The Virulet Virus of Wahhabi Intolerance

114 Shoaib,

On Bihari Muslims in WB : There isn't any thing that distinguishes a Bihari Ms from a Bengali Ms in WB (unlike in B'desh where a Bihari Muslim is treated as an a traitor -achoot kind of). To my knowledge most of the Calcuttan Biharis are bilingual and Bong Muslims are at home with Hindi/Urdu as they are with Bengali.

Bihari-Bengali divide among Muslims is not that pronounced in West bengal as it's in B'desh.

On Unplugged debate on Hindi Vs Urdu :

I cant recall when but those who joined the debate would know what we discussed. I for one don't want Urdu to replace any Indian language, much less Hindi. I dont even want the Persian script except as a personal choice of individuals. I know what ur opinion was but cant reprodfuce the link as I dont remeber the date nor the title of the thread BUT those who joined us know what we discussed.

If you want to be forthright, pl give ur opinion now on Hindi Vs Urdu issue. That'd settle this issue for now. If u dont want to state (as u did on Wahabi issue below) then I'd take it as what u wrote then i.e. Urdu was the victimn of politics in India and there's nothing like Hindi language withoput the wealth of Persian vocabulary (sic).

harimau....
hey, a new drama started in Karala...The CPI(M) pressed for release of the islamic/terrorist leader Abdul Madani to collect musla votes...somehow, he betrayed CPI(M)...now, CPI(M) is hell bent on proving that this madani fellow is indeed a terrorist leader.....

Re: # 119
dm...
"I can also say that he was a great proponent of Hindu-Muslim unity...."
specificaly, if India is put under the rule of khalifa...

so what should we conclude from murad beg and mimu6th century?

1. muslaism is peiceful religion ( i.e. when you see any non believer of arabic moon god, cut him/her into pieces...wanna proof? great Mo done that several hundred times in 13 looting expeditions. That is called hallal...if you don't find nion believer, at least kill goat,camel etc....) and with great cultural value system ( screwing 6/7 year old girl when the person is supposed to play the role of grandpa...)

2. abdul wahab was great musla and is great proponent of nonviolence (unlike violent budhists, jains, vaishnavaites....)

3. pakis are piece-loving people and most of them do not follow abdul wahab....

VRV:

I spent some time in Dhaka and, in my experience, Bangladeshis do not speak or support Urdu. This is also true of a few Bangladeshis I know in Canada. I also noted that younger Bangladeshis do indeed have better understanding of Hindi but this is due to the popularity of Indian serials on TV.

mimu2009:

"Do you Maulana Abul kalam Azad ? was he wahabi or not? Once he led the congress and was the educaton minister after India got independence. Have you ever read his book “India Wins Freedom�? have you ever read his magazine Al-hilal ?"

I have been reading a compendium of Maulana Azad's speeches and can say without any reservation that he was a wahabi and more umma-oriented than Jinnah or other proponents of Pakistan. I can also say that he was a great proponent of Hindu-Muslim unity.

Don’t say what you don’t know!
By Salahuddin

NO. perhaps you don't know much about Wahabism.Abdul Wahab never turned Islam(a great religion) on his head.From where you knew that he allowed to defile and destroy the tomb of the Prophet Muhammad at Madina in 1803? it is merely your imagination or you have got wrong information because ground realities are agaisnst what you said. Else this there is another matter to be discussed and that is whether making tombs on graves is permissible in islam or not? did our beloved prophet mohammad PBUH give order to make tomb after his death? If not and surely not then who made that?do u know about that? And why he made ?from where he got the order to make tomb on his grabve while Prophet had strictly warned his followers in this regard.

Abdul WAhab never redifined Islam in a particularly narrow and intolerant way ......how could he do that while he claims to be the true followers of Prophet Mohammad? as you also have admitted in your article that he demanded total surrender to the supreme power Allah, dosallowing any ceremonies ,including ceremonies for marriage or death.... if u term this as wahabism then (forgive me)Prophet Mohammad was the greatest wahabi who did not let anyone do this either in his life or after his death.Because while he was alive he never celebrated his birthday , marriage day or anyother day .isn’t it? If not then you should prove that. And I am sure that you never can prove this because he never did those things so if Wahabi don’t do or accept that then you should blame islam and Prophet(God make us safe) and not Wahabism.

The Islam of the Quran was avowed religion for peace and order but it sufferd…….Islam was and islam is a religion of peace and order , no one can change this .people may go destract but islam can not .you have criticized Quran and Hadith but I think you are not able to read it at least you can read but not correctly ,if can read it correctly then I am sure you cant understand what great message lies in it and this is the reason why you wrote this acticle exposing yourself as a Islamic expert (but unfortunately like many other calimers you also are self styled expert of Islamic knowledge) .

You wrote that the loving Sufi philosophy had been the main agent for conversions to islam…from where you knew this ? can you prove this? If yes then why didn’t give any example ?

You wrote at the beginning of your article that it is hard to understand how a single rough Be……..but in the fifth paragraph you came with the notion that it was power of hatred and you brought some false allegations that carries no reality in it. And further you claimed that Wahab,s vision enshrined in his book Kitab Al-Tauheed ……it seems you have stolen this article from a blind man’s house and without looking into what your hands got you came running to the market to sale that. This is why you said what you don’t know about .

You wrote about Wahabism in the context of India but you ,surely don’t know Indian freedom struggle ,from where it began and who lead it ….in this regard you should study the book “Wahabi Movement in India by Dr.Qiyamuddin� and then you will know what it is all about.

Moreover you also linked Darul Uloom of Deoband with it and called Salfi equivalent to it. But you should know that you don’t know even the A,B,C of these terms and these great institutions. Do you Maulana Abul kalam Azad ? was he wahabi or not? Once he led the congress and was the educaton minister after India got independence. Have you ever read his book “India Wins Freedom�? have you ever read his magazine Al-hilal ?

You also did not leave Wahabism in Pakistan also and commented blindly . you wrote that The good thing is that wahhabism does not have majority support in Pakistan as was clear from the failure of their candidates in the last election. Can you please enlist the name of their condidates in the last election? If not then you I will be sure that you are mentally blind or know nothing but catch whatever passes by you.

You did not stop at this point but went further saying that Deoband’s Darul ulum recently publicly condemned this terrorism and the redefined jihad saying …………………they and all moderate muslims however need to much more to mock the fanatics and make them believe that they are not heroes but heretics to the words fo Muhammad and destined for the hell fires instead of the paradise assured by their fanatic leaders……perhaps you never been in a madrasa and you never peeped in it. You should go there and see with your own eyes what the reality is . you will know that these madrasas are the only place where the sons of poor s and farmers get education because they can’t pay the hefty fee of public schools. They send their children to these madrasas because if they don’t send their children to these madrasas then their children will remain blind, illiterate and would rag picker in future. So you should go to these madrasas to see what is taught thre.

If you have no time to go to these Islamic seminaries then you can read Yoginder sikand’s articles who ,being a non muslims had searched each and every madrasa of India and spent nearly 10 years researching thse Islamic ceminaries and after that he published his book in 2006. you are advised to read that . else this you can read Arshad Amanullah’s articles and interviews on his blogs who himself is a product of madrasas and after that got master degree in journalism from JMI.

At last I apologize if you are hurt by my feedback. But it is my duty ( as a muslim) to take a notice of every evil and no to spread what we are ignorant in a friendly manner.

I have been watching this, and have to speak up. Bengali Muslims do not speak Urdu, by and large. There may be a few who do, but I have known many more who become terribly frustrated in North India because people take for granted that they can read or speak Urdu.
VRV, the movement to make Urdu a state language came from Bihari Muslims resident in West Bengal. I think it was the wrong thing to do by the CPM, appeasement of a small section, but I will not have Bengali Muslims blamed for it.
I see Majumdar has already spoken on this matter.

VRV...
most of the muslas living in rural bengal are like any poor people in that area....most of them are illiterate or semiliterate....so, the question of Urdoo does not come to the picture so far....
a musla living in Nadia is linguisticaly closer or identical to a similar bong in Nadia than a musla living in Birbhum....

Shoaib/VRV Garu,

About 10-15% of the total Muslims in WB (mainly in Calcutta and Asansol-Durgapur belt) are ethnic bhayyas. They are mainly migrants from Bihar and UP and some of them are indeed returnees from Bdesh after they had their b***s whupped by the Bongs for siding with Pakis in 1971. These are the ones who speak Urdu as a mother tongue.

Some ethnic Bengali Muslims both from WB and Bdesh also speak good Hindi/Urdu but then so do many Bong Hindoos (like myself or Nb di). These are mainly "educated" folks and/or probasis (or emigrants)- like Shoaib, Nb, myself

Hope this is helpful

Regards

VRV,

They are WB Muslims.

I hope you realise that ‘WB Muslims’ or Muslims living in WB, can also be Bihari? The same way, say, Sushmita Sen is a Bengali living in Maharshtra. Or, to repeat an exmaple I’ve used earlier, a Mr. Bagri living in Calcutta is still a Marawrai.

So ur claim is prima facie untenable

Look man, this seems to me a futile argument. It really does. Why anyone with Bengali as his mother tongue would ask for Urdu as an official language is beyond me. How does it benefit anyone who’s more proficient in Bengali than any other language?

Even if the poor sod could somehow speak the language, courtesy Bollywood films or whatever, best of luck to him with the Nastaliq script!

There's a Hindu B'deshi from godforsaken village in Sylhet and he speaks good Hindi/Urdu.

So now the Hindu Bengali’s, and Baangaals at that, have also jumped onto the Hindi/Urdu bandwagon, have they?

I’ll tell you what. There’s no Bengali who speaks Bengali or wants to speak the language. It’s all a big sham to fool everybody. They are all closet Hindi/Urdu lovers just waiting to petition govts to introduce languages other than Bengali.

As for the thread on Hindi Vs Urdu debate, I am fairly sure that you rejected that Hindi is a 'language' on its own merits.

Please quote the sentence/para of mine from where you inferred this and we can go on from there.

Shoaib

That poem is from "The Chutney Lyrics" by an anonymous poet.

'O grim and ghastly Mussulman,
Why art thou wailing so?
Is there a pain within thy brain,
Or in thy little toe?
The twilight shades are shutting fast
The golden gates of day,
Then shut up, you, too, your hullabaloo -
Or what's the matter, say?'

That stern and sombre Mussulman,
He heeded not my speech,
But raised again his howl of pain -
A most unearthly screech!
'He dies' - I thought, and forthwith rushed
To aid the wretched man,
When, with a shout, he yell'd - 'Get out!
I'm singing the Koran!'

Re: # 101
VRV...
That has already come back in Pakistan- SWAT etc...

Only mater of concern is, how can we stay away from such glorious period of muslaism and prevent the gracious culture of paedophilia, gang crime, destruction of beautiful architeacture, burning of library etc. reaching India....

#100 muradbaig

[It is true that there were extremists before Wahhab but Islam had become a gracious and magnanimous culture in its years of greatness..]

And which years were these again? Which year to which year exactly?

This would be an interesting revelation.

#70 shoaib_daniyal

[Sigh…

Anyways, I await an answer, a real one too, to why there has been so much mass migration from BD to Assam.]

That WAS a real answer. You wanted to know WHY migration of Bangladeshi Muslims (metastasis) occurs. Okay - see if you get this:

The cause for cancer metastasis is cells breaking away from the original tumor in the first place. This breaking away of a few cells happens because of the breakneck growth of the population of cells compared to the growth rate of the surrounding non-cancerous tissue (just like the disproportionately high growth rate of Muslims compared to non-Muslims in EVERY society in the world). And therefore the next question is - WHY is the Muslim population growth rate so much higher than non-Muslims? Non-cancer cells rely on normal growth rules coded in the DNA for their growth - just like normal human beings (non-Muslims) follow the normal (read human) rules for population growth. But for cancerous cells, the rules coded in the DNA have been damaged, and this leads to uncontrolled proliferation - similarly, in Muslims, human rules have been mutilated and mangled by Islamic rules, and this is the MAIN reason for their disproportionate growth rate compared to the non-Muslim population.

If Bangladeshi Muslim population growth was like normal human population growth, this refugee problem would not have occured.

I hope this explains it?

No?

Oh well....