Common Pakistanis US Foreign Policy

sala theek bolta yeh gaana


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MVBflxV_JM

arjun tu kiya kar raha hain. leave riaz alone. he is Fleid Marshall Pak-fauj-e-azaam Romair ka naya avatar hain

bhayya
Riaz ko leave kar.

Poor Riaz Haq..trying to spin pakiland's popularity into props for pakiland's "press freedom"..
unfortunately for him. the facts trip him up

RSF index on press freedom...

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=24025

#247 Posted by RiazHaq on March 31, 2009 10:48:40 pm

nice try but no cigar...I see you're trying to run away from the facts again...

India is ranked much higher in press freedom than pakiland...so, sorry,....no props for you there..the facts are an inconvenient thing...

Whether irfan hussein says it or mr madani sys it, the facts are the facts....not a matter of opinion..

and the facts are these


The recent BBC/Gallup survey placing Pakistan among the bottom five of the most popular countries in the world should put things in perspective. Of the 13,500 people polled in 21 countries, only 20 per cent had a favourable view of our country. In the rankings, we were only one place above Afghanistan. India, on the other hand, was favourably viewed by 64 per cent of those surveyed.

jeehaaan, naya khlanayak aaya.

riaz romair hain. (T)

#247..Pankaj Mishra is well known to be as obsessed with Kashmir as Pakistanis, so it's not surprising you like him!
Arundhati tore up her passport in public, who has ever done that in Pakistan?
What you and others miss is that these writers and many others write and think as world citizens, not as Indians at all, so they do not claim to be patriotic. They see themselves as being above borders. It sounds wonderful, but it's playing cricket when the rest of the world is playing hockey with you.
Even a relatively unknown writer like Farzana Versey has written many things that people would see as anti-national, but she has been able to write it and has never been physically attacked.

#247 by RiazHaq

Pakistani media and commentators are far more critical of their own country than the Indian media could ever be of India or Pakistan.

Oh really? Is that why when the Newsline guy published a story on Dawood Ibrahim's whereabouts in Pakistan, he was kidnapped, kicked, punched and brutally abused before being "dropped back" home? Is that why Shaheen Sehbai, due to death threats, prefers to live abroad? Is that why Najam Sethi was abducted by NS and kept incarcerated for three full days?

But I can also cite at least a few introspective Indian writers such Arundhati Roy, Pankaj Mishra, Yoginder Sikand, Deepak Chopra and others who expose the truth about "India Shining" much better than I can.

Oh, thank God you know a few Indian writers who've gained your approval. Now do you also know that Arundhati Roy addressed a gathering of separatists in the heart of Srinagar where she openly advocated freedom for the Kashmiris? She is alive and well. Now can you think up of an instance where a Paki has done the same and remained alive to tell his tale?

Re: # 243

Arjun,

Irfan Husain is being critical of his own nation...we are used to that. Pakistani media and commentators are far more critical of their own country than the Indian media could ever be of India or Pakistan.

But I can also cite at least a few introspective Indian writers such Arundhati Roy, Pankaj Mishra, Yoginder Sikand, Deepak Chopra and others who expose the truth about "India Shining" much better than I can. While I do disagree with but not dismiss Irfan Husain, I find that Indian Hindu chauvinists like you have no tolerance for liberal Indian writers whom I have cited.

I think the spiteful bigots like you need to learn to honestly look at yourself in the mirror before criticizing others. It'll do you a lot of good. You might even hope to be re-incarnated some day as a decent human being.


Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide

#245 Posted by harish_hyd on March 31, 2009 10:08:07 pm

what prophet tahmed(peace be unto his self-righteous rear) doesn't understand is that indians wishing for something doesn't make it happen...OTOH, paki actions in supporting jihadis even NOW are sure to push pakiland deeper into a civil war...

#216 by tahmed32

as for harish_hyd and the other indians looking forward to the destruction of pakistan - they will inshallah live out their lives like their previous generation did seeing their spiteful wishes for pakistan go unfullfilled.

Saying that you are an idiot does not mean I wish for the destruction of Pakistan. Maybe I should have said that directly instead of in a roundabout way and confusing the heck out of you.

#216 by tahmed32

as for harish_hyd and the other indians looking forward to the destruction of pakistan - they will inshallah live out their lives like their previous generation did seeing their spiteful wishes for pakistan go unfullfilled.

Saying that you are an idiot does not mean I wish for the destruction of Pakistan. Maybe I should have said that directly instead of in a roundabout way and confusing the heck out of you.

From dawn...for deluded pakis(yup...riaz haq..that means you)...

‘He who pays the piper calls the tune'
By Irfan Husain
Wednesday, 01 Apr, 2009 | 06:28 AM PST

Most foreigners cannot grasp our army’s preoccupation with India. For them, our neighbour is a large, powerful state that is playing an increasingly global role. By comparison, Pakistan is seen as an insignificant and troublesome player. The recent BBC/Gallup survey placing Pakistan among the bottom five of the most popular countries in the world should put things in perspective. Of the 13,500 people polled in 21 countries, only 20 per cent had a favourable view of our country. In the rankings, we were only one place above Afghanistan. India, on the other hand, was favourably viewed by 64 per cent of those surveyed.While such views are painful, they should shake us out of our state of denial. Instead of analysing why the world perceives us as it does, and trying to change this view, we seem determined to stick our collective head firmly in the sand. Indeed, these opinions only serve to strengthen our paranoia, and confirm that the whole world is against us. Most of the talking heads on our many TV channels attribute our negative image to ‘Indian propaganda’, and gloss over the frightful state of our nation.


In the ongoing civil war – and make no mistake, this is what it is – far too many powerful opinion-makers continue to sit on the fence. Some even indirectly support the enemy by dividing public opinion. While we should be forging a consensus, many politicians and journalists continue to question the fact that we are fighting the Taliban at all. By labelling the conflict as ‘America’s war’, they are diverting attention from the fact that it is Pakistan that is first at risk should the Taliban prevail.


Outsiders cannot comprehend this duplicity. In many countries, ‘aiding and abetting the enemy’ is a crime. Surely every patriotic Pakistani should condemn the various attacks that are taking place around us almost every day. After all, the victims are Pakistanis, not Americans. When drone attacks kill (mostly foreign) militants in their hideouts in the tribal areas, there is an orgy of denunciation. But when the Taliban (or their various partners in crime) slaughter our people, there is little condemnation. For instance, when over 70 people were killed in a suicide attack at a mosque last week, I heard very few politicians fulminating against those behind the attack.

pakis....can you hear me now?

US reserves ‘right of last resort’ in Pakistan

* CENTCOM chief says US prefers to enable Pakistan Army to hit terrorists
* US focusing on rooting out ties between ISI and Taliban

Daily Times Monitor

WASHINGTON: General David Petraeus, the head of the US Army’s Central Command, said on Monday his country reserved right of last resort for attacks inside Pakistan.

Speaking to the FOX News in the context of the Obama administration’s preparations for stepping up the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban, the general added however that the US government would prefer to enable the Pakistani military to do the job itself.

Asked about concerns in the US that Pakistan is not fully on board, Petraeus said the US was bringing “additional focus� on rooting out ties between the ISI and the Taliban.

He said trust between the two countries would be key. “I think we are building that kind of trust. And that’s the way I think is the best description for that. And it’s hugely important that that trust be built.�

Petraeus indicated “gradually increasing intelligence sharing� among Afghan, Pakistani and US forces along the border.

About frustration in Pakistan over drone strikes to take out terrorist targets, he said the US was mindful of perceptions. “It’s hugely important that we be seen as good neighbours, as friends, certainly fierce warriors who will go after the enemy and stay after them – but also as individuals who try to avoid civilian casualties whenever possible and are seen again as supporting the people and trying to help them achieve a better life.�

#194 Posted by RiazHaq on March 30, 2009 9:48:22 pm


(as proved by Satyam scandal)


Proved to whom? pakis?

the rest of the world doesn't see it that way...pakis, of course, have a problem with reality...

no wonder people think the KSE is booming although it had to be kept effectively shut for 3 months...

#232 Posted by rf786 on March 31, 2009 11:52:08 am

why is india screwed if pakiland is imploding? because you say so? repeatedly?

Re: # 230

SPY: "Why would the Talibans kill other Pakistanis when they are actually opposed to America. If you have a problem with another person, you dont start beating your wife for it."

Good question. My assessment is that "the Taliban" is not one organized monolith with a clear set of unified goals and single chain of command. There are many disparate groups operating under the label of "the Taliban". Some of these groups believe "the wife" is flirting with the enemy and so, they beat their "wife". My guess is that some of these groups have probably also been infiltrated by foreign intelligence agencies like RAW and Khad etc that want to wage covert war in Pakistan to destabilize it.

SPY: "How can the Talibans grow in strength if they are actually opposed by the common folks."

They have some ideological support from the right wing parties in Pakistan who manage to persuade other Pakistanis that these guys are fighting the infidels and therefore must be supported. But such people are definitely a small minority as was amply proved in the last elections.

SPY: "Why does Pakistan govt. accept American aid if the common folks are so much anti-america."

Not everything that democratic governments do is representative of the wishes of the people. Case in point: Britain's support of US Iraq war in spite of massive opposition in Britain.

SPY: "What is that strong glue that binds strongly both America and Pakistan even when they are hurting each other, but still not willing to let go their embrace."

There are many examples of love-hate relationships in the world. Such relationships are forced by circumstances.



Riaz Haq, PakAlumni Worldwide