Mutaal Mooquin March 7, 2009
#3 Posted by tahir on March 10, 2009 2:01:51 pm
Re: # 2
MM,
"The list of people, who are qualified to comment on Poetry, as per Board of Poetic License Issuing Authority, does not contain name 'tahir'. Still I will respond."
Thanks for the response. Such a bored board does not exist in reality (and what is reality?). You have not thus far even seen Tahir's poetic toe-nail (it is veiled). You may laugh here with me!
"What I mean by "I am not knowable even by me." is not much different what I may mean by "You are not knowable even by you".
What a thoery! This is not mathematics where anything can become anything else, even a big fat zero. You say 'Not much different'? It is entirely different!
Hadith Qudsi, however, are only REPORTS of what was supposedly said by God and which was overheard by God knows who!
Its settled then, you must be a sufi? Which 'silsila' may I ask? I've read a few of their text books and found that I needed to return to the safety of the Qur'an.
Spiritual acrobatics and turnabouts took many sufis straight into the arms of no less a personage than Iblees himself.
I wish you'd write a love poem or something without throwing a spanner in spiritual works?
Quite literally, literalism is good and real; everything needn't turn into everything else, or somethingness into un-somethingbess!
"Literalism is just a step away from idolatry. Watch your steps."
How so? Don't get bogged down by 'muttashabihaat'! Watch it!
Regards.
MM,
"The list of people, who are qualified to comment on Poetry, as per Board of Poetic License Issuing Authority, does not contain name 'tahir'. Still I will respond."
Thanks for the response. Such a bored board does not exist in reality (and what is reality?). You have not thus far even seen Tahir's poetic toe-nail (it is veiled). You may laugh here with me!
"What I mean by "I am not knowable even by me." is not much different what I may mean by "You are not knowable even by you".
What a thoery! This is not mathematics where anything can become anything else, even a big fat zero. You say 'Not much different'? It is entirely different!
Hadith Qudsi, however, are only REPORTS of what was supposedly said by God and which was overheard by God knows who!
Its settled then, you must be a sufi? Which 'silsila' may I ask? I've read a few of their text books and found that I needed to return to the safety of the Qur'an.
Spiritual acrobatics and turnabouts took many sufis straight into the arms of no less a personage than Iblees himself.
I wish you'd write a love poem or something without throwing a spanner in spiritual works?
Quite literally, literalism is good and real; everything needn't turn into everything else, or somethingness into un-somethingbess!
"Literalism is just a step away from idolatry. Watch your steps."
How so? Don't get bogged down by 'muttashabihaat'! Watch it!
Regards.
#2 Posted by quin on March 10, 2009 12:12:02 pm
The list of people, who are qualified to comment on Poetry, as per Board of Poetic License Issuing Authority, does not contain name 'tahir'. Still I will respond.
What I mean by "I am not knowable even by me." is not much different what I may mean by "You are not knowable even by you".
Nothing has been turned into anything. (And everything is turned into everything). As I always say the key to understanding poetry, and sacred texts, and the beat of human heart, is to transcend literalism. And in fact, it is not really a matter of UNDER-standing. It is a matter of connecting. The words are only access point, gateways, routers. Even God's words, nothing more, nothing less.
Literalism is just a step away from idolatry. Watch your steps.
And then what is meaning of Hadith's Qudsi:
"I was a treasure unknown,
and I wished to be known
and therefore I created the creation
so I may be known"
Remember, no literalism.
Discern what treasures are hidden
In diamonds of thousand cuts.
Wishing best,
MM
What I mean by "I am not knowable even by me." is not much different what I may mean by "You are not knowable even by you".
Nothing has been turned into anything. (And everything is turned into everything). As I always say the key to understanding poetry, and sacred texts, and the beat of human heart, is to transcend literalism. And in fact, it is not really a matter of UNDER-standing. It is a matter of connecting. The words are only access point, gateways, routers. Even God's words, nothing more, nothing less.
Literalism is just a step away from idolatry. Watch your steps.
And then what is meaning of Hadith's Qudsi:
"I was a treasure unknown,
and I wished to be known
and therefore I created the creation
so I may be known"
Remember, no literalism.
Discern what treasures are hidden
In diamonds of thousand cuts.
Wishing best,
MM
#1 Posted by tahir on March 10, 2009 10:48:30 am
M.M. sahib,
What do you mean by "I am not knowable even by me."?
And why has the One and True God been turned into 'god'?
Dubious poetic-licenses can get cancelled!
What do you mean by "I am not knowable even by me."?
And why has the One and True God been turned into 'god'?
Dubious poetic-licenses can get cancelled!
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