The Virulet Virus of Wahhabi Intolerance

sheesh...is wikipedia banned in the land of the pure again? Al-gebra dude's book was called "on the calculation with hindu numerals...fer crissakes...

Al-KhwÄ?rizmÄ«

His book On the Calculation with Hindu Numerals written about 825, was principally responsible for the diffusion of the Indian system of numeration in the Middle-East and then Europe. This book also translated into Latin in the twelfth century, as Algoritmi de numero Indorum. From the name of the author, rendered in Latin as algoritmi, originated the term algorithm.

Algebra was probably 'invented' by Babylonians or ancient Hindus but the 'father' of modern algebra is al Khwarizmi--not an Arab but a Persian.

The last siege of vienna by the Turks was in 1683 and marked the end of the Ottoman threat to Europe.

Islam has always been marked by violent, fundamentalist movements that attempt to bring it back to its 'true' form and strip out all heretical innovations/practices that have crept in. This far predates Wahhab; for example, the al Moravids in Spain were alsmost as nasty as the Wahhabis. Why the Wahhabis gained so much ground is that they conquered Mecca and Medina and then found oil.

Remember, bida is held in horror by all true Muslims.

Re: # 85
Sanatani...
"Thank you for being understanding about the fact that I at times get sentimental and start abusing Bongs...."

Bongs inherited best of modern skillset from Brits. So, they should have shown much more responsibility towards rest of India. Their stupidity has not only put West Bengal into turmoil, it is major source of internal security problem for entire India. Bongs deservs far severe (like Siv sena style...) action....It is time for you guys to forget that Tagore, Ramakrishna/Vivekananda, Bankimbabu were bongs...

Re: # 86
nb...
what vision?
Have you visited calcutta university or JU campus, lately? Anarchy and lack of commitment is what, you can say,describes about the state of campus....
Calcutta University is now a teacher producing insititute.....

Re: # 81
Majumder,Shoaib....
"Killing Bong Ms suited no one and cultivating them benefited quite a few who were largely not Bong Ms...."

This is very much incorrect....Dr. Roy would not have to bother about refugee camps in Hizlee or in Dandakaranya, if the muslas were purged (not necesarily through killing) properly....


Bangladeshi muslas were at the bottom of skill level ( administrative, educational etc...) and would have f***ed up more, if they were pushed with more semi skilled people......

The most prominent living rascal from EB, is Dr. Amartya Sen.

oops sorry "I will say as forcefully the same thing" to read

I will as forcefully say the same thing

Sanatani

I disagree with the visionless bit, Maj. Bengalis have a lot of visions...just not willing to put in the elbow grease to make it possible. Myself included.

Majumdar da,

Thank you for being understanding about the fact that I at times get sentimental and start abusing Bongs.

But after I had read Bengalvoice.com I went into depression. On 1 side there is undiluted admiration and respect for Dr Shyama Babu and Ashutosh Lahiri and then these swine since the 1930's.

I do not mean ill towards the Bengali Hindus and when the inevitable happens do not worry I shall repay the interest on the debts of my forefathers by sheltering as many bong/asomiya Hindu families in my house as my purse allows the same way many of us were housed by people we did not even know as feloow Hindus and the way Pittabhai Sitaramayya forcefully called against calling us Sharanarthis I will say as forcefully the same thing.

Sanatani

Re: # 76

We did squat sh***t. The Khalsaji's did everything they were the lions and we were the hyenas and vultures.

Having said that the UP and Biharis esp in the rural areas were much more effective than we Punjabi Hindus were. the reason is not far to seek.

The Hindu Mahasabha was lead by Bhaijanji a great admirer of Islam and he was a Kashmiri Brahmin. The Urban Hindus were congressis and were totally enamoured of Madar Das see the movie Pinjar (BTW I think I know the family upon who this is loosely based) How?? Each of my relatives families and since we are talking about as distant as my grandfathers 3rd cousins it woiuld mean say 50 odd families had an item like that guy who plays Kharbandas son. In fact they would infuriate me so much that I used to be literally in tears when they would talk about their "Mahatmaji" and Congress party and none of the HM/RSS/Jan Sanghi elders would retaliate.

To cut a long story short only the kattar anti congressi Hindus fought say 10% of the urban Hindus while the Sikhs to a man. In many villages the Khalsaji's would form a rearguard that would invoke Akali Phoola Singh (the original Akali and that meant death or victory never surrender) and hold a muslai force 20-30 times their size and with very rare exceptions were always killed to a man but ensure that the other Hindus and Sikhs get away.

One very old member of the HM in Kanpur told me convert every Hindu into a Sikh tell him Khalsa or death.

To this I say "Raj Karega Khalsa Haki rahe na koi Jo bole So Nihal Sat Sri Akal"

Sanatani

Excellent propaganda and stifling debate here! Wonderful discussions! Hijacking the basic idea!

Re: # 79
Majumder....
Brit's bamboo was there for everyone; may not be equaly brutal...
The second generation political leaders (after WC Bannerjee and Bipin Chandra Pal etc...) had created a mess for us. God knows, if the partition was managed better way, we would have succeeded like Punjab...I know, you may like to bring the issue of post partition musla migration into West Bengal and Assam. Once the human barrier would have been successfully erected, that would have solved the current day problem (in WB and ASSAM) as welll.

Shoaib,

Killing Bong Ms suited no one and cultivating them benefited quite a few who were largely not Bong Ms.

You are absolutely right. But there will be long-term consequences for Bong Hindoos. (Especially as half of BD wud be under water in a couple of decades.) Hopefully Bong and Asamese Hindoos will not blame others for their own choices and resulting plight (as and when that happens).

How this has benefited the B Ms (economically, politically etc) is open for all to see.

No, it has not. But it cud have been worse.

Regards

Re: # 76

Majumdarda

It is wrong to say that Bangladeshis didnt have a choice

That was not what I meant. I meant that the fact that they chose partition was mind-boggling. Of course, after the much vaunted Pakistan was displayed, there was a realisation among Bong M's that partition would screw them. Hence the last minutes scramble for an independent Bengal. But ultimately they went with the Pakistanis and faced the consequences.

Bong Muslims can thank their stars that their Hindoo counterparts didnt do in Bengal and Assam in 1947 what Sanatani bhai and his fellow Punjoo Sikhs/Hindoos did in Punjab

I'm afraid it’s not as simple as that. Maybe an analysis that goes beyond numbers would do better. Killing Bong Ms suited no one and cultivating them benefited quite a few who were largely not Bong Ms. How this has benefited the B Ms (economically, politically etc) is open for all to see.

Shoaib

Nkg moshai,

within a century (1820-1920), what bongs achieved is no mean task.

You have inadvertently given the answer to the conundrum. In 1820-1920, the Brit's bamboo was working in Bengal. After 1947, the Bong got the chance to rule himself and the results are for everyone to see. The state that was #1 or close to it in '47 is now just about ahead of Bihar or Orissa.

Regards

Re: # 76
Majumder....
"Having said, that both BD and WB wud still have been f***ed post Partition becuase Bongs (irrespective of whether they are Hindoos/Muslims) are basically a lazy, visionless people. But at least Bong Hindoos who want to achieve something in life cud have emigrated elsewhere in India and made something out of themselves...."

This is over simplification...within a century (1820-1920), what bongs achieved is no mean task. British rule spread out everywhere during that period (pre WWII, Brits used to rule 1/3rd of the world). How many areas in British colony showed such remarkable progress in the field of art, literature, science and industry like WB? Very rare. Giving enough credit to brits, we should share it with people like Vidyasagar, Vivekananda, Asutosh Mukherjee, M L Sirkar, Jadunath Sirkar, Abaninindranath, Sister Nivedita, J C Bose... etc....in their respective field. Frankly speaking, the political fragmentation was the main reason behind the problem of Assam and specialy West Bengal....

Re: # 75
shoaib....
"To think that the BDesis went willingly into Partition is mind boggling?"
what is mind boggling in this?
The concept of Pakistan was formulated in Dacca and muslas living in bengal (both east and west) were very much part of it....the first genocide, supporting separate country for muslas, started in Calcutta (not in Bihar or anywhere in current day Pakistan. 1905 was the trigger point for east bengali muslas).....
the point is, when the bangals were being purged in east pakistan, muslas should have been purged here in west bengal. Somhow, our beloved leader "Subhas Chandra Bose" was busy fighting in Burma etc. etc....influx of refugees and we turned the most advanced city of Asia (Calcutta) into a hell...

Yeh, Jinnah wanted to include whole lot of stuff into Pakistan...but, the demography, workforce etc. does not speak for him, at least related to Calcutta.....I have read somewhere that, he demamded river Ganga should be used as border between East pakistan and India....that much!!!!....