Common Pakistanis US Foreign Policy

Re: # 210

It is good to see you interacting with postings un-like many writers at Chowk.

Re: # 12

Well said but who will explain the meaning of it to these IIT grads? they only understand zeros and ones

Looks like this Riaz Haq dude is another Romair in the making...

Re: # 232 rf
[...Pakistan is burning India is also going to lose...]

Nah, india should be fine... At worst - there will be some short term refugee problems for india...With due respect, Arif, I am surprised to see you buying this line of stupid arguement...

The "collapse" of pakiland basically means dissolution of its army establishment... that outcome would actually remove most of problems in the region... the taliban/jihad "menace" would die an automatic death - taliban is nothing but a fully sponsored extension of paki army estabilshement....

On contrary - a stable pakiland has never worked to india's favor, ever... a "stable" pakiland a fueled militancy, jihad inside india... if pakiland comes back to be "stable" - it will try do the same thing again against india...

Pakiland must "collapse" for the region to see peace... there is no other way... Of course, the collapse has to be managed a bit - US is there for that...

Re: # 232 rf, I wish people of your tribe grow further on both sides.

rf bhai, as I said noble sentiments indeed....but reality is very different. 60 years is three generations of diffrent outlooks for the two people. there is no same same....there is a reason why drones fly overhead and drop bombs, why ingrate paki gov't take $10B in baksheesh for fighting terror and don;t do didly squat, why paki terrorists conduct mock reenactments of terrorist operations to throngs of supporters from the awam, why kids in thousands march screaming "death to joos" with fake blood on their heads and toy bazookas, why teh bus driver who drives the sri lankans out of danger...remembers his brother the terrorist who died at the hands of Indian armed forces and was with LeT or JeM eviscerating babies and killing innocents, why instead of fighting terrorists, the people give away land to the taliban, why they stay in silence when ISI through paki consulate gives money to taliban for throwing acid on the faces of little girls in afghanistan.....and on and on......the people are very very different.

Re: # 224

Alpha

Wise people claim alpha is a zero sum game and more importantly unsustainable, if Pakistan is burning India is also going to lose, the only way these two win is through mutual respect and appreciation of our problems.

As for the argument that people of Pakistan support terrorist actions is a incorrect assumption, people of Pakistan may be driven by the empty rhetoric of their leaders but at the end of the day would like to have cordial relations with their neighbors. Lets not forget, the same people have shared land for centuries, why should it be any different today, I trust the people on both sides of the border, they will make the right choice in the end.

Nobody has to wish for disintegration of Pakistan. It will happen. All marks to MAJ for concocting the idea of Pakistan and managing to push it down the throats of the parting British, who in any case would have cared two hoots for the country after they had left. Creating an artificial country without any worthwhile history was one thing but building it into a nation state was something else. MAJ's failure lies in his inability to forsee the total absence of leadership in the country who could measure up the task of nation building which is serious business indeed. While India had the benefit of Nehru and Patel besides other stalwarts who went about integrating and building the new India, it was Pakistan's lot to be ruled by short sighted and pompous generals, bureaucrats and selfish politicians who went about destroying the country.

Re: # 207 Riaz, I agree to most of your statements in isolation. But still not clear when mixed together.

- Why would the Talibans kill other Pakistanis when they are actually opposed to America. If you have a problem with another person, you dont start beating your wife for it.
- How can the Talibans grow in strength if they are actually opposed by the common folks.
- Why does Pakistan govt. accept American aid if the common folks are so much anti-america.
- What is that strong glue that binds strongly both America and Pakistan even when they are hurting each other, but still not willing to let go their embrace.

I believe these need to be handled in isolation, otherwise it will be an endless game, till one of the parties is fully eliminated.

Also, let me go on record to say if Mr Haq was from China; I would be the first one to say "youre absolutely right; you guys have left us in the dust"!

Re: # 219 Tahmad,

I have not come across any confrontationist ideas so far to my interactions. I have neither backed out nor had a change of my heart because of these interactions. At times they are different from my thoughts but I still respect them and believe them, and do not mean to spite them.

tahmed,

{{Why dont Pakistanis spend their time finding flaws in India the way Indians posters do??? rest assured it is not because India is "shining" and perfect!!}}

Whoah...where were you when Haq was giving an editorial about India's poverty & disenfranchised people?!!

Who the heck said that India was perfect? I said compared to many things about Pakistan, India is much better.

Besides, its fun to puncture Haq's pride:)

If Heaven is going to be populated by all those mullahs & Urstruly-types; Hell seems like a damn fine place to spend an eternity in. I'm sure you will agree that Jinnah would happily go to Hell, if he found that the jihadis go to Heaven.

Re: # 218

LOL.....Mishra, You have hit the nail on its head.

Your analogy describes the situation aptly except for the attack on neighbour's "guests" part. I think we have still not stooped to that levels.

Majumdar do not associate the thug Manto with the lawyer's movement. He represents all that is corrupt in Pakistan, and the movement from which he wants to steal the limelight is all that is good in Pakistan

TNITC masadi

rf bhai, sentiments are all good. but the problem is that terrorism is mainly one sided. you can't cry same same if LeT (aided and abetted byt he paki people, army, intelligence, gov't) kills people in Pakistan and also kills people in Mumbai.

Re: # 218

pmishra2

Loss of IPL to South Africa should be an eye opener to all Indians, I have always argued for cooperation between the two neighbors for both share the same neighborhood, watching the neighbor burn himself is not a good strategy for the same fire can easily move into your house. This terrorism is a common enemy, lets not forget the main problem.