Oh My God

Re: # 47

Nb,

BTW, although it's being intrusive, can I ask if you are Bengali?

Half-Bong, Half-Bihari--the worst of both worlds.

VRV,

My friends the topic raised here is very serious and has implications for India's future. Lets discuss it.

*nods in agreement*

57 vakibs,

I agree with you 100%.

Bechara, goras shud use spoons, forks & knives to eat coz their food is sticky

a. Jacket potatoes (cheese), Mash potato
b. Various pies
c. Soup (drank separately unlike us who mix it with rice)
d. Butter & Jam that needs to be spread with knife

Cleaning rear-end makes sense. I consider goras as uncivilised on that count. They refuse to be civilised or reform themselves from within.

:)

@VRV

I think this whole business of being offended etc. has to do more with insecurity in a modern post-colonial world than with any religious exhortations.

During today's lunch, I noted with amusements my Indian friends defending the Indian habit of eating with fingers instead of using a fork and a knife. Another time, somebody was talking about the virtues of using water to clean one's arse. The point is inane issues like these somehow become important when one feels that one's self-respect or identity is at stake.

Muslims are clinging on to their religion more so than other cultures because they are more insecure in the post-colonial world.

Well, I think we are in the 21st century, and it's time for every one to grow up.

About the GOI, it has always been engaged in a delicate balancing act. The biggest imperative is to prevent the country from exploding into religious riots. Defending the freedom of speech etc are luxuries that can wait.

In effect GoI gives value to shadow than substance similar to author's analogy on Hajj subsidies.

54 vakibs,

Yaar, I'd be offended if I am not allowed to criticise religions in an open society;)

Lets pin-point our issues here.

1. Insulting (verbal or Physical)
2. Mud-slinging
3. Offending

We have laws to prevent all of these but there's a line btw criticism and abuse. U can be critical of anybody incl religious figures. That shud not be a problem but it's one in India. It's always the case that every other community cites Muslim group as an example in India (when they complain of hurting religious sentiments), bcoz they're offended very often than any other community. Govt mollycoddles Muslim group so by analogy they need to for other communities, otherwise Indic traditions are OK with open criticism and lampooning Gods. U have a huge literature in India that lampooned Gods. It's the recent phenomena that 'hurting' religious sentiments is an offence.

India as a country is not even trying to size up the matter. Instead it placates.

Lets take the Muslim issues. The GoI failed to implement Srikrishna Commission Report but fails to sack a stupid minister like Antuley who smear the police of Bombay for the death of Kurkure. Sacking Antuley for them is ridiculing the mainstream Muslim opinion which believes that Kurkure was 'eliminated' by Indian police for his investigations on Malegaon. GoI fails to sack Antuley coz it amounts to belittling the 'sentiments' of Muslims who feel that Antuley was correct i.e. Kurkure was eliminated for Malegaon. GoI has no stomach to dispute that popular Muslim sentiment.

In effect GoI gives value to shadow than substance similar to Hajj subsidies.

@VRV

As long as people are insecure about their identity, they feel offended. It is an uphill task for third world countries to grow out of this and actually laugh at their shortcomings.

Some people revel in insulting other persons and pull them down into this mud-bath. One should resist the temptation of mud-slinging, because by doing so, one will never rise up and reach to one's potential.

I will resist replying to your accusations against Rama or Krishna. That is unnecessary, but if you wish you can look at an earlier discussion I once had with a brilliant American cartoonist.

http://sitayana-correspondence.blogspot.com/


@Eklavya,

Commoners have a right to be offended. And exercising this right is what is keeping them commoners.

I can say...

50 nb,

Absolutely. I can these things in India and against Jesus in the west without fear of being killed but Islam is diff.

I once said Mo being a peado... and a Pak colleague said to the effect that I'd have been beheaded if I said it in his locality (in the town).

51 nkg,

Criminal bent of mind of Mo is no different from the criminal bent of mind of Krishna who used deception to kill Aswatthaama, Dhuryodhana, Bhishma - the mighty phalanx of Kaurava army.

Again the era we talk is diff. If Gandhi were to be alive today he'd have been charged with girl molestation.

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My friends the topic raised here is very serious and has implications for India's future. Lets discuss it.

Re: # 48
nb...
gopis were his collegues and friends, during his teen...when he arrived at dwarka and assumed power of the monarch, he had no business with gopis...

VRV...
Muhammed had a crminal mind. He tried to justify all his misdeeds through "devine revealitions" from arabic moon god...so, muslas do not hesitate to commit crime, like Mo did, thinking that, it will take them to topmost layer of arabic heaven ( 72 virgins...)...

Ram was not perfect personality. Valmiki never tried to create such a hero....but he was not wife tormentor....if you take into account the "Agnipariksha" etc...it is something which the people of Ayodhya wanted, and as the monarch, he had to oblige....

I can remember one story from my uncle (who was HM of my school and english teacher...)...
When Gods comes to earth and take form of human, they exibit the same weakness as ordinary human being...
so, you will find
lord shiva a drug addict...
lord indra, a lecherous king...

VRV, till now you can say this in India and no one will call for your death. I hope this never changes.

nkg & nb,

I mean to say that no religious figure is perfect. Mo is many notches ahead of them, of course.

Sanatani is rabies inflicted. So a shot of ani-dote administered. Shoaib is demonstrably secular and progressive.

Sanatani want to take revenge on any body for '47, which is outta place.

VRV, I agree Ram was a wife tormentor, and may women never have such husbands. However, how and why was Krishna a whore-master? He had a number of wives, but they were not whores. The gopis were in love with him, but they were not whores either.

Thanks, Shoaib, I thought you'd missed the request completely. I thought your post was just brilliant.
BTW, although it's being intrusive, can I ask if you are Bengali?

Re: # 30
Kedar...
If you are middle class all the division applies to you...
if you are very rich or very poor that does not make much sense (for india)....

Re: # 41
vrv...
beduinoid, is that what, your islamic priest had taught you?
(most probably)...but most of the Ram followers do not end up like being wife tormentors or Krishna followers become polygamous..that is where Mo is special....

Re# 31

Eklavya,

"So the focus must be on instituting, strengthening, those internal control mechanisms, not on some stupid people getting upset? "

Spot on. However, there are many a slip between the cup and the lip, sir.

Regards,
Shoaib