Murad A Baig March 22, 2009
#108 Posted by nkg on March 25, 2009 8:28:11 pm
Re: # 100
murad beg...
yeah, the gracious culture of fcuking 6 year old girl by a 58 year old decoit...
murad beg...
yeah, the gracious culture of fcuking 6 year old girl by a 58 year old decoit...
#106 Posted by VRV on March 25, 2009 6:11:21 pm
105, Shoaib,
Firstly the WB Muslims demanded Urdu as the II language in Bengal. Now u claim they're Biharis. Nobody from Govt or any other org claimed that. So ur claim is prima facie untenable. They are WB Muslims.
I was in Calcutta and been to some shehrs in WB. FYI, I live with B'deshi Muslims, incl a Chittagong dist. They ALL speak Hindi/Urdu & they are not from big shehrs. There's a Hindu B'deshi from godforsaken village in Sylhet and he speaks good Hindi/Urdu.
So ur argument that Indian Bengali Muslims dont speak Hindi/Urdu is BS. If B'deshis can speak why not Indian Bongs?
As for the thread on Hindi Vs Urdu debate, I am fairly sure that you rejected that Hindi is a 'language' on its own merits.
Never mind we can start that debate right here. Look forward to ur arguments.
Btw, to make it relevant, pl add ur opinions on Wahabism.
I'd tell mine.
Wahabism : Muslims : : Islamists : non-Muslims.
Firstly the WB Muslims demanded Urdu as the II language in Bengal. Now u claim they're Biharis. Nobody from Govt or any other org claimed that. So ur claim is prima facie untenable. They are WB Muslims.
I was in Calcutta and been to some shehrs in WB. FYI, I live with B'deshi Muslims, incl a Chittagong dist. They ALL speak Hindi/Urdu & they are not from big shehrs. There's a Hindu B'deshi from godforsaken village in Sylhet and he speaks good Hindi/Urdu.
So ur argument that Indian Bengali Muslims dont speak Hindi/Urdu is BS. If B'deshis can speak why not Indian Bongs?
As for the thread on Hindi Vs Urdu debate, I am fairly sure that you rejected that Hindi is a 'language' on its own merits.
Never mind we can start that debate right here. Look forward to ur arguments.
Btw, to make it relevant, pl add ur opinions on Wahabism.
I'd tell mine.
Wahabism : Muslims : : Islamists : non-Muslims.
#105 Posted by shoaib_daniyal on March 25, 2009 10:18:06 am
VRV,
. It's wrong to say Biharis demanded it coz we dont call them Biharis in WB as they otherwise do in Bangladesh.
Eh? What’s “wrong�? If you won’t call a Bihari a Bihari, then what the hell will you call him? How does it matter whether he’s in BD, WB or Timbuktu? For example, just because there are Marwaris living in Calcutta doesn’t mean they have become Bengali.
The first preference of urban West Bengali Muslims is Urdu & I know that first hand.
I’ve already explained that. In Calcutta there are a lot of Bihari Ms. I’ve even heard Md. Salim giving speeches in Urdu/Hindi. I’d advise you to go to say, Murshidabad, and find out how many ‘urban West Bengali Muslims’ speak Urdu/Hindi.
P.S: Unless u forget the UP thread where u're rooting for Urdu.
Dude, Urdu ain’t a football team that I’d ‘root’ for it. Do go and reread that thread—it had nothing of a language contest as you make it out to be. If you still are confused with regard to that, we could discuss it again on UP. Coincidently I’ve even mentioned Bihari Ms there.
Shoaib
. It's wrong to say Biharis demanded it coz we dont call them Biharis in WB as they otherwise do in Bangladesh.
Eh? What’s “wrong�? If you won’t call a Bihari a Bihari, then what the hell will you call him? How does it matter whether he’s in BD, WB or Timbuktu? For example, just because there are Marwaris living in Calcutta doesn’t mean they have become Bengali.
The first preference of urban West Bengali Muslims is Urdu & I know that first hand.
I’ve already explained that. In Calcutta there are a lot of Bihari Ms. I’ve even heard Md. Salim giving speeches in Urdu/Hindi. I’d advise you to go to say, Murshidabad, and find out how many ‘urban West Bengali Muslims’ speak Urdu/Hindi.
P.S: Unless u forget the UP thread where u're rooting for Urdu.
Dude, Urdu ain’t a football team that I’d ‘root’ for it. Do go and reread that thread—it had nothing of a language contest as you make it out to be. If you still are confused with regard to that, we could discuss it again on UP. Coincidently I’ve even mentioned Bihari Ms there.
Shoaib
#104 Posted by jang on March 25, 2009 8:40:45 am
murad yar, good you found back your password.
at the end of the article you pose following points about pak.
1) wahabis are not many but are far mroe virulent.
2) they are very dagerous to india thanks to oppression of muslims.
3) we should be very concerned and something ought to be done.
imo we in india also have had a large number of folks, esp gulf returnees who have been reintroduced to real islam. offcourse oppression of muslims is closer to home besides falisteen etc. additionally we have political compulsions. the numbers being small is not important as you mention considering potency of virulance. given this, should we not be concerned about this more than giving pakis advice etc?
at the end of the article you pose following points about pak.
1) wahabis are not many but are far mroe virulent.
2) they are very dagerous to india thanks to oppression of muslims.
3) we should be very concerned and something ought to be done.
imo we in india also have had a large number of folks, esp gulf returnees who have been reintroduced to real islam. offcourse oppression of muslims is closer to home besides falisteen etc. additionally we have political compulsions. the numbers being small is not important as you mention considering potency of virulance. given this, should we not be concerned about this more than giving pakis advice etc?
#103 Posted by dost_mittar on March 25, 2009 8:31:42 am
sanatani:
"They were divided into factions Giani Gurnam Singh for the Jutts and Master Tara Singh for the Khatris and the rest"
Did you mean Giani Kartar Singh?
"They were divided into factions Giani Gurnam Singh for the Jutts and Master Tara Singh for the Khatris and the rest"
Did you mean Giani Kartar Singh?
#102 Posted by jang on March 25, 2009 7:53:50 am
when it comes to violence tahmed will discover all primitives to be violent. lets see what he comes up with about gracious and magnanimous.
re w. bangalis, i think there is a class distinction. teh well-off and "cultured" bangli mussalman families (jamindaris, preofessional) were very much wangophiles in my experience.
anyways, bangladeshi migration to higher grounds will continue..even assam simply because it is higher ground. indians better stop viewing it as an islami problem (only) and prepare better for it. best negotiate with bangladesh a nepal like status with full interference in its polity and right to work and ration card for bangladeshis ..this will remove the political patronage and exploitation from politicians and islamists and paki jihadi planners.
re w. bangalis, i think there is a class distinction. teh well-off and "cultured" bangli mussalman families (jamindaris, preofessional) were very much wangophiles in my experience.
anyways, bangladeshi migration to higher grounds will continue..even assam simply because it is higher ground. indians better stop viewing it as an islami problem (only) and prepare better for it. best negotiate with bangladesh a nepal like status with full interference in its polity and right to work and ration card for bangladeshis ..this will remove the political patronage and exploitation from politicians and islamists and paki jihadi planners.
#101 Posted by VRV on March 25, 2009 7:42:07 am
So you want to bring back the greatness of Islam. Good.
#100 Posted by muradbaig on March 25, 2009 6:49:44 am
Sorry I was without a password.
The interacts seem to have got onto a tangent about bongs and biharis etc. Let's try to get back to the roots of Islamic terrorism.
It is true that there were extremists before Wahhab but Islam had become a gracious and magnanimous culture in its years of greatness that began to slip seriously after the 17th century until Muslim countries were among the poorest at the turn of thr 20th century.
The interacts seem to have got onto a tangent about bongs and biharis etc. Let's try to get back to the roots of Islamic terrorism.
It is true that there were extremists before Wahhab but Islam had become a gracious and magnanimous culture in its years of greatness that began to slip seriously after the 17th century until Muslim countries were among the poorest at the turn of thr 20th century.
#99 Posted by VRV on March 25, 2009 5:42:54 am
70, Shoaib,
Whether it's demanded by Biharis or Bongs, the result in WB is that Urdu was given the status of II official language & the demand came from WB Muslims. It's wrong to say Biharis demanded it coz we dont call them Biharis in WB as they otherwise do in Bangladesh. The first preference of urban West Bengali Muslims is Urdu & I know that first hand.
P.S: Unless u forget the UP thread where u're rooting for Urdu.
Whether it's demanded by Biharis or Bongs, the result in WB is that Urdu was given the status of II official language & the demand came from WB Muslims. It's wrong to say Biharis demanded it coz we dont call them Biharis in WB as they otherwise do in Bangladesh. The first preference of urban West Bengali Muslims is Urdu & I know that first hand.
P.S: Unless u forget the UP thread where u're rooting for Urdu.
#98 Posted by nkg on March 25, 2009 5:37:28 am
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nb...
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#97 Posted by nb on March 25, 2009 5:31:44 am
NKG, please advise from where I can download a Bengali font.
When did I say we were going to do anything? We can only dream, but we do that well.
When did I say we were going to do anything? We can only dream, but we do that well.
#96 Posted by nkg on March 25, 2009 5:24:45 am
nb...
please predict, when will we get the next noble lauriate from West Bengal? options
a. within 50 years
b. within 100 years
c. never again
if the present state continues, it will be c.
http://www.anandabazar.com/25edit4.htm
please predict, when will we get the next noble lauriate from West Bengal? options
a. within 50 years
b. within 100 years
c. never again
if the present state continues, it will be c.
http://www.anandabazar.com/25edit4.htm
#94 Posted by tahmed32 on March 25, 2009 5:07:56 am
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#93 Posted by tahmed32 on March 25, 2009 5:06:59 am
fuzair #91 agreed that historically muslims have been prone to conflict. but who has not? all primitive societies are/were like that. so what you say is not quite fair.
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