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Riaz,

Indian hindus remember Paki muslims only when they speak about terrorism........

we have no respect for you because you are followers of "deen-e-fasad"...........

you follow a satanic cult of hate that is based upon the ideology of hate called TNT.

"As obvious from the virulent anti-Pak commentary that comes from several Indians on this forum, the visceral hatred of Pakistan appears to be part of the DNA of a significant segment of Indian population."

Listen, Riaz,

We want you to live in your purelands..........we want nothing to do with you.......you call yourself Arabi-sharbi or what .....we do not care.

Just DO NOT sent your jehadi kuttas into India to disrupt our elections.......

if you send your jehadi kuttas then remember this time millions of indians are going to swarm across the border and kill these jehadi kuttas and their handlers......

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Al-Qaeda planning attack on US from Pakistan: Obama

Thursday, April 02, 2009
US issues bulletin on Mehsud threat; Petraeus says insurgents threaten Pakistan’s existence; Mullen for audit of Pak aid
LONDON/WASHINGTON: US President Barack Obama said on Wednesday al-Qaeda was planning to attack the US mainland from Pakistani soil and added that the US would chase and defeat the terror organisation wherever it was present in the world, reports Geo News.

Addressing a joint press conference with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown here, Obama said the US policy was clear for both Pakistan and Afghanistan, while Afghanistan would not be allowed to become a safe haven for al-Qaeda. The US president said elimination of al-Qaeda was in the greater interest of both the countries.

deeper and deeper...

12 die as drone hits militants’ camp in Orakzai

Thursday, April 02, 2009

By Syed Hasan Mahmud & Mushtaq Yusufzai

KALAYA/PESHAWAR: Three minors and two women were among the 12 people who perished in the first-ever US drone attack on the Orakzai tribal agency on Wednesday.

Sources told The News that an unmanned CIA-operated spy plane fired two Hellfire missiles on the two-storey house of a militant commander Maulvi Gul Nazeer, also known as Gul Mulla, in Khadeezai village, about 35 kilometres northwest of Ghiljo, Tehsil headquarters of the Orakzai Agency.

They said the drone first fired one missile and fired another after an interval. The attack was the first of its kind in the Orakzai Agency. Orakzai Agency is the only tribal region out of the total seven regions of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata), which does not share its border with Afghanistan.

Re: # 264 Riaz, "BJP's threatening behavior toward Pakistan that brought the two nations close to war in 2002"

I am no fan of BJP, but you cannot blame the BJP for the initiating the whole sequence of events. It was in response to the attack on the Indian Parliament, by the Paksitanis. The blame lies with the Pakistani mindset and the Pakistan govt that is always looking for an opportunity to bleed India. The attacker cannot claim to be under threat as he was surprised to get a bloody nose from the defender. And that too each time he has tried. You would have been right if you can give an equivalent of Bombay, Kargill and Parliament attacks done by India on Pakistan.

"Pakistan can not afford to ignore clear and present danger from both Hindu and Muslim fundamentalists." Regarding the threat from Muslim fundamentalism I would not comment as it is entirely Paksitan's creation.
As for the Hindu (BJP/Sangh) parties, they are not in power currently. So I guess you do not feel threatened presently due to the Congress rule in India and must have liked its handling of the Bombay attack.

Re: # 261

The flurry of Indian responses to my comments reinforce what I said earlier and I repeat it here again: The kind of commentators and policy-makers that call for Pakistan to ignore the Indian threat are essentially armchair types who have no real appreciation for the reality on the ground. As obvious from the virulent anti-Pak commentary that comes from several Indians on this forum, the visceral hatred of Pakistan appears to be part of the DNA of a significant segment of Indian population.

As for Vajpayee going to Lahore, it's ridiculous to offer that as proof of good intentions. BJP's threatening behavior toward Pakistan that brought the two nations close to war in 2002 and the Gujarat riots in which BJP supporters killed thousands of Muslims happened soon after the Vajpayee visit. I put the Hindu Taliban (the Sangh Parivar that enforces Hindutva in India) in India in the same category as the Muslim Taliban in Pakistan.

Pakistan can not afford to ignore clear and present danger from both Hindu and Muslim fundamentalists.

Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Re: # 261 bhai sahib, aap itna kyon vichaar kar rahein hain.

hindi mein ek kahavat hain...na ghat ka na paani ka.....

bus aisee hi stithi hain in sab ka

Re: # 261 pmishra

that's exactly what that article in dailytimes pointed out... it's a pakilogical, I mean pathological disorder that seems to be affecting pakis across board...

It's the mindset shaped by decades of bigo0try and paranoia... right from the text books - like Jayp says - K for Kafir education... LOL

The delusional mindset of Riaz stands exposed with his frank response (I do appreciate that!). BJP is a threat to pakistan (remember Vajpayees trip to Lahore), indians anger and fury after 200 killed by pakistani terrorists means that indians are always about to attack, RAW is causing terrorism in pakistan etc.

What can one say? Is this mental illness? Some extreme form of paranioa? Or this is some kind of cultural disease? Maybe a product of twenty years of india-hatred in curriculum and culture that deepens with Zia but began even earlier.

I dont know the answer, but it definitely deserves careful study. I do know that he needs help.

Re: # 258 Riaz haq
[... BJP and the Sangh Parivar, who are at least as big a threat to Pakistan's existence as the Al Qaeda and the Taliban....]

I guess we have real competition for Captain Clueless Romair in utter stupidity.... Welcome Aboard Mr Haq... LOL

Riaz Haq, your mainstream parties are in favour of Islam being the state religion, which makes them religious right wing too.

Re: # 255

pmishra: You quote "The India-centric focus of much of society and the military is, arguably, responsible for much of Pakistan’s deficiencies as a state, a nation, and a society."

In my view, Pakistan faces two existential threats, not one. Clearly, the Al Qaeda and Taliban threat is in the news right now much more than the Indian threat.

Any nation that has faced Indian intelligence's covert war followed by an outright invasion to divide it can not be told to ignore that threat. The kind of rhetoric that emanated from India post-Mumbai can not be ignored either, particularly when both nations have a nuclear standoff, the kind of stand off the Americans had with the Soviets. In fact, the situation is much worse than US-Soviet standoff because there is no geographic separation.

The kind of commentators and policy-makers that call for Pakistan to ignore the Indian threat are essentially armchair types who have no real appreciation for the reality on the ground. As obvious from the virulent anti-Pak commentary that comes from several Indians on this forum, the visceral hatred of Pakistan appears to part of the DNA of a significant segment of Indian population.

While Pakistan's religious right wing has very little support as demonstrated by repeated, including recent election results , Indians do vote in large numbers for parties like the BJP and the Sangh Parivar, who are at least as big a threat to Pakistan's existence as the Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Riaz Haq, this is probably before your time on chowk, but Pervez Hoodbhoy's articles have been published on chowk, and having heard from him, let me say he also does the same/same thing.
There is no comparing him with Arundhati, she has venom for India.

Re: # 248
harish: "She is alive and well. Now can you think up of an instance where a Paki has done the same and remained alive to tell his tale?"

Again, you continue to show your ignorance (real or intentional) about Pakistan. Pakistan has more than its fair share of Cassandras..your cohort quoted Irfan Husain, but have you heard or read about Pervez Hoodbhoy? He is highly critical of Pak govt, army and ISI, and he is not only alive and well, he actually works as a head of Physics dept at Islamabad University, and paid by the govt.

You turn on any Pak channel and any talk show and you'll see someone breathlessly criticizing the Pak govt.

On a per capita basis, Pakistan has many more Cassandras than India, notwithstanding your claims about India's press freedoms. The difference is that India's chauvinistic media prefers to criticize Pakistan and promote India's repressive policies and human rights abuses in places like Kashmir. The middle class Indian media is just like it's middle class people, endlessly singing the praises of "Shining India" while ignoring the horrible plight of the other half of India that constitutes the world's largest share population of the poor and hungry, living in conditions worst than sub-Saharan Africa.
Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

Nice article by US commentator in the excellent pakistani daily times. One paragragh stands out for me, it speaks to the mental confusion of people like Riaz Haq:

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There is one piece missing, and that involves the Pakistani mindset toward India. There are a number of analysts (include me on that list) who believe that until the India-centricity of Pakistani foreign and security policy is substantially modified, the country will find it very difficult to adjust its sights to the real danger the state of Pakistan faces from the West. This adjustment not only involves the army, though it is a critical actor in this drama, but the whole of civil society itself.

The India-centric focus of much of society and the military is, arguably, responsible for much of Pakistan’s deficiencies as a state, a nation, and a society. That is a subject that I may take up in some future column. This one is about President Obama’s strategy to help Pakistan overcome the existential challenge it faces.
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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200941\story _1-4-2009_pg3_2