslim side -- usually in "reaction" to rumors which invariably prove false! What kind of secularism is that?!!
How can one expect a strong sense of nationality from the "minority" elements if they can not feel assured that their lives and property and women are safe and the state WILL protect them like anybody else?!
There is enough absurdity and evil in the world out there already -- and there is no need for the average folks to start augmenting that pile of dung!
#103 Posted by krishna_abcd on February 22, 2009 6:15:59 am
#98 bjkumar
[The act of segmenting populations along religious/ethnic divides is the surest way to do long-term damage to the body of a nation. Pakistanis did that and are suffering endlessly (perhaps irrecoverably) from such damage.
The Hindutvawadis in India are the Johnny-come-lately hatemongers on the Hindu side. They are a disgrace to the nation. It is they who need to be put where they belong -- in the dustbin of Indian history.
I have every confidence that will happen.
But average Indian folks should not underestimate the damaging potential of such outfits like the average Pakistani folks had been doing (far too long) regarding the menace that Taleban and such outfits have represented.]
If the scenario depicted in my post #102 - which I have been speaking about for so long does happen, I want all the "liberal" "intellectuals" in India beginning with Romila Thapar and the entire JNU campus and alumni to all the islamist sympathizers to be arrested, and WHIPPED in public EVERY day for the rest of their lives.
[The act of segmenting populations along religious/ethnic divides is the surest way to do long-term damage to the body of a nation. Pakistanis did that and are suffering endlessly (perhaps irrecoverably) from such damage.
The Hindutvawadis in India are the Johnny-come-lately hatemongers on the Hindu side. They are a disgrace to the nation. It is they who need to be put where they belong -- in the dustbin of Indian history.
I have every confidence that will happen.
But average Indian folks should not underestimate the damaging potential of such outfits like the average Pakistani folks had been doing (far too long) regarding the menace that Taleban and such outfits have represented.]
If the scenario depicted in my post #102 - which I have been speaking about for so long does happen, I want all the "liberal" "intellectuals" in India beginning with Romila Thapar and the entire JNU campus and alumni to all the islamist sympathizers to be arrested, and WHIPPED in public EVERY day for the rest of their lives.
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